EPTMLG SC2 Rules Discussion Thread - Page 10
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:19 Chairman Ray wrote: Everything sounds good except for the race switching. I think that would make for much worse gameplay. it's good for players like TLO that can main 2 races but it leads to inconsistency from players. I tend to cheer for players that play a certain race very well more than I would someone that just randoms and isn't the absolute best at all 3. | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:56 yoshi_yoshi wrote: It could suck for those already registered if you expand the player pool though, since they had paid their money with the expectation of a weaker player pool. If anyone registered for this event just to win money against a weak player pool they deserve to get wrecked by a stronger player pool, IMO. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:44 PokePill wrote: You know what would be a really cool qualification scheme. The 32 people who pay the highest entry fee. The prize pool could reach exorbitant amounts and entire organizations would be backing players to make a huge pay day. Maybe a few rich people would show up for kicks. Awesome? Is there a reason this is in response to my post? Because I'm not sure if you're trying to point out a flaw in the idea of a Courage-based qualification scheme, or just making a joke. | ||
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zFugitivE
United States58 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:17 Backpack wrote: Well they should expand for the next event. I just don't like the idea of changing the rules after they've been announced. I made sure I was home by 6:30 so there was no way i was gonna miss my ticket. I'm not going to argue about my opinion any more, i'm gonna play no matter what. edit: people are still quoting my first post -_- im fine with pros playing, i just don't like rule changes after they've been announced. that's all there is to it MLG made it pretty clear BEFORE passes went on sale, that if 32 were to sell out fast enough, proper procedures would take place to assure that more people can get in...not necessarily in those exact words, but close enough. Your acting as if they JUST decided to make it larger, when in fact it was stated publicly 2-3 days ago. Also, when your dealing with an MLG caliber event, the top finishers should be the best guys in the game, not an above average guy who played a bunch of average competitors. I'm assuming at least some pros got in, so I'm sure it won't be some random person who actually wins it. But the top guys who practice all day that wanted to compete, should not be forced to sit-out because he wasn't able to hit "submit" faster than 32 people. | ||
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rockon1215
United States612 Posts
USB headsets are EXTREMELY common and are banned The Logitech Mini Optical is not a USB mouse and is thus banned. In addition to this, at the highest level, mouse precision is very important and having a player switch mice at the last minute could hurt the performance. Hell, Flash measures the fucking distance of his mice and keyboard with a ruler. He would probably have a seizure if he tried to play in a match where his mouse and keyboard are banned. Some sponsors will not be allowed to sponsor? I can see this being a large problem. Default settings only? But EVERYONE plays on different settings. Some like it on ultra, some like it on the lowest possible. More of an annoyance than anything. I can understand standardizing screen resolution as widescreen monitors will display more of the map, but if a player prefers one aspect ratio over the other, why not let them have it? | ||
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MICHELLE
Korea (South)199 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:22 Baarn wrote: it's good for players like TLO that can main 2 races but it leads to inconsistency from players. I tend to cheer for players that play a certain race very well more than I would someone that just randoms and isn't the absolute best at all 3. I doubt someone from those 32 fastest buyer can main 2 races like TLO, so it shouldn't be a problem. Oh wait, I'm actually worried that some of them may not even be able to main 1 race... We will see. | ||
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Streltsy
Canada98 Posts
8. All User Interface setups will be confined to the Blizzard default options. You should really allow custom hotkey setups, most of them can be edited directly through the official interface and the rest are easily modifiable. It probably isn't a problem for most players but I don't like the precedent it sets for tournaments - forcing players into inefficient set-ups because it's slightly more convenient. 1. The latest official Patch version will be used throughout the Event. It would be better to use the same patch throughout the entirety of an event since changes to game will effect the players strategies/play-styles without them really having any time to adapt. And it will cause a lot of drama if the changes are large enough. I'm not sure how this is really possible to do though. 8. Referees will conduct a Blind Pick of Races for Game 1 of a Match. Races should be picked and announced to everyone prior to the matches. Preparing for a specific match-up on a specific set of maps is a big part of SC. Keeping players in the dark will dilute the focus of their practice, and we'll end up with less refined and less interesting strategies. On the same note, players should not be allowed to pick Random as a race. It not good for the spectators or the players, really bad rule - what's the reasoning behind it? 9. The loser of a Game may select a different Race for the next Game I don't think this is right, players should only be allowed the play the race they have chosen for the entire match. Same reason as above. 14. If a Player loses their connection to the Host during a Game, the Game must be replayed. Wouldn't this be a huge problem in online qualifiers, or even normal qualifiers because of disconnectors? The shadow of the doubt always rests on the disconnectors and I thought the standard protocol was: If the disconnector was only slightly ahead/even/behind at the time of the disconnect, he/she loses that game. If the disconnector was clearly ahead at the time of the disconnect then the game must be replayed. If the disconnector was on the in a virtually undefeatable position at the time of the disconnect, he/she is granted the win. Of course this way is more troublesome since it requires referees who are good enough at the game to know when someone is roughly ahead or behind and may even require someone really good in the last scenario but it seems the most fair way of dealing with things. 16. If all Minerals on the Map have been consumed and no Units or Structures have been killed for 5 minutes, the Game will be replayed. Good rule, but should be not a strict 5min but rather that the after 5min of inactivity and no resources the game may be called as a draw by the ref. Rule Suggestion: You should make rules regarding chat during the game. Other stuff all sounds goods, I've enjoyed all the content MLG and JP have put out and been involved in with SC2 so good luck! | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:28 rockon1215 wrote: USB headsets are EXTREMELY common and are banned The Logitech Mini Optical is not a USB mouse and is thus banned. As has been stated before, both of these cause a logistics nightmare. In particular, a scenario was cited where hardware failures occurred at a WoW event due to poor management of PS/2 hardware. It's not like these 2 rules are arbitrary--they've likely come about due to managing events for other PC games. On August 04 2010 09:28 rockon1215 wrote: Some sponsors will not be allowed to sponsor? I can see this being a large problem. They're allowed to sponsor, just certain restrictions are there for what can go on apparel (I'm assuming this is a case-by-case basis thing). Like the above, I assume this comes out of experience with other events | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:27 0neder wrote: This is e-sports. Players' job is to entertain. Desert Oasis is perhaps the most entertaining map in the map pool. Think about the word "e-sports". Electronic Sports. The players' job is to win. Just because no one is at your soccer game doesn't mean you don't play it. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:28 zFugitivE wrote: MLG made it pretty clear BEFORE passes went on sale, that if 32 were to sell out fast enough, proper procedures would take place to assure that more people can get in...not necessarily in those exact words, but close enough. Your acting as if they JUST decided to make it larger, when in fact it was stated publicly 2-3 days ago. Also, when your dealing with an MLG caliber event, the top finishers should be the best guys in the game, not an above average guy who played a bunch of average competitors. I'm assuming at least some pros got in, so I'm sure it won't be some random person who actually wins it. But the top guys who practice all day that wanted to compete, should not be forced to sit-out because he wasn't able to hit "submit" faster than 32 people. I know i said I wasn't going to argue this any further, but if they didn't want it to be open registration they would have made it invite only. Also, can you link me to where they announced that they would make this specific event larger? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:37 TheYango wrote: As has been stated before, both of these cause a logistics nightmare. In particular, a scenario was cited where hardware failures occurred at a WoW event due to poor management of PS/2 hardware. It's not like these 2 rules are arbitrary--they've likely come about due to managing events for other PC games. There's plenty of other events that allow PS/2 equipment. Do you really think the hardware failure occurred because a single player plugged in their PS/2 equipment too much? It occurred because the rigs were made by Hewlett Packard. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:41 Backpack wrote: I know i said I wasn't going to argue this any further, but if they didn't want it to be open registration they would have made it invite only. Also, can you link me to where they announced that they would make this specific event larger? http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7324077&postcount=14 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139998¤tpage=3#49 | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:42 Jibba wrote: There's plenty of other events that allow PS/2 equipment. Do you really think the hardware failure occurred because a single player plugged in their PS/2 equipment too much? It occurred because the rigs were made by Hewlett Packard. HP doesn't manufacture cases, motherboards, ps2 connectors, keyboards . . . I could go on | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:49 theqat wrote: No, but they choose the parts that are used and often modify them to custom standards. It's hardly a coincidence that HP continually ranks poorly in hardware failure rate.HP doesn't manufacture cases, motherboards, ps2 connectors, keyboards . . . I could go on I can cite literally hundreds, maybe even thousands, of other competitive PC gaming tournaments in the past that have allowed PS/2 connections, especially for keyboards. MLG was just using bad computers in the WoW tournaments. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11556 Posts
A faulty i/o Shield/Case could cause a short, though it is a bit rare. though PS/2 isn't exactly the most useful port since most gamers can either add an adapter to USB or just play with USB equipment (which most do anyways) | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:49 theqat wrote: HP doesn't manufacture cases, motherboards, ps2 connectors, keyboards . . . I could go on It's all OEM. Just like those name brand PSU, keyboards, mice etc you buy from a store. You don't know what plant manufactured it but they offer a warranty they cover if you have problem. At a tournament if you have problem with hardware you may not be able to repair on the spot in a reasonable amount of time. You just need a spare computer to replace it or use another station which just inconveniences everyone and causes delays. | ||
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chekthehek
United States279 Posts
Blistering Sands Delta Quadrant Desert Oasis Kulas Ravine Lost Temple Metalopolis Steppes of War lol | ||
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
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