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eNyoron
Profile Joined September 2009
United States170 Posts
August 01 2010 17:38 GMT
#101
Anybody wondering why he's still in platinum after 40 wins and 0 losses:

The league placement algorithm blizzard uses takes into account the strength of your in game play to rank you. I'm not sure of the specifics, but it's probably based on overall game score, apm, build order, ability to keep your money low, constant production of units/building, etc. This is why it's possible to move up in a league after a loss, and it may be tied to your "hidden ranking" blizz uses to determine which side is favored. Now this ownage guy doesn't have any of this - from what it looks like the blizz algorithm will just consider all his wins "flukes" until he actually beats somebody with solid play.

0sm9sm8sm... the beginning of the end.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
August 01 2010 17:44 GMT
#102
I've already lost to a silver league player thanks to a disconnect(this was an internet problem though) in my placement matches, if I lose to a hacker and get placed lower than I deserve I will be pissed off
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
August 01 2010 17:45 GMT
#103
thats one way to get solo zen master
fuck lag
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 17:46:34
August 01 2010 17:46 GMT
#104
--- Nuked ---
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
August 01 2010 17:46 GMT
#105
On August 02 2010 02:38 eNyoron wrote:
Anybody wondering why he's still in platinum after 40 wins and 0 losses:

The league placement algorithm blizzard uses takes into account the strength of your in game play to rank you. I'm not sure of the specifics, but it's probably based on overall game score, apm, build order, ability to keep your money low, constant production of units/building, etc. This is why it's possible to move up in a league after a loss, and it may be tied to your "hidden ranking" blizz uses to determine which side is favored. Now this ownage guy doesn't have any of this - from what it looks like the blizz algorithm will just consider all his wins "flukes" until he actually beats somebody with solid play.



can anyone confirm this? I thought it only takes into account the rank of your opponent.
Liquid FIGHTING!!!
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 17:49:09
August 01 2010 17:48 GMT
#106
On August 02 2010 02:38 eNyoron wrote:
Anybody wondering why he's still in platinum after 40 wins and 0 losses:

The league placement algorithm blizzard uses takes into account the strength of your in game play to rank you. I'm not sure of the specifics, but it's probably based on overall game score, apm, build order, ability to keep your money low, constant production of units/building, etc. This is why it's possible to move up in a league after a loss, and it may be tied to your "hidden ranking" blizz uses to determine which side is favored. Now this ownage guy doesn't have any of this - from what it looks like the blizz algorithm will just consider all his wins "flukes" until he actually beats somebody with solid play.



My bet is that there's a set time before they re-assess someone. You get promoted fast after not playing for a day or so.

Highly doubt it's as complicated as you suggest.
Dman
Profile Joined June 2010
United States53 Posts
August 01 2010 17:50 GMT
#107
On August 02 2010 02:46 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 02:38 eNyoron wrote:
Anybody wondering why he's still in platinum after 40 wins and 0 losses:

The league placement algorithm blizzard uses takes into account the strength of your in game play to rank you. I'm not sure of the specifics, but it's probably based on overall game score, apm, build order, ability to keep your money low, constant production of units/building, etc. This is why it's possible to move up in a league after a loss, and it may be tied to your "hidden ranking" blizz uses to determine which side is favored. Now this ownage guy doesn't have any of this - from what it looks like the blizz algorithm will just consider all his wins "flukes" until he actually beats somebody with solid play.


No, it's much simplier. You just need to lose some games to get up. Proven by the fact that a lot of top players are in plat atm with 1-3 loses (Morrow, Dimaga, etc)


this ^^

Until you win ~50%-75% of your games, your league won't change
Rokit5
Profile Joined April 2010
236 Posts
August 01 2010 17:50 GMT
#108
i really hope blizzard will eradicate hacks in sc2. BW battlenet and wc3 were both filled with hackers. There nothin worse than playing a hacking noob, especially if you know he is hacking
esaul17
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada547 Posts
August 01 2010 17:53 GMT
#109
Does anyone know why they only promote you if you lose some matches?
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
August 01 2010 18:06 GMT
#110
On August 02 2010 02:53 esaul17 wrote:
Does anyone know why they only promote you if you lose some matches?


Because after you start losing the system is "sure" you've reached your true skill level. If you don't lose at all it will put you against better and better opponents until it's sure of your skill level.
Of course, it may have some bugs/quirks that could lead to strange behavior.
I'll call Nada.
me_viet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1350 Posts
August 01 2010 18:08 GMT
#111
On August 02 2010 03:06 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 02:53 esaul17 wrote:
Does anyone know why they only promote you if you lose some matches?


Because after you start losing the system is "sure" you've reached your true skill level. If you don't lose at all it will put you against better and better opponents until it's sure of your skill level.
Of course, it may have some bugs/quirks that could lead to strange behavior.


OR it could be an anti-hack 'measure' to prevent hackers like these from getting the satisfaction of being Diamond #1 =P
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 18:14:43
August 01 2010 18:14 GMT
#112
On August 02 2010 03:06 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 02:53 esaul17 wrote:
Does anyone know why they only promote you if you lose some matches?


Because after you start losing the system is "sure" you've reached your true skill level. If you don't lose at all it will put you against better and better opponents until it's sure of your skill level.
Of course, it may have some bugs/quirks that could lead to strange behavior.


So if you happens to be the best player the world have ever seen and never lose you'll never be promoted? Best Platinum player ever!
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
August 01 2010 18:14 GMT
#113
On August 02 2010 02:38 eNyoron wrote:
Anybody wondering why he's still in platinum after 40 wins and 0 losses:

The league placement algorithm blizzard uses takes into account the strength of your in game play to rank you. I'm not sure of the specifics, but it's probably based on overall game score, apm, build order, ability to keep your money low, constant production of units/building, etc. This is why it's possible to move up in a league after a loss, and it may be tied to your "hidden ranking" blizz uses to determine which side is favored. Now this ownage guy doesn't have any of this - from what it looks like the blizz algorithm will just consider all his wins "flukes" until he actually beats somebody with solid play.



I doubt it's that complex.

The algorithm probably takes into account the following:

i) Rating
ii) Number of games played
iii) Win percentage

e.g. Player A has played 100 games with 50 wins 50 losses (50% win percentage)

3 possible match ups:

1) Player B, 50 games with 30 wins 20 losses (60% win percentage)
Player A has played more games but player B has a higher win percentage so it is balanced.

2) Player C has played 200 games with 80 wins 120 losses (40% win percentage).
Player A has played fewer games but player C has a lower win percentage so it is balanced.

3) Player D has played 100 games with 50 wins 50 losses (50% win percentage)
Player A = player D so it is perfectly balanced.

With this theory, "Ownage" is probably dischacking top players only.
shalamadoooo
Profile Joined July 2010
78 Posts
August 01 2010 18:15 GMT
#114
that sucks, sounds like blizzard will have to actually prevent and solve the exploit. The irc chat was pretty lame even by troll standards, the guy is enjoying the thought that other people *might* get mad but has no way to even confirm it (the game ends so suddenly). Fail troll.
Windmonk
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada93 Posts
August 01 2010 18:17 GMT
#115
If you get disc hacked by him, let us know how good your stats are.
~Watch and Learn~
Necrosjef
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom530 Posts
August 01 2010 18:23 GMT
#116
Sad to see this kinda thing happening so early into release.

Only Blizzard to blame though, if they spent more time making battlenet 2.0 better and less time integrating it with facebook we wouldn't be in this situation.
Europe Server Diamond Player: ID=Necrosjef Code=957
Aberu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States968 Posts
August 01 2010 18:24 GMT
#117
On August 01 2010 23:07 Kiva128 wrote:
Maybe Blizz should have spent less time on Facebook friends feature and more time on fighting B.net hacks. I'm sure it's not easy and requires a lot of time and work but...The game wasn't even out of beta and people had hacks. :/


I'm sure the people who fix bugs/exploits are the same exact people that implement facebook api (which takes a VERY short amount of time to do). I'm sure.
srsly
XiaN
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany162 Posts
August 01 2010 18:24 GMT
#118
On August 02 2010 03:17 Windmonk wrote:
If you get disc hacked by him, let us know how good your stats are.


On August 02 2010 01:21 Liquid`TLO wrote:
happened to me 3 times now... this guy is QQ


I think that answers your question
< (。◕‿‿◕。) > | Former technical admin of ROOT-Gaming (root-gaming.com)
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 18:26:42
August 01 2010 18:25 GMT
#119
On August 02 2010 03:23 Necrosjef wrote:
Sad to see this kinda thing happening so early into release.

Only Blizzard to blame though, if they spent more time making battlenet 2.0 better and less time integrating it with facebook we wouldn't be in this situation.

Yea because they could have protected it from everything if they wanted to. T_T

They can't fix things they don't know about, so i'm sure this will be patched soon enough.


edit: hating on blizzard isn't "cool" anymore, its all about terran now
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
jcxwins
Profile Joined July 2010
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 18:32:18
August 01 2010 18:31 GMT
#120
ive personally played against ownage and beat him? lol
edit he played protoss against me and he lost.
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