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Renaissance
Canada273 Posts
I'm pretty sure if SC2 hits big in the competitive scene, the best players will barely make as much money as the average poker professional. I understand that not everyone is driven by money, but logically speaking, is it worth the time and effort to become good at SC2? There are a lot of "rich" poker players here on TL so this just got me curious. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Renaissance
Canada273 Posts
On July 29 2010 12:35 Fayth wrote: Most of us used to play broodwar competitively a lot, cuz we liked it a lot, kiwikaki was WC3, either way we all have a similar backround, we do it for the fun of it, we can still play poker while playing sc2 you know Won't it be hard to do both | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
personally the thing that drives me most to play sc is the challenge and to improve. expand ur brain in strategy  if u want money then get a job l<o<l | ||
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professorben
United States15 Posts
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MiniTsunami
United States274 Posts
SC2 is a great game to play during my off time, and given that I have plenty of money invested from poker (enough that I make what most people make in a week without doing much of anything), I am happy to live off the interest and play SC2 which is purely fun for me. I don't know if I will continue playing SC2 for a long period of time, but right now it is a great change of pace and I'm having a lot of fun playing it. Also, I am the type of person who enjoys learning new things, and in SC2 there are a lot of new things for me to try and learn, so that makes it all the more enjoyable for me at the present time. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On July 29 2010 12:41 MorroW wrote: but to become a pro at poker dont u need a big cash roll that u can waste on better players to learn the game vs the good ones there and then climb up? personally the thing that drives me most to play sc is the challenge and to improve. expand ur brain in strategy if u want money then get a job l<o<lyou need anything between 10 and 50 bucks to start a roll and never look back and make bazillions no need for a big cash roll, or else I would never have gotten into it | ||
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mcneebs
Canada391 Posts
You're kidding yourself though if you think you're going to make anywhere near as much money playing SC2 than you would working or playing cards. The best players will NOT be making as much money as the average poker player (who play for a living). There's no where near enough prize money. If players were allowed to bet their own cash (a la poker) and play ladder matches for 1k, then I might see it. But if you think you're going to be making 50k+ as a foreign SC2 "pro" then you've got illusions of grandeur. The competition is way too stiff, and the sponsors are getting no where near enough publicity to pony up that kind of cash. Think of it this way. McDonalds sponsors The Big Mac SC2 tourney, and offers 100k in prize money. Now how do you determine who gets in? The first 64 people who enter? The top ranked 64? Sure. Pick a method. Now you have 64 people competing for a 100k purse. The top 8 people get paid. Winner's share is 30%. The same 20 people are going to be vying for that prize every time. The rest? Maybe getting lucky and coming up with a top 8 spot. In the mean time, there's 250 000 competitive players trying to get to that top 64 rank. Only the best of the best of the best will get any action. This is also assuming that McDonalds would sponsor a 100k tourney (which is totally absurd). Now look at poker. You can take 200 dollars, study, remain disiplined, and practice good bankroll management. All you have to do is sit down with 8 players worse than you in a table, and your roll will grow. As your skill/roll improves, so does your cash earned. Since you're the one taking all the risk, there's no saying what can/can't happen. You can sit down with phil ivey this weekend if you've got the cash to do it. He won't mind playing you 1k/2k NL, I promise. Just as flash won't mind playing you a Bo5 for 25k. The problems are 1) betting on SC is grossly illegal, and 2) You can only play against the super elite. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
It's the same reason we're all eager to play diablo 3 as well lol xD | ||
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obs
United States1 Post
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MiniTsunami
United States274 Posts
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Armsved
Denmark642 Posts
I MADE A SHIT LOAD MONEY. However, poker is VERY VERY repetetive. After a couple of months its grinding. Litterally grinding. You play 8 hours a day and you dont enjoy it at all since you are doing the same shit all the time. And also playing pro poker is more about disiplin than skill. You dont need a whole lot of skill to earn money of poker but you do need A LOT of disiplin. Your BB/hand is very low and rakeback is a big part of your income. So whenever you tilt just a little a huge loss. And thats only after the small setups you lose like AA vs KK or even KK vs AA. But the worst thing about poker is... the downswings... These will are sooo hard to deal with... I had 3 days during my "pro" time that I experienced like 20 losses of buyins due to set vs higher set, flush vs higher flush, KK vs AA, you get the point. Losing an extreme amount of money to varians favored the opponent. This is SO hard to deal with. Sc2 IS AWSOME. In denmark, most pro pokerplayers wish they had taken a different road. | ||
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
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weebles
Canada15 Posts
We can all dream, right? | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On July 29 2010 13:33 Armsved wrote: Played poker for a year, my biggest tourney wins were, 3rd place sunday warmup on star, 1st place 11+R on stars and 4th on the 110k on mansion. + a shit ton of cashgame. I was also doing 12+ tables on fulltilt. I MADE A SHIT LOAD MONEY. However, poker is VERY VERY repetetive. After a couple of months its grinding. Litterally grinding. You play 8 hours a day and you dont enjoy it at all since you are doing the same shit all the time. And also playing pro poker is more about disiplin than skill. You dont need a whole lot of skill to earn money of poker but you do need A LOT of disiplin. Your BB/hand is very low and rakeback is a big part of your income. So whenever you tilt just a little a huge loss. And thats only after the small setups you lose like AA vs KK or even KK vs AA. But the worst thing about poker is... the downswings... These will are sooo hard to deal with... I had 3 days during my "pro" time that I experienced like 20 losses of buyins due to set vs higher set, flush vs higher flush, KK vs AA, you get the point. Losing an extreme amount of money to varians favored the opponent. This is SO hard to deal with. Sc2 IS AWSOME. In denmark, most pro pokerplayers wish they had taken a different road. lol what, I don't even count rakeback in any of my income from poker o_O there are different type of winners but saying rakeback is a big part of income is not true for everyone at all | ||
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weebles
Canada15 Posts
On July 29 2010 13:47 Fayth wrote: lol what, I don't even count rakeback in any of my income from poker o_O there are different type of winners but saying rakeback is a big part of income is not true for everyone at all For lower limit players who struggle to profit this is true, but that's about it. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
but when you get to like 2/4 you shouldn't count on rakeback anymore as it shud be fairly small compared to your winnings even though rakeback is more than enough to make a living at this point | ||
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MiniTsunami
United States274 Posts
On July 29 2010 13:53 Fayth wrote: I think you absolutely need rakeback when you start your roll going from microstakes to midstakes cuz rakeback can play a big part in ur winrate (especially since you're usually in a learning process) but when you get to like 2/4 you shouldn't count on rakeback anymore as it shud be fairly small compared to your winnings even though rakeback is more than enough to make a living at this point I agree with this 100% I generally play 5/10 PLO, and even w/ the large amount of 60/40's and large pots w/ lots of rake, rakeback is still a very small % of my total winnings. Rakeback is a great way to help a breakeven/marginal winner's income, but once one becomes a strong winning player, rakeback is fairly negligible. | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
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newbkills
United States25 Posts
It's because of this luck factor that pro poker players have fish to win money from. However, they do have huge buy ins for golf and there is no luck there either. But I would think its safe to say that the average golfer makes way more money than ur average gamer making it possible to have buy ins. | ||
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
On July 29 2010 13:35 Newguy wrote: (isn't it illegal in the USA?) no. | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
Only around 10 bw players at any one time made a salary above what you would likely make in the standard workforce. SC2 will expand the market, but not to the point of making profit motive the driving force. People play because it's fun. You're probably more likely to win the lottery than to make a living wage playing Starcraft. | ||
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CagedMind
United States506 Posts
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MiniTsunami
United States274 Posts
On July 29 2010 14:38 CagedMind wrote: How long of training does it take to see income from poker? Let's say 30$ an hour. How about 100$? That depends on how fast of a learner you are and how naturally adept at the game you are of course, and how large your starting bankroll is. If you are a brand new player, an average learner, and have a starting BR of say... $250... You could possibly get to the point where you make $30 an hour in 3 months - a year, depending on how well you run, your BR management, and the amount of time you put into the game. But that's only if you are actually able to become good. Many many players will never make $30 an hour playing poker. So honestly, although I tried to give you a serious answer, the true serious answer is "It is completely, and totally subjective to the individual." There is no specific timeframe that one can put on learning to play poker. I was profitable from the very first time I played, but it wasn't for 4 years that I actually started keeping track of my hourly wage and making it a job rather than a source of extra income to party with. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
realistically nowadays with all the information available online, in about 1 year of solid dedication to the game you can probably make it to easily maintaining 10 000$ in profit + rakeback per month playing ~6 hours a day, that's only if you're an average dedicated grinder at like 2/4 and 3/6.. if you're pretty good you can then go up to 6 figures a month and if you're really pretty freaking awesome you can maybe pull a 7 figures month (these are really only the very best players, you could compare them to the top korean pro gamers in korea for starcraft) | ||
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CagedMind
United States506 Posts
If you read up on tactics, learned the chances and already had exp being competitive at playing with odds. Is 2 weeks reasonable? | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
It's almost impossible... unless you start off with like a 3000$ roll and someone to coach you right off the bat, but you probably can't afford any coach so you still gotta be realistic there haha, I was really good at maths and had a pretty solid competitive starcraft backround and it still took a while | ||
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fenner
United Kingdom163 Posts
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petzergling
538 Posts
On July 29 2010 15:20 fenner wrote: What Aizen said, it completely depends on the individual. I've been playing for nearly 2 years putting in a LOT of hours but i still don't make over $10/hr. Basically its hard to assume anything with poker, you can just play your best, learn as much as you can and then hope you get somewhere. considered coaching? lol also to the guy who said 30/hr after 2 weeks like sc poker is based alot off of exp. u can have a good coach and starting roll and solid tilt control but theres still tons of situations you have to get used to and be comfortable with in order to be able to play a bunch of tables profitably | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On July 29 2010 14:53 CagedMind wrote: It is tough to answer. Not an avg learner so I guess that changes things. I was one of top 5 in http://www.kongregate.com/games/Kongregate/kongai which I'm told uses similar skills to poker. If you read up on tactics, learned the chances and already had exp being competitive at playing with odds. Is 2 weeks reasonable? My father plays professionally and it took him a long time to make good money. Two weeks is so far from reasonable it boggles my mind that you can even ask. | ||
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
they said fuck starcraft ill play poker instead i wont have to work as hard.. sc2 wont be that different... | ||
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petzergling
538 Posts
also i have a feeling starcraft 2 will be alot less mechanically demanding then sc1 | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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petzergling
538 Posts
fayth i dont read lp much what is your ps/ftp sns? or do you not out them here | ||
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hunter3
United States155 Posts
On July 29 2010 14:53 CagedMind wrote: It is tough to answer. Not an avg learner so I guess that changes things. I was one of top 5 in http://www.kongregate.com/games/Kongregate/kongai which I'm told uses similar skills to poker. If you read up on tactics, learned the chances and already had exp being competitive at playing with odds. Is 2 weeks reasonable? Umm no. That video game is nothing like staring down someone's bluff with your king high and $3000 sitting in the pot. It's not as simple as reading a book, shelling out $100, and instantly profiting. I've known players, smart guys, who've played for 3+ years and barely break $20-30 / hour. Hell, those old guys probably been playing their entire lives and are still losing money. You can pick up the game quickly if you have some natural talent. Good mathematical skills, the ability to read body language, and a stone cold discipline that can stand 14 hours of constant analyzing and decision making without faltering or succumbing to swings in emotion. Then again, if you had any of these skills, you wouldn't be posting in an online forum about whether you should start playing poker. | ||
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Zalfor
United States1035 Posts
honestly, poker isn't easy. It's not hard, but the learning curve is definitely steep. listen to fayth, everything he says is honest truth | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
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