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On July 25 2010 15:21 -ReMeDy- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 15:15 balistix wrote:
i remember day9 saying how when he practiced for some tournament in 2007, he woke up at 10 am and played until 3 am everyday and took breaks for lunch and dinner and stuff, and that's what i plan to do more or less And that too is another point of contention because commentating takes a ton of time too, so by Day[9] doing his daily's, is he basically consenting he will never successfully compete with the pro gamers at the top levels? I don't see how that guy would have time for both practice and daily's. Plus, he's really involved in the community, so that's additional practice time subtracted.
why spend the long hours practicing so hard to be the best in a difficult game when you can make the easy money just doing videos and commentary?
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On July 25 2010 17:12 Ploppytheman wrote:
Taking a small break from my 15 page report on robbery... yeh I like SC2 and all but I also like lifting weights. I genuinely enjoy spending 6hrs in the gym and getting stronger. It makes me stronger, faster, more attractive, and its good for my health, and you get respect. If I look at SC2 I don't really see it gaining me anything. Girls don't give a crap and it really doesn't do anything for you in your life. I hope gaming becomes more popular in the US to the point where gaming can be a good skill toi have but atm its just not. I still plan on spending several hours a week on SC and it will be my primary hobby (especially since there is no gym where I live) but I see it falling away. I wish there was more time to do more things but there isn't.
This is why video games are not as popular b/c its a waste of time literally with almost no pay-off, and even when there is pay-off like in Korea its a very small amount of people making money. If I lift weights, and I don't even have to compete or try to be the best or anything like that, I get lots of payoff from it. If there was a following like in poker and games were on money then it would be worth it, but its not. I love video games and SC especially but I'd rather have a wife and money for decent living. Speaking of that I need to get back to my report so I can actually play SC like a madman on release... next two days will be hell but I get to play SC all day mon-tues at least :D
In your example, yes there is a payoff, but in a lot of other examples, there is no payoff except fun. Tell me how watching TV all day(excluding news or documentaries) and partying all night better than playing video games all day. But somehow the former is more acceptable.
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I love SC2 but no way could I play 8+ hours everyday.
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On July 25 2010 17:19 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 17:12 Ploppytheman wrote:
Taking a small break from my 15 page report on robbery... yeh I like SC2 and all but I also like lifting weights. I genuinely enjoy spending 6hrs in the gym and getting stronger. It makes me stronger, faster, more attractive, and its good for my health, and you get respect. If I look at SC2 I don't really see it gaining me anything. Girls don't give a crap and it really doesn't do anything for you in your life. I hope gaming becomes more popular in the US to the point where gaming can be a good skill toi have but atm its just not. I still plan on spending several hours a week on SC and it will be my primary hobby (especially since there is no gym where I live) but I see it falling away. I wish there was more time to do more things but there isn't.
This is why video games are not as popular b/c its a waste of time literally with almost no pay-off, and even when there is pay-off like in Korea its a very small amount of people making money. If I lift weights, and I don't even have to compete or try to be the best or anything like that, I get lots of payoff from it. If there was a following like in poker and games were on money then it would be worth it, but its not. I love video games and SC especially but I'd rather have a wife and money for decent living. Speaking of that I need to get back to my report so I can actually play SC like a madman on release... next two days will be hell but I get to play SC all day mon-tues at least :D In your example, yes there is a payoff, but in a lot of other examples, there is no payoff except fun. Tell me how watching TV all day(excluding news or documentaries) and partying all night better than playing video games all day. But somehow the former is more acceptable.
I don't think many people believe that watching 8 hours of TV is better than watching 8 hours of starcraft; they probably view it the same. And partying is better than starcraft because its more fun for the time spent
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On July 25 2010 17:22 leeznon wrote:
I love SC2 but no way could I play 8+ hours everyday.
Good job for deciding not to play 8+ hours of SC2 everyday. Instead, make your parents proud by studying 8+ hours everyday. 
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On July 25 2010 17:08 Phayze wrote:
For a new player entering the scene you really need to play the 12+ hours Idra talks about. Whitera has been around for a very long time and mechanics from SC1 switched over very nicely to SC2. While HuK practices 10 hours a day, he really is not one of the tip top players but is a very skilled player none the less. He can win games against good players but that does not mean he can stand toe to toe in a bo100 with tester.Really you must practice, especially if you are new to the scene.
I think the wording of that could use some tweaking, it's not that you need to play, but that you want to play. Why else would you play the game if not for fun? Most likely a new player that falls in love with the game is going to play as much as they can until it gets boring, as long as they have the time or take other things away from their time. I think that's where the discussion should be: how much is enjoyable, how much is it until the game is not something you want to play but need to play. As long as it gives some gain of pleasure it will merit some gain of effort, thus efficiency is maximized and skill is gained. Forgive me if I'm merely arguing semantics
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On July 25 2010 17:24 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 17:08 Phayze wrote:
For a new player entering the scene you really need to play the 12+ hours Idra talks about. Whitera has been around for a very long time and mechanics from SC1 switched over very nicely to SC2. While HuK practices 10 hours a day, he really is not one of the tip top players but is a very skilled player none the less. He can win games against good players but that does not mean he can stand toe to toe in a bo100 with tester.Really you must practice, especially if you are new to the scene. I think the wording of that could use some tweaking, it's not that you need to play, but that you want to play. Why else would you play the game if not for fun? Most likely a new player that falls in love with the game is going to play as much as they can until it gets boring, as long as they have the time or take other things away from their time. I think that's where the discussion should be: how much is enjoyable, how much is it until the game is not something you want to play but need to play. As long as it gives some gain of pleasure it will merit some gain of effort, thus efficiency is maximized and skill is gained. Forgive me if I'm merely arguing semantics
This topic is about a player who wants to become pro meaning that its not just for fun but also for money
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On July 25 2010 17:23 MuTT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 17:19 Nemesis wrote:On July 25 2010 17:12 Ploppytheman wrote:
Taking a small break from my 15 page report on robbery... yeh I like SC2 and all but I also like lifting weights. I genuinely enjoy spending 6hrs in the gym and getting stronger. It makes me stronger, faster, more attractive, and its good for my health, and you get respect. If I look at SC2 I don't really see it gaining me anything. Girls don't give a crap and it really doesn't do anything for you in your life. I hope gaming becomes more popular in the US to the point where gaming can be a good skill toi have but atm its just not. I still plan on spending several hours a week on SC and it will be my primary hobby (especially since there is no gym where I live) but I see it falling away. I wish there was more time to do more things but there isn't.
This is why video games are not as popular b/c its a waste of time literally with almost no pay-off, and even when there is pay-off like in Korea its a very small amount of people making money. If I lift weights, and I don't even have to compete or try to be the best or anything like that, I get lots of payoff from it. If there was a following like in poker and games were on money then it would be worth it, but its not. I love video games and SC especially but I'd rather have a wife and money for decent living. Speaking of that I need to get back to my report so I can actually play SC like a madman on release... next two days will be hell but I get to play SC all day mon-tues at least :D In your example, yes there is a payoff, but in a lot of other examples, there is no payoff except fun. Tell me how watching TV all day(excluding news or documentaries) and partying all night better than playing video games all day. But somehow the former is more acceptable. I don't think many people believe that watching 8 hours of TV is better than watching 8 hours of starcraft; they probably view it the same. And partying is better than starcraft because its more fun for the time spent
Fun is something very subjective which would depend on the person.
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On July 25 2010 17:28 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 17:23 MuTT wrote:On July 25 2010 17:19 Nemesis wrote:On July 25 2010 17:12 Ploppytheman wrote:
Taking a small break from my 15 page report on robbery... yeh I like SC2 and all but I also like lifting weights. I genuinely enjoy spending 6hrs in the gym and getting stronger. It makes me stronger, faster, more attractive, and its good for my health, and you get respect. If I look at SC2 I don't really see it gaining me anything. Girls don't give a crap and it really doesn't do anything for you in your life. I hope gaming becomes more popular in the US to the point where gaming can be a good skill toi have but atm its just not. I still plan on spending several hours a week on SC and it will be my primary hobby (especially since there is no gym where I live) but I see it falling away. I wish there was more time to do more things but there isn't.
This is why video games are not as popular b/c its a waste of time literally with almost no pay-off, and even when there is pay-off like in Korea its a very small amount of people making money. If I lift weights, and I don't even have to compete or try to be the best or anything like that, I get lots of payoff from it. If there was a following like in poker and games were on money then it would be worth it, but its not. I love video games and SC especially but I'd rather have a wife and money for decent living. Speaking of that I need to get back to my report so I can actually play SC like a madman on release... next two days will be hell but I get to play SC all day mon-tues at least :D In your example, yes there is a payoff, but in a lot of other examples, there is no payoff except fun. Tell me how watching TV all day(excluding news or documentaries) and partying all night better than playing video games all day. But somehow the former is more acceptable. I don't think many people believe that watching 8 hours of TV is better than watching 8 hours of starcraft; they probably view it the same. And partying is better than starcraft because its more fun for the time spent Fun is something very subjective which would depend on the person.
I guess i may have misunderstood your statement but you said that watching TV is more acceptable and i said that i don't think many people think that way. They probably see them both as equally a waste of time
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If rts skills could translate to practical skills then I could see some benefit to training so obsessively on a video game. But right now it makes more logical sense to use the time and resources to learn a skill or trade that will actually last longer than the lifespan of video game.
But that could all change when modern armies are replaced by remote controlled robots....
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2010 17:12 Ploppytheman wrote:
Taking a small break from my 15 page report on robbery... yeh I like SC2 and all but I also like lifting weights. I genuinely enjoy spending 6hrs in the gym and getting stronger. It makes me stronger, faster, more attractive, and its good for my health, and you get respect. If I look at SC2 I don't really see it gaining me anything. Girls don't give a crap and it really doesn't do anything for you in your life. I hope gaming becomes more popular in the US to the point where gaming can be a good skill toi have but atm its just not. I still plan on spending several hours a week on SC and it will be my primary hobby (especially since there is no gym where I live) but I see it falling away. I wish there was more time to do more things but there isn't.
This is why video games are not as popular b/c its a waste of time literally with almost no pay-off, and even when there is pay-off like in Korea its a very small amount of people making money. If I lift weights, and I don't even have to compete or try to be the best or anything like that, I get lots of payoff from it. If there was a following like in poker and games were on money then it would be worth it, but its not. I love video games and SC especially but I'd rather have a wife and money for decent living. Speaking of that I need to get back to my report so I can actually play SC like a madman on release... next two days will be hell but I get to play SC all day mon-tues at least :D
Well, there is a certain payoff from playing video games. If you put the effort into it you can get a mental payoff from playing good games like SC where there's such an immense amount of things to learn which you can transfer to real life.
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I think it's 6 hours minimum. Grossly divided in 2 hours laddering, 2 hours practicing with friends, 2 hours watching replays. If you can stay focused enough for more than that, even better, so the koreans are right, to be a successfull pro sc2 player, you need to play for as much as you can stay focused to profit from it, be it 8 or 10 or 12 hours a day.
For what it counts, i play 4-6 hours/day on average when i have the time to do it, less if i haven't.
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I can play few games max then i must make a pause of few hours.
I can't imagine how someone can enjoy playing 12 hours non stop.
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GFs are not good for sc2, your crazy...
9/10 GF's wont like that you spend that much time on the computer playing a game instead of talking to them or spending time with them.. idk what kinda fantasy relationships you have had.. lol.
gfs are over rated. long as you can get laid with out one your in great shape :-D. if u cant o well sucks 4 u.
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On July 25 2010 17:27 MuTT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 17:24 Roe wrote:On July 25 2010 17:08 Phayze wrote:
For a new player entering the scene you really need to play the 12+ hours Idra talks about. Whitera has been around for a very long time and mechanics from SC1 switched over very nicely to SC2. While HuK practices 10 hours a day, he really is not one of the tip top players but is a very skilled player none the less. He can win games against good players but that does not mean he can stand toe to toe in a bo100 with tester.Really you must practice, especially if you are new to the scene. I think the wording of that could use some tweaking, it's not that you need to play, but that you want to play. Why else would you play the game if not for fun? Most likely a new player that falls in love with the game is going to play as much as they can until it gets boring, as long as they have the time or take other things away from their time. I think that's where the discussion should be: how much is enjoyable, how much is it until the game is not something you want to play but need to play. As long as it gives some gain of pleasure it will merit some gain of effort, thus efficiency is maximized and skill is gained. Forgive me if I'm merely arguing semantics This topic is about a player who wants to become pro meaning that its not just for fun but also for money
I hear ya, but would you agree that the most efficient way to become better is by positive stimuli(fun, love) when playing the game, rather than neutral(time grinding) or negative(fear of lack of money/financial security)? Though I could see the argument for both sides
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On July 25 2010 15:19 Vessel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 15:06 Everlong wrote:
Get a gf, really.. Its good both for life and SC2.. As for your question, its impossible to say. Its very individual. Like play 5-6 hours a day and you will be fine. dunno man. i have a gf and i can tell you its definately not good for SC2. even 4 hours a day would be way out of the question for me
lol amen to this xD
have a fiancee and i live with her, not to mention im at work every day till 6 ^_^
also, how the hell can u spend 6 hours in gym?
anything more than like 90 minutes ur wasting your time ^_^
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On July 25 2010 17:50 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 17:27 MuTT wrote:On July 25 2010 17:24 Roe wrote:On July 25 2010 17:08 Phayze wrote:
For a new player entering the scene you really need to play the 12+ hours Idra talks about. Whitera has been around for a very long time and mechanics from SC1 switched over very nicely to SC2. While HuK practices 10 hours a day, he really is not one of the tip top players but is a very skilled player none the less. He can win games against good players but that does not mean he can stand toe to toe in a bo100 with tester.Really you must practice, especially if you are new to the scene. I think the wording of that could use some tweaking, it's not that you need to play, but that you want to play. Why else would you play the game if not for fun? Most likely a new player that falls in love with the game is going to play as much as they can until it gets boring, as long as they have the time or take other things away from their time. I think that's where the discussion should be: how much is enjoyable, how much is it until the game is not something you want to play but need to play. As long as it gives some gain of pleasure it will merit some gain of effort, thus efficiency is maximized and skill is gained. Forgive me if I'm merely arguing semantics This topic is about a player who wants to become pro meaning that its not just for fun but also for money I hear ya, but would you agree that the most efficient way to become better is by positive stimuli(fun, love) when playing the game, rather than neutral(time grinding) or negative(fear of lack of money/financial security)? Though I could see the argument for both sides
Well having fun with the game can give you motivation which will help but my argument was that to be a pro gamer you have to be better than the other players at something. Since most of the game has to do with experience and mechanics which take mostly time and not much thought you are going to have to practice all day everyday to be a top player. Most of the gamers are not stupid, they know how to get better fast as well. It's just plain and simple that you HAVE TO put a lot of time into this game to make a decent amount of money.
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On July 25 2010 17:48 Alpina wrote:
I can play few games max then i must make a pause of few hours.
I can't imagine how someone can enjoy playing 12 hours non stop.
IdrA doesn't. He said in one interview that he plays in 4 hour blocks with meals and sleep in between.
Personally I'm going to be practicing 4 hours a day. I think it's a good amount of time to get immersed in the game but not have to sacrifice school, work, social life, etc.
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On July 25 2010 17:18 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 15:21 -ReMeDy- wrote:On July 25 2010 15:15 balistix wrote:
i remember day9 saying how when he practiced for some tournament in 2007, he woke up at 10 am and played until 3 am everyday and took breaks for lunch and dinner and stuff, and that's what i plan to do more or less And that too is another point of contention because commentating takes a ton of time too, so by Day[9] doing his daily's, is he basically consenting he will never successfully compete with the pro gamers at the top levels? I don't see how that guy would have time for both practice and daily's. Plus, he's really involved in the community, so that's additional practice time subtracted. why spend the long hours practicing so hard to be the best in a difficult game when you can make the easy money just doing videos and commentary?
haha, I think this sums it up pretty well. "what is the wealth potential" is the real reason. If people discover you spend your free time doing something that doesn't make alot of money it will be frowned upon. But if it's something that has the potential to make you alot of money it will be accepted. If SC2 sponsored tournaments offered millions of dollars people would quickly start thinking of pro gaming (and therefore gaming) as legit. I don't think this is necessarily a good thing if money is dictating what is good and what isn't. I think a good way to tell if something or someone is legit is by removing the money factor. If someone loves doing something they will do it for free (like those who play video games hardcore), whether or not people believe it's legit.
People frown on McDonalds workers too, since you don't make alot of money working there, but not when they are ordering a burger and large fries. Just like many of you frown upon pro gamers, but not when you're watching Jaedong vs Flash.
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I think everyone is different and should play the amount that makes the difference for them, but to also not sacrifice sleep and exercise (as NonY suggests) because that will keep your mind and body healthy, making you refreshed for sc2, and even more importantly; rl
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