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FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
July 18 2010 20:05 GMT
#61
the execs think that there is some imbalance between terran and zerg, but that the data doesnt show it.
alfybet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States57 Posts
July 18 2010 20:15 GMT
#62
This doesn't really tell us anything because we don't know how evenly people choose their race.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
July 18 2010 20:16 GMT
#63
Went through the data real quick with excel, here's the numbers as of July 18th, 2010 1PM PDT

1120 Protoss
921 Terran
891 Zerg
440 Random

Thank God and gunrun.
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
July 18 2010 20:24 GMT
#64
i think its funny how the top 3 players are, protoss, terran, zerg.
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
July 18 2010 20:28 GMT
#65
On July 17 2010 10:42 DarthLeader wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:14 FatkiddsLag wrote:
A thread was created with a list of all the known diamond league players. http://sc2.vacau.com/sc2/index.php

I decided to go through each of the top 100 players and see what races they are. Here are my findings.

Protoss: 38

Terran: 36

Zerg: 22

Random: 4


Also, I found these surprising. I'll soon get a bigger pool of maybe the top 1000.

Edit: I quickly went through the next 100. so here is a pool of the top 200 players.

Protoss: 75

Terran: 68

Zerg: 47

Random: 10

this is boring so im going to take a break.


This just prooves that zerg are underpowered.


It just shows that people just see more success playing P and T than Z atm because P and T are easier races are easier to play and win with.
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Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
July 18 2010 20:31 GMT
#66
Cool data, but I'm afraid what it is going to do regarding which race is the most op up etc. This does not clearly say which race is overpowered but I'm sure people are going to make conlcusions of their own.
RedThor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
116 Posts
July 18 2010 20:32 GMT
#67
I had posted this in the original thread, this is clearly a more appropriate venue. Some quick stats from the Diamond league data as of today:

Out of the 3364 players currently in Diamond:
883 Zerg
1119 Protoss
920 Terran

Out of top 1000 in Diamond:
241 Zerg
359 Protoss
298 Terran

Out of top 100
19 Zerg
39 Protoss
36 Terran

Observations:
1) Zerg is pretty uncommon in Diamond and at the top level.
2) Protoss is more popular than Terran in lower level Diamond. This is not really the case in the top 100.
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Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 20:36:28
July 18 2010 20:35 GMT
#68
%In Top200_%Total_%Comparison

P 37.5_33.2 +4.3%
T 34.0_27.3 +6.7%
Z 23.5_26.4 -2.9%
R 5.0_13.0 -8.0%

terran is obv ez

these stats are obviously flawed because players don't play 100% one race, but you can still make some interesting inferences.
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Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
July 18 2010 20:37 GMT
#69
On July 19 2010 05:16 Primadog wrote:
Went through the data real quick with excel, here's the numbers as of July 18th, 2010 1PM PDT

1120 Protoss
921 Terran
891 Zerg
440 Random



Protoss - 33.21%
Terran - 27.13%
Zerg - 26.42%
Random - 13.05%

That's really not that bad guys. Stop with these random accusations about how one race is easier or one race is underpowered. The statistics are actually pretty darn close. Game is obviously not totally balanced, but going around acting like you have statistics to support your arguments now really doesn't help.
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OneBlueAugust
Profile Joined September 2004
United States153 Posts
July 18 2010 20:47 GMT
#70
I wonder at the accuracy of stuff like this. I'm pretty sure I'm in the top 1000, and I'm probably counted as terran since the majority of my games are with them (2v2 and the first few hardcore days of playing). However, I've played nothing but zerg for the past week and a half. I'm sure I'm not the only one like this. I'd imagine the high protoss numbers are a by-product of just such a scenario, as most of my friends started with protoss (thus racking up a bunch of games with them) and then moved on to another race.
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FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
July 18 2010 20:51 GMT
#71
i still think terran is op, no matter what the stats say.
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
July 18 2010 21:40 GMT
#72
On July 19 2010 05:51 FatkiddsLag wrote:
i still think terran is op, no matter what the stats say.


Thanks for your opinion, so we can immediately disregard it thanks to your acknowledging that the stats disagree!
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
July 18 2010 21:41 GMT
#73
Racedistribution (%) from TheThor data.
Diamond top1000 top100
zerg 26,25 24,1 19
protoss 33,26 35,9 39
terran 27,35 29,8 36
random 13,14 10,2 6

Change in share when nearing the top

Diamond top1000 top100
zerg 1 -8,19 -27,61
protoss 1 7,92 17,24
terran 1 8,96 31,63
random 1 -22,37 -54,33

From these stats there are tendencies towards:

1) random having a hard time competing at high level play, shown by a 50% decrease when nearing the top of the ladder

2) zerg having trouble when the competitive level is rising, shown by a 25% decrease when
nearing the top

3) protoss gaining a steady increase of 8 and 15% when nearing the top

4) terran gaining a huge momentum, going from a 9% to 30% increase nearing the top. Momentum gain could be strategic and/or tactical differences between lower and higher level players of the race or an artifact of uncertainty.

This doesn't tell much without knowing the effects of mapselection or having more data from europe and asia. However, the american zergs seems to be less competitive than american protosses and american terrans.
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YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
July 18 2010 22:14 GMT
#74
woah, the terrans are DOMINATING top10 on asia pretty hard :O
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sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
July 18 2010 22:18 GMT
#75
On July 17 2010 09:39 Nal_rAwr wrote:
it was like this in BW too

protoss is the most straight-forward

terran is a little less straight-forward

and zerg is the least straight-forward

people are going to change, and later on in the highest level, zerg is going to OP the crap out of all the other races


I don't know how having one hotkey to build all your units is the least straight forward. Sure, creep and queens but the easy as hell unit producing makes up for that.
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HardcoreBilly
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States222 Posts
July 18 2010 22:28 GMT
#76
On July 17 2010 09:39 Nal_rAwr wrote:
it was like this in BW too

protoss is the most straight-forward

terran is a little less straight-forward

and zerg is the least straight-forward

people are going to change, and later on in the highest level, zerg is going to OP the crap out of all the other races


The reason why I started playing Zerg, and has used Zerg almost exclusively throughout the entire beta was actually because of it's straight-forwardness. There is little unit and spell/ability diversity. Its mostly expanding and massing units, which I love to do.

As with everyone (I think), I'm surprised there is so many randoms. Perhaps the advantage of being unknown for the first minute of the game is actually greater than one would suspect.
MonkeyKungFu
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway154 Posts
July 18 2010 22:30 GMT
#77
On July 19 2010 07:18 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:39 Nal_rAwr wrote:
it was like this in BW too

protoss is the most straight-forward

terran is a little less straight-forward

and zerg is the least straight-forward

people are going to change, and later on in the highest level, zerg is going to OP the crap out of all the other races


I don't know how having one hotkey to build all your units is the least straight forward. Sure, creep and queens but the easy as hell unit producing makes up for that.


Zerg unit production is probably the most difficult imo, balancing between units and drones is what separate the good ones from the bad ones, one bad decision and its GG. T and P have it easier that way.
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Cloak
Profile Joined October 2009
United States816 Posts
July 18 2010 22:39 GMT
#78
Ironically, while Protoss macro mechanics might be the most lenient on execution, it's the most inflexible, AND we're usually the race that's required to do the tech switching to stay ahead. The only telling statistic would be a ratio between top % and total %.
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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 22:46:01
July 18 2010 22:43 GMT
#79
On July 17 2010 09:57 gillon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:53 ohN wrote:
On July 17 2010 09:44 TheKing. wrote:
On July 17 2010 09:39 Nal_rAwr wrote:
it was like this in BW too

protoss is the most straight-forward

terran is a little less straight-forward

and zerg is the least straight-forward

people are going to change, and later on in the highest level, zerg is going to OP the crap out of all the other races

Why is zerg going to " OP the crap out of all the other races"

I do not think Zerg is considered overpowered at all. Please explain what you mean

I think he means something like this:
As P, your standard units are zealot/stalker/sentry + a few higher tier units
As T, its either marine/maurader/medivac + etc or hellion/tank/thor + etc
As Z, you don't have anything like that so zergs have to try out and experiment with different unit comps.
In other words, it's not as "straight-forward" as the other two races so it takes a while longer to figure things out.


Wow, sure is simplifying races here. Don't try to make it out as if making roach hydra or mutaling/bling requires some sort of strategic genius. I know zerg differs in alot of ways from the other two races, but zerg gets glorified way too much on TL.


Yeah totally overglorified and actually entirely op, as the statistics suggest. All you have to do is attack move roach hydra, right!?

On July 19 2010 05:37 Alou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 05:16 Primadog wrote:
Went through the data real quick with excel, here's the numbers as of July 18th, 2010 1PM PDT

1120 Protoss
921 Terran
891 Zerg
440 Random



Protoss - 33.21%
Terran - 27.13%
Zerg - 26.42%
Random - 13.05%

That's really not that bad guys. Stop with these random accusations about how one race is easier or one race is underpowered. The statistics are actually pretty darn close. Game is obviously not totally balanced, but going around acting like you have statistics to support your arguments now really doesn't help.

But as you get higher and higher up, the statistics start clearly favoring p/t
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BrenttheGreat
Profile Joined July 2010
United States150 Posts
July 18 2010 22:44 GMT
#80
On July 17 2010 09:18 Rea wrote:
whats the point of such a list aslong you get 5-30 times more ELO for a win then a loss?


I get as few as 1 point for a win and in the 30's for a loss. The higher rank you get the harder it is to continue going up because the points are not given as liberally.
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