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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 19 2010 05:28 nitdkim wrote: It just shows that people just see more success playing P and T than Z atm because P and T are easier races are easier to play and win with. Or the maps are just awfully designed for zerg right now. | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
Anyways, thanks for the guy that did the excel for the top 1000. Only really interesting result is the rather large amount of randoms. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 17 2010 10:46 tathecat563 wrote: How is zerg doing on the other servers atm? I recall them being the strongest on the Asian servers and that's with basically no changes to the balance of the three. this was a few patches ago. terran is going strong on asia, but not in the way they are on US. | ||
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
Everyone is using them. This explains those stats I think. But in tourneys, I think (hope) it's different. You shouldn't think about balance just looking at ladder stats. Most people are doing the same "easy strats against average player" every game. We need to wait big tourneys at the release of the game to begin to talk about balance. About the low number of zerg players. I think there are less zerg players than at the start of the beta just because actually zerg is the race which has to play defensive a lot, suffer a lot of harassments. It's more about the actual style of the race than about balance (suffer, suffer, macro). | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On July 19 2010 07:56 HubertFelix wrote: You shouldn't think about balance just looking at ladder stats. Most people are doing the same "easy strats against average player" every game. We need to wait big tourneys at the release of the game to begin to talk about balance. Indeed, and even then it takes years. Look at Broodwar. 3 Zerg wins in the first 20 OSLs (2 of them by  July). There have been 7 Zerg wins in the 10 OSLs since then. The MSL has the same story - 0 Zerg wins in the first 8 tournaments, followed by 9 Zerg wins in the most recent 15.It's too early to cry for Zerg or whatever. Broodwar was last patched in 2001 but that didn't stop Zerg from being unable to win tournaments for years before becoming the most winnable race that they are now. | ||
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Jokah
United Kingdom74 Posts
On July 19 2010 07:49 Tazza wrote: Wow, zerg is so down, I wonder if its a lot different in Asia. I wouldn't say alot different but zerg certainly isnt dominating the asian server like people are suggeting. http://sc2.vacau.com/sc2/krranks.php | ||
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
On July 19 2010 08:07 Crisium wrote: Indeed, and even then it takes years. Look at Broodwar. 3 Zerg wins in the first 20 OSLs (2 of them by July). There have been 7 Zerg wins in the 10 OSLs since then. The MSL has the same story - 0 Zerg wins in the first 8 tournaments, followed by 9 Zerg wins in the most recent 15.It's too early to cry for Zerg or whatever. Broodwar was last patched in 2001 but that didn't stop Zerg from being unable to win tournaments for years before becoming the most winnable race that they are now. Echoing the above post, Blizzard needs to balance with the highest level of play in mind (ie. pros). Ladder statistics should be ignored for the most part. Let SC2 evolve first before crying imbalance. Also some(most?) of the maps are horrible right now. Kulas Ravine is especially bad for Zerg. | ||
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Juaks
United States384 Posts
On July 19 2010 05:37 Alou wrote: Protoss - 33.21% Terran - 27.13% Zerg - 26.42% Random - 13.05% That's really not that bad guys. Stop with these random accusations about how one race is easier or one race is underpowered. The statistics are actually pretty darn close. Game is obviously not totally balanced, but going around acting like you have statistics to support your arguments now really doesn't help. This I actually see these stats very close. Differences are not that huge at all. So these numbers are very positive to my eyes. And which race is the most played doesn't mean that race is OP, it only means is more popular. | ||
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
Btw, this is on the NA server? What's more important are the asian servers imo. edit: I'll hold off on anything this data is implying at the moment. I really don't know enough to make any assumptions, but the observations of this thread are great. Thanks. | ||
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Fumble
156 Posts
On July 17 2010 09:43 Phayze wrote: Lol oh yeah, rank 200 and I havent played a game since the third day of beta. Protoss is too easy, Most games come down (ZvP) either a all in 4gate, or a gateway forgebuild into a hard to stop 2base collosus. It's so easy to do either of these builds, and it's truly really hard for a zerg to come out ahead.. Dealing with collosus with roach hydra is hard, and if you make 5 too many drones, you lose to a good timing push. It's too demanding in comparison to the protoss strategy. Roaces need a buff against collossi. Hydras are completely useless by any sort of collosus micro. I have to agree here. For any game, its hard to say which character/race/class is the easiest to play because it depends on the skill level you are currently at in the beginning. For instance in street fighter 4, balrog starts off being a very easy character when all you know is how to do heavy kicks and jump ins. Later when ppl are starting to learn how to do moves, balrog becomes a very hard character to use cuz his moves are hard to pull off for a beginner. He becomes very hard to use until a more advanced stage where everybody knows link ins and combos into ultras as his gameplay becomes a little generic and basic. For SC2, I think at low-mid diamond level play. Protoss has the easiest time with these timing pushes, 4 gating and collosis builds. For a zerg player of a similar level, its hard to defend against early aggression and even after u successfully defend against it, the collosus army can crush you easily. | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
22- Protoss 19- Terran 7- Zerg 2- Random Assuming the random wouldn't change because it is always equal power level this should be closer to 16 per race with Zerg making up less than 50% of what it should and protoss making up 37% of what it should and Terran 18% of what it should be. I would assume that because these are the 50 "Best" players in the beta that favoritism doesn't have as much to do with it as it would other times. Simply put Zerg is under-represented (opposed to Toss, Terran over-represented) EDIT: 18-Terran 16-Toss 13-zerg 3- Random These are the results on the above site for europe players and is about equal when you bring in factors such as favoritism and the development of strategies. Based on both calculations I would like to see where the asia server is compared to us/eu | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On July 19 2010 08:21 Jokah wrote: I wouldn't say alot different but zerg certainly isnt dominating the asian server like people are suggeting. http://sc2.vacau.com/sc2/krranks.php Thanks for the link, jokah, and thanks to martinni for updating the list. Of the 3635 players in asia diamond division 1v1.
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FatkiddsLag
United States413 Posts
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
Not saying terran is overpowered, just saying that they are dominant in tourneys now. | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
i believe they are strong, people like idra, cool, sen have shown us the strength of zerg. | ||
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