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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 17 2010 00:48 GMT
#21
i agree with empyrean here
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KillerPlague
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1386 Posts
July 17 2010 00:49 GMT
#22
i don't think top 100 is as important as win %
i'd like to see how that plays out by top 100 for each race. i bet it would be a little closer.
Side 1: Why no dominant players with 90% win ratio Side 2: Nerf Side 1
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 00:51:57
July 17 2010 00:50 GMT
#23
On July 17 2010 09:47 superman. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:44 FatkiddsLag wrote:
On July 17 2010 09:43 Empyrean wrote:
On July 17 2010 09:39 Nal_rAwr wrote:
it was like this in BW too

protoss is the most straight-forward

terran is a little less straight-forward

and zerg is the least straight-forward

people are going to change, and later on in the highest level, zerg is going to OP the crap out of all the other races


I'd actually argue that Terran is more straight-forward than Protoss is, especially in their macro mechanic.


Terran is straight forward macro because they can build anything. so just do 1/1/1. Protoss has to commit to something


Protoss can chronoboost probes, put gates anywhere, not build units in battles, and then boom, 13 zealots warping in... I believe protoss is by far easier to macro than terran.

Also cannons, although not commonly used, easier to do than bunkers imo,


no way are cannons easier than bunkers. 100% return is insane. what happens when you place cannons and push out. you have 150 + 150 x cannon# sitting worthless in your base.
RoMarX
Profile Joined April 2010
Argentina189 Posts
July 17 2010 00:50 GMT
#24
On July 17 2010 09:18 Rea wrote:
whats the point of such a list aslong you get 5-30 times more ELO for a win then a loss?


yeah sure thats why you see guys with 100-100 stats with half the points of guys with 20 games
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Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
July 17 2010 00:51 GMT
#25
No win % isnt nearly as important, because everyone in diamond has around 60%, they constantly play gold level players, buffing the win rate. The race distribution in the highest level should be even, but it isnt, as it stands, its far too easy for a protoss to get into diamond and win against higher level zergs with 4gate, and it's far too easy for a terran to mnm stim push his way to diamond also.
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TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
July 17 2010 00:52 GMT
#26
http://starcraftrankings.com

Gets updated alot.
Morphs
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands645 Posts
July 17 2010 00:53 GMT
#27
Considering the fact that diamond level players learn the races the fastest, is it safe to say that there's a reason why zerg is underrepresented? Could it be that at diamond level zerg is considered to weak compared to terran/protoss?
ohN
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
July 17 2010 00:53 GMT
#28
On July 17 2010 09:44 TheKing. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:39 Nal_rAwr wrote:
it was like this in BW too

protoss is the most straight-forward

terran is a little less straight-forward

and zerg is the least straight-forward

people are going to change, and later on in the highest level, zerg is going to OP the crap out of all the other races

Why is zerg going to " OP the crap out of all the other races"

I do not think Zerg is considered overpowered at all. Please explain what you mean

I think he means something like this:
As P, your standard units are zealot/stalker/sentry + a few higher tier units
As T, its either marine/maurader/medivac + etc or hellion/tank/thor + etc
As Z, you don't have anything like that so zergs have to try out and experiment with different unit comps.
In other words, it's not as "straight-forward" as the other two races so it takes a while longer to figure things out.
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
July 17 2010 00:57 GMT
#29
On July 17 2010 09:53 ohN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:44 TheKing. wrote:
On July 17 2010 09:39 Nal_rAwr wrote:
it was like this in BW too

protoss is the most straight-forward

terran is a little less straight-forward

and zerg is the least straight-forward

people are going to change, and later on in the highest level, zerg is going to OP the crap out of all the other races

Why is zerg going to " OP the crap out of all the other races"

I do not think Zerg is considered overpowered at all. Please explain what you mean

I think he means something like this:
As P, your standard units are zealot/stalker/sentry + a few higher tier units
As T, its either marine/maurader/medivac + etc or hellion/tank/thor + etc
As Z, you don't have anything like that so zergs have to try out and experiment with different unit comps.
In other words, it's not as "straight-forward" as the other two races so it takes a while longer to figure things out.


Wow, sure is simplifying races here. Don't try to make it out as if making roach hydra or mutaling/bling requires some sort of strategic genius. I know zerg differs in alot of ways from the other two races, but zerg gets glorified way too much on TL.
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
July 17 2010 00:58 GMT
#30
On July 17 2010 09:53 Morphs wrote:
Considering the fact that diamond level players learn the races the fastest, is it safe to say that there's a reason why zerg is underrepresented? Could it be that at diamond level zerg is considered to weak compared to terran/protoss?

considering the fact you get placed into gold after going 5-0 to follow with a 90% win ratio and over 30 games you still remain in gold and people with the same amount with 60% win ratio make it into platinum i have to say your premise is a little wrong :[
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arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
July 17 2010 01:01 GMT
#31
I do not understand how anyone could claim that terran macro is more straightforward than protoss...
warpgates? no scv building? dont have to return to base to mule.... no annoying addons messing up ctrlgroups.

Not saying P is OP, that is another debate.

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Martinni
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada169 Posts
July 17 2010 01:01 GMT
#32
Dear god I hope you didn't do that manually, I'm planning on fetching the race soon but right now i'm focusing on making the ladder update automatically...
this is kinda like the guy that started milking and cows... what the hell was he doing?
professorjoak
Profile Joined July 2008
318 Posts
July 17 2010 01:01 GMT
#33
Congrats to dayvie for crushing his way into #21 with random race and only 43 games played. That's awesome. I was skeptical back when they released the alpha battle reports how well David Kim would do versus the top players, and it's great to see he's doing just fantastic.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
July 17 2010 01:02 GMT
#34
On July 17 2010 09:43 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:39 Nal_rAwr wrote:
it was like this in BW too

protoss is the most straight-forward

terran is a little less straight-forward

and zerg is the least straight-forward

people are going to change, and later on in the highest level, zerg is going to OP the crap out of all the other races


I'd actually argue that Terran is more straight-forward than Protoss is, especially in their macro mechanic.


Protoss macro mechanic isn't exactly complicated. It's the kid in the candy shop mentality "I want this and this and this" You just put it on what you want faster. Sure there's a lot of subtle chrono boost timings at high level play but at diamond level you just chrono boost what you want to get out faster more or less.

And I think its easiest to win with protoss if you just play 1 base style, which is the easiest style to play because you have the initiative so its up to the other players to learn to defend.
Definitely having the easiest time with protoss right now of the 3. Zerg proving the most troublesome. (As my BW, and "best" race, as well)
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
July 17 2010 01:16 GMT
#35
On July 17 2010 09:57 gillon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:53 ohN wrote:
On July 17 2010 09:44 TheKing. wrote:
On July 17 2010 09:39 Nal_rAwr wrote:
it was like this in BW too

protoss is the most straight-forward

terran is a little less straight-forward

and zerg is the least straight-forward

people are going to change, and later on in the highest level, zerg is going to OP the crap out of all the other races

Why is zerg going to " OP the crap out of all the other races"

I do not think Zerg is considered overpowered at all. Please explain what you mean

I think he means something like this:
As P, your standard units are zealot/stalker/sentry + a few higher tier units
As T, its either marine/maurader/medivac + etc or hellion/tank/thor + etc
As Z, you don't have anything like that so zergs have to try out and experiment with different unit comps.
In other words, it's not as "straight-forward" as the other two races so it takes a while longer to figure things out.


Wow, sure is simplifying races here. Don't try to make it out as if making roach hydra or mutaling/bling requires some sort of strategic genius. I know zerg differs in alot of ways from the other two races, but zerg gets glorified way too much on TL.


Good thing neither of those unit compositions will beat a strong diamond player except in the case of muta/bling vs Bio Terran.
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DarthLeader
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada123 Posts
July 17 2010 01:42 GMT
#36
On July 17 2010 09:14 FatkiddsLag wrote:
A thread was created with a list of all the known diamond league players. http://sc2.vacau.com/sc2/index.php

I decided to go through each of the top 100 players and see what races they are. Here are my findings.

Protoss: 38

Terran: 36

Zerg: 22

Random: 4


Also, I found these surprising. I'll soon get a bigger pool of maybe the top 1000.

Edit: I quickly went through the next 100. so here is a pool of the top 200 players.

Protoss: 75

Terran: 68

Zerg: 47

Random: 10

this is boring so im going to take a break.


This just prooves that zerg are underpowered.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 01:46:25
July 17 2010 01:44 GMT
#37
As a random player, I'm amused by these stats. In 2v2s, I find it easy to barrel roll over any protoss in the early going.

On July 17 2010 09:53 Morphs wrote:
Considering the fact that diamond level players learn the races the fastest, is it safe to say that there's a reason why zerg is underrepresented? Could it be that at diamond level zerg is considered to weak compared to terran/protoss?


Over on Asia the roles are a bit reversed still. Lots of the top guys are playing zerg.
tathecat563
Profile Joined April 2010
United States96 Posts
July 17 2010 01:46 GMT
#38
How is zerg doing on the other servers atm? I recall them being the strongest on the Asian servers and that's with basically no changes to the balance of the three.
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moon`
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States372 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 01:48:21
July 17 2010 01:47 GMT
#39
I'm not surprised. Lots of newer players tend to follow with the "cool" alien race with all the neat tech stuff, so Protoss is quite popular both in BW and SC2. Then, lots of people are familiar with their own race (obviously) and possibly enjoy the straightforward feel to the mechanics. Then there's the Zerg, which is not so straightforward and thus yields less popularity.
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trueaspects
Profile Joined February 2010
United States36 Posts
July 17 2010 01:54 GMT
#40
On July 17 2010 10:42 DarthLeader wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:14 FatkiddsLag wrote:
A thread was created with a list of all the known diamond league players. http://sc2.vacau.com/sc2/index.php

I decided to go through each of the top 100 players and see what races they are. Here are my findings.

Protoss: 38

Terran: 36

Zerg: 22

Random: 4


Also, I found these surprising. I'll soon get a bigger pool of maybe the top 1000.

Edit: I quickly went through the next 100. so here is a pool of the top 200 players.

Protoss: 75

Terran: 68

Zerg: 47

Random: 10

this is boring so im going to take a break.


This just prooves that zerg are underpowered.


i believe in asia, zerg is more represented in the top than either terran or protoss.
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