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Surrealz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States449 Posts
July 17 2010 02:02 GMT
#41
These numbers are fun to throw around, but just know that they mean nothing, as it is irrelevant to actual game balance. Statistics tells us not to be so keen to say that "well, terran is fine cause its not played as much as protoss".

Its kind of like hunters in s8 of WoW, they were overpowered but no one played them. (sorry for non wow players, basically hunters were awesome but no one rolled one cause they were boring).
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FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
July 17 2010 16:07 GMT
#42
actually according to the blizzard executives that were on the best buy live chat, terran is the most played race
peachsncream
Profile Joined April 2010
United States289 Posts
July 17 2010 16:13 GMT
#43
it's still beta, there are still tons of changes/strats not yet found out, so these numbers aren't really important. Not to mention the matching system is wierd... ( on a 14 win streak in diamond with like a 450 rating and i match a silver league player with a 50% record and hes slightly favored? and his rating was lower aswell) Then there is the bonus pool which completely changes things even more... atleast there isnt decay, like in wc3 where you had to play 10 games a week or you lose exp
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invasmani
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 16:29:10
July 17 2010 16:13 GMT
#44
I quickly parsed the csv file at starcraftrankings (which says that it has 98%+ of the players in US/EU Silver+ and above) and found that there are 1062 Protoss, 889 Terran, 834 Zerg, and 425 Random players, for anyone who's interested.
Thoreezhea1
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States532 Posts
July 17 2010 16:14 GMT
#45
odd that in both of those polls that the order is protoss, terran, zerg, random.....

for starcraft 3 do you think there will be 4 races?????? lol
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Pking
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden142 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 16:29:12
July 17 2010 16:26 GMT
#46
That the Terran is the most played race combined with the fact that it is still not no1 on the list should be some indication that Terran is not overpowered. That said, not sure how many in the top 100 chooses race based on how powerfull they are.

Edit: nm. Read invasmani's post above. Apparently protoss is the most played race.
Tookie22
Profile Joined May 2010
United States187 Posts
July 17 2010 16:27 GMT
#47
everyone says that asian zergs are so good id really like to see this kind of data from the asian ladder so we can get some concrete evidense as to why or why not
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Ossian
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden88 Posts
July 17 2010 16:28 GMT
#48
this is no basis to form an opinion on whether a race is OP or not....

what it shows is probably more like; how fun is the race to play in terms of, do you feel like you have many options to vary your gameplay

and in this regard zerg DOES do the worst no questions asked...
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schiznak
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia258 Posts
July 17 2010 16:36 GMT
#49
On July 17 2010 10:01 professorjoak wrote:
Congrats to dayvie for crushing his way into #21 with random race and only 43 games played. That's awesome. I was skeptical back when they released the alpha battle reports how well David Kim would do versus the top players, and it's great to see he's doing just fantastic.


I played him on the ladder in a zvz, he did a nydus roach queen push, it was cool, i had never seen it before
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CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
July 17 2010 16:37 GMT
#50
On July 17 2010 10:01 arnold(soTa) wrote:
I do not understand how anyone could claim that terran macro is more straightforward than protoss...
warpgates? no scv building? dont have to return to base to mule.... no annoying addons messing up ctrlgroups.

Not saying P is OP, that is another debate.



But you have to return to base to Chronoboost and most of the time to warp in more units (and if u got proxy Pylons u have to return to them). Doing rallypoints to the front and just klick your buildings and produce something seems more straight forward to me than warpgating to a Pylon somewhere on the map.
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
July 17 2010 16:39 GMT
#51
On July 18 2010 01:13 invasmani wrote:
I quickly parsed the csv file at starcraftrankings (which says that it has 98%+ of the players in US/EU Silver+ and above) and found that there are 1062 Protoss, 889 Terran, 834 Zerg, and 425 Random players, for anyone who's interested.


these numbers cant be right because there are over 3500 players in the known diamond leagues alone.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
July 17 2010 16:43 GMT
#52
Why so few zerg? Hmm
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Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
July 17 2010 16:48 GMT
#53
On July 17 2010 09:47 superman. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:44 FatkiddsLag wrote:
On July 17 2010 09:43 Empyrean wrote:
On July 17 2010 09:39 Nal_rAwr wrote:
it was like this in BW too

protoss is the most straight-forward

terran is a little less straight-forward

and zerg is the least straight-forward

people are going to change, and later on in the highest level, zerg is going to OP the crap out of all the other races


I'd actually argue that Terran is more straight-forward than Protoss is, especially in their macro mechanic.


Terran is straight forward macro because they can build anything. so just do 1/1/1. Protoss has to commit to something


Protoss can chronoboost probes, put gates anywhere, not build units in battles, and then boom, 13 zealots warping in... I believe protoss is by far easier to macro than terran.



Sure, you can do that, but if you do then you'll still be 1 production cycle behind than if you had macroed in battle. It's exactly the same as terran macro except the wait time is after production instead of before it. They're a lot more similar than you might think.
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 17 2010 16:49 GMT
#54
recently made the switch from protoss to terran and i find the mechanics a lot more satisfying to play. switching tech is more forgiving then protoss and there is a lot of versatiliy. plus the passive/active-harass playstyle suits me better.

imho zerg is the hardest race to master since its a reactionary race where it rewards you for the on the spot thinking. its mechanics are quite foreign compared to the other races and you have so much to focus on like spawn larvae, spreading creep, overlord positioning and when to macro/build army. i dont think i'll ever fully grasp playing it.
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
July 17 2010 16:51 GMT
#55
Suprised that there are only 10 randoms in 200 ( and i am one of them ^^ actually the third one) and i am not suprised that there are so little zergs. It's actually really hard to play it versus terran and protoss. What's more some people might be bored by ling/bane in ZvZ even if, what i can say from the experience, is not the only option!
Playing zerg i find it quite hard to play vs Protoss, and lately it's not that hard against terran after u find some kind of strategic build.
Right now i find Terran a little bit 'too able' to switch between different paths of tech.
From tank you can go into cloak banshee in less than 2 minutes then turn into mass viking and MMM... that's quite funny.
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invasmani
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3 Posts
July 17 2010 16:53 GMT
#56
On July 18 2010 01:39 FatkiddsLag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 01:13 invasmani wrote:
I quickly parsed the csv file at starcraftrankings (which says that it has 98%+ of the players in US/EU Silver+ and above) and found that there are 1062 Protoss, 889 Terran, 834 Zerg, and 425 Random players, for anyone who's interested.


these numbers cant be right because there are over 3500 players in the known diamond leagues alone.


You're right, it appears the file I was using was incomplete. My mistake.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
July 17 2010 16:55 GMT
#57
The maps are dreadful.
No, the maps are fucking dreadful.

These stats are completely pointless without map stats. As soon as Blizzard lets the community off its leash the maps will be bigger, more defensive and cheese will become more difficult.
Once that happens we'll see how good the balance is.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Ossian
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden88 Posts
July 17 2010 16:56 GMT
#58
On July 18 2010 01:55 Klive5ive wrote:
The maps are dreadful.
No, the maps are fucking dreadful.

These stats are completely pointless without map stats. As soon as Blizzard lets the community off its leash the maps will be bigger, more defensive and cheese will become more difficult.
Once that happens we'll see how good the balance is.

yeah I can see zerg would do a lot better in those kinds of maps
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allowicious
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States972 Posts
July 17 2010 16:58 GMT
#59
On July 18 2010 01:07 FatkiddsLag wrote:
actually according to the blizzard executives that were on the best buy live chat, terran is the most played race


I wouldn't be surprised if this is the way they want it. Since the first set of the trilogy is "Wings of Liberty," the majority of newcomers will be blasting through the campaign as Terran, and then try to go online with whatever basic knowledge they have with Terran. I'm not saying Terran is OP, but I do feel Blizzard is not as willing to nerf Terran as they are with Protoss and Zerg. I think they are trying to make it as "friendly" as possibly for new people learning the game, so the new players won't be completely discouraged when going online for the first time. I'm sure when the other two expansions are released, things will balance out much better (in terms of racial balance and gameplay balance).
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kawazu
Profile Joined May 2010
United States111 Posts
July 17 2010 17:04 GMT
#60
This data doesn't surprise me all that much.

As others have said, Protoss has the easiest macro mechanic. If you screw up and aren't prepared for something, you can usually warp in something to help you because the gateway units are so versatile. You can use chrono boost pretty frequently, so if you use it needlessly it's not a huge deal.

Terran macro requires you to constantly be building units and it requires a little forethought as to what you will need to build. OC abilities are very useful but you really need to control when you use them.

Zerg probably has the most intensive macro mechanics. You are forced to constantly use the queens spawn larva, which is aggravating. More importantly, your unit production interferes with your drone production which makes Zerg play more complicated.
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