I don't know if I understand your point. By your description, in both scenarios the replay folder is useless. To derive use from it you would have to manually rename and file replays according to some criteria. Its just that in the old configuration you had the option of seeing every game you ever played and the only downside was a few less megabytes of free space on your drive. I think it's worth it.

You should try sc gears. It is targeted towards pro players. Blizzard wouldn't spend so much effort on a product for so little people. The killer feature is an AMP vs time chart.

I don't see where the confusion is.

In the new scheme, a player saves replays based on some kind of criteria they establish. This might mean saving 10-15% of the games played / observed. This makes finding a certain replay easier, since instead of 1000 replays, you're sifting through 100.

In the old way, a player has ALL their replays saved, even UMS games, games that lasted 2 seconds, etc...

In the latter case, the replays become hard to manage. There is literally 1000+ replays to scroll through, and it is more difficult to find something in particular, this is the downside.

I wouldn't mind an auto-save option, but I would definitely turn it off. There should just be a save replay option in the score screen (I think this was there in patch 15?).

I've tried SC2 gears out. I found the interface to be pretty clunky. I'll wait until it gets refined.

ssnseawolf

32 Posts

July 09 2010 20:21 GMT

#45

On July 10 2010 02:20 MasterJack wrote:
at 50kb/replay ... yuo can get ~20/meg ... that's 5,000 replays per 100GB, at 20mins/replay that's 1,667 hours of starcraft or .2years of playime.

The more you know! (not sure of the exact time/size ratio ... but close enough)

If each replay is 50 KB then 100 GB would equal 2,097,152 replays.

Which is, you know, a lot of replays.

Ouga

Finland645 Posts

July 09 2010 20:45 GMT

#46

On July 10 2010 03:07 jamesr12 wrote:
Its not a big deal to me, 10 replays is plenty to decide if you want to save it or not. Personally i only got 230gb on my computer (its a laptop). I dont want to have to through and delete replays, id rather have it be somehwere between 10-100

I've 2200 reps from beta on comp, they take 252 MB total. It'd be surprising if I managed to mass games even to match 1 GB of space, ever? I couldn't think of better use for 1GB of stuff than SC2 reps, even if I unlikely ever checked them. It's a catalog of what you've done in a game, game history. I for one appreciate the ability to look up a game from any given time.

There's really no sense to not have at least option to autosave all reps. It should be automatical, because more people will be sad to notice they could've had their first games up for viewing, than those who'll be happy for not having to use 5secs to remove 90% of them at any point. It's not even close, autosave as option should 100% of people agree on, autosave as default option should 50%+ agree on.

nttea

Sweden4353 Posts

July 09 2010 20:52 GMT

#47

i would like it best if i got prompted after every game: Save replay? Y/N

Zerluth

Argentina78 Posts

July 09 2010 20:54 GMT

#48

You can still save them manually, both at the end of the match and later in the replays section; maybe 25 is not an ideal number, but we'll have to be used to as soon as a game worth rewatching finishes to save the replay, just make it automatically, like when making probes.

wooozy

3813 Posts

July 09 2010 21:30 GMT

#49

i keep forgetting to save them at score screen

so not used to this

cocosoft

Sweden1068 Posts

July 09 2010 22:05 GMT

#50

On July 09 2010 13:30 Raydog wrote:
Replays aren't autosaved to your computer's recent replays folder anymore. instead, they are saved to the server

WOAH this is great news!!
(EDIT: If you understand why)

On July 10 2010 03:41 mnck wrote:
They will most likely make an autosave replay option like they did with WC3. WC3 doesn't autosave replays either by default.

Actually, I think in the recent patches that this was changed to default.

Azile

United States339 Posts

July 09 2010 23:49 GMT

#51

I'm having problems just viewing replays.. did they change the spot to put them in to view?

I'm using Vista 64 and dumping them in Documents\Starcraft II Beta\Replays\Multiplayer just like I did in phase 1 and they aren't showing up in-game.

edit: Figured it out.. i'm dumb. You have to 'keep' a replay before it will create a Multiplayer folder at the new location listed on page 1. Then you just dump in that one.

hiddencamper

49 Posts

July 10 2010 00:15 GMT

#52

there have been many times where i go back and im like "oh crap, i encountered this situation like 3 weeks ago and I want to see what I did to win" or "i did this to another guy 3 weeks ago and how did he beat me" and i pull up an old replay i didnt save initially.

usually i only save things i really want. but at the same time, there is a LOT to gain by having all replays saved

Williowa

129 Posts

July 10 2010 00:27 GMT

#53

You guys, seriously this isn't a question of you not being able to have your replays.

THIS IS blizzard's first attempt at limiting the user generated comment that you created, but THEY OWN. I'm sure it will make it easier for them to figure out who is pirating user generated content from the servers and turning it into videos on youtube without their consent.

I could be wrong, but I bet my starcraft 2 game that this was implemented because these are replays blizzard owns, not the user.

StaR_Robo

Australia229 Posts

July 10 2010 00:34 GMT

#54

If you look at the new replays folder there is a sub-folder called Multiplayer and one called Unsaved (at least that is what I have atm). This system isn't that different to the one many other games have had I think. If you don't specifically save a game at the end of the match it stays in your Unsaved folder. If you do save it then it goes in your Mutliplayer folder or where ever you choose to put it since I'm pretty sure you can use sub-folders to organise your games. The limit of 25 should only apply to games you don't specifically save yourself and you can go back and save them later if you want. In Age of Empires III and Age of Mythology the system was pretty much the same but the limit for unsaved games was only 10.

shinosai

United States1577 Posts

July 10 2010 00:51 GMT

#55

I liked the old system that saved all your replays. The only problem was the naming process was poorly done. Something simple to say the date, the format (1v1, 2v2, ffa), and the race matchup (zvz, ztvpt, etc) would be nice.

Subversive

Australia2229 Posts

July 10 2010 00:54 GMT

#56

Blizzard continues to amaze me with the changes they implement like this. I for one would like my replays. Auto-save didn't fill up my hard-drive in 2001, now that I have about 10 times the memory I'm pretty sure I can find the room for them

DeCoup

Australia1933 Posts

July 10 2010 01:15 GMT

#57

My phase 1 recent replays folder had just over 700 games and was around 70mb. They are small but it adds up fast, considering that I was working full time and have my playtime limited by my wife (lol) I can see this folder getting very big for some people very fast. (Especially if they play mainly 2v2 or FFA which have much much larger file sizes than 1v1 by comparison).

I don't think the average gamer would want every game they ever played saved, so I don't mind the system only keeping around 25 at a time (tho I would make it last 100 personally) but an option would be nice.

For the rest of us I can guarantee that a program will pop up shortly which auto copy-pastes replays out of your recent folder to another location. We already had programs which auto-rename the replays for us. There will no doubt be one which both renames and moves replays to a safe folder as they appear.

Ownos

United States2147 Posts

July 10 2010 01:57 GMT

#58

I doubt a bunch of replays will fill someone's hard drive up or even take up significant space considering the crappiest of computers come with at least 500 GBs.

Edit: Wow a whole 70 MB? That's a lot of floppies!

tubs

764 Posts

July 10 2010 04:07 GMT

#59

They need to give us the option to autosave all our replays again, even if we have to hand edit some text config file. These days 1000+ gigabyte drives are common, so it's not like we'll run out of space even after years of games.

chekthehek

United States279 Posts

July 10 2010 06:28 GMT

#60

On July 10 2010 13:07 tubs wrote:
They need to give us the option to autosave all our replays again, even if we have to hand edit some text config file. These days 1000+ gigabyte drives are common, so it's not like we'll run out of space even after years of games.

yup, they def. should have added an option to cancel / enable it. automatically saving replays was one of my favorite features of the game, every now and then i would just look at random games to see how i won / loss, but now i cant do that anymore, unless i save everysingle one.

which i dont exactly feel like doing after raging when i lose ;p