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Lovedrop
Profile Joined April 2010
2629 Posts
July 05 2010 01:55 GMT
#21
Can we get a list of the EU/NA players who were involved in this ?
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heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
July 05 2010 01:58 GMT
#22
dayfly was a wc3 pro.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-05 02:01:35
July 05 2010 02:00 GMT
#23
On July 05 2010 10:55 kino.heezy wrote:
Can we get a list of the EU/NA players who were involved in this ?

Apparently the ones involved, were under NDA.

On July 05 2010 10:43 Anfere wrote:
Show nested quote +
They seriously said this? O_o Seems like a strange thing to say outright.

That's what i got from the translation, which can be inaccurate but the sentences talking about that subject were pretty accurately translated.

So in a balance talk when they say no one is allowed to talk about what have been said but we will reveal later all the positive stuff the players said, i only conclude that they won't release anything negative that have been said about their game.

Can positive be exchanged for "constructive"?
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Anfere
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada231 Posts
July 05 2010 02:08 GMT
#24
Probably, i used the words used by the translator but yeah it can definitely be constructive which would have more sense.
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InfiniteIce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States794 Posts
July 05 2010 02:12 GMT
#25
I hope it's constructive.

Not releasing "negative" things is stupid.

Not releasing "unconstructive" things is...good.

Thanks Heosat.
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NEWater
Profile Joined June 2010
Singapore178 Posts
July 05 2010 02:17 GMT
#26
It's a typically Asian thing to let only the positive stuff be put in public, and if I'm not wrong, even more so a Korean thing. The attitude of deference to one's seniors or superiors is very strong in Asian culture, as opposed to the mostly egalitarian culture that Westerners are used to.

If anyone needs a good example of how this culture is illustrated, does anyone remember Korean Air's atrocious airline crash record? Those crashes happened frequently because the co-pilot's job was to correct the Captain if something went wrong, but in almost all of these crashes, the co-pilot just shut up to avoid offending the Captain. It stopped happening when the airline had a cultural overhaul and today, people have pretty much forgotten about Korean Air's 80s-90s transgressions.

So guys, don't be too surprised or unhappy if the negative feedback is redacted in the official transcript. Because as much as Blizzard is a 'western' company per se, that interview is for the Korean audience.
QueueQueue
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada1000 Posts
July 05 2010 02:19 GMT
#27
Hopefully they can get productive, useful feedback from this.
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
July 05 2010 02:26 GMT
#28
If anything it's looking like Starcraft 2 will have a bright future. Blizzard are really pushing to make a quality product (gripes about Bnet 2.0 aside).
Ighox
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway580 Posts
July 05 2010 02:31 GMT
#29
On July 05 2010 10:46 oursblanc wrote:
It's great to see how seriously Blizzard are taking the balance.

Indeed, it's also great that map balance seem to have been a big subject there, especially since most Blizzard maps in the past have been pretty bad for competive play.
Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-05 02:32:07
July 05 2010 02:31 GMT
#30
On July 05 2010 11:12 InfiniteIce wrote:
I hope it's constructive.

Not releasing "negative" things is stupid.

Not releasing "unconstructive" things is...good.

Thanks Heosat.

you sir, are right! i'd be interested to see what the players had to say about the negative in sc2 that we know that some of us weren't the only ones that might've though, "oh hey this here is pretty retarded, the idea of it was great, but you went about it all wrong" and stuff like that
On July 05 2010 10:25 kzn wrote:
BW progamers wouldn't have much of an idea how to help balance SC2 - if you brought them in from the very start they could have looked at a new unit and been like "well this will be good against X, bad against Y, balance issues A B and C" but Blizzard can't make huge changes, so its a much better idea to be asking the best players of the game thats actually in question what they can fix and what needs work.

i'm gonna say you're wrong. people that played bw jumped into sc2 and got used to it pretty easily, at least i did and a few of my friends. although i do agree that talking to players that are the best in sc2 through the beta is a good idea, but i think it's silly they just asked any progamer who doesn't have experience in rts
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zqfmgb
Profile Joined July 2010
United States34 Posts
July 05 2010 02:36 GMT
#31
On July 05 2010 10:39 atarianimo wrote:
A little off-topic but could someone translate what the anime overlord that's puking creep on that website is saying?

Overlord: I drank too much yesterday...?
Bottom left: What's this?! (What the hell is this?!)
Vomit: Boo ackk (sound effect)
Bottom right: Argh!
YoonHo
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1043 Posts
July 05 2010 02:38 GMT
#32
I hope this will help the game tremendously. Blizzard doing lots of work!
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mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
July 05 2010 03:29 GMT
#33
I seriously hope Blizzard had collected feedbacks and ideas from the progamers earlier (by earlier I mean during 2006~2008). Would be alarmingly late if this is the first time they did it.
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zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
July 05 2010 03:33 GMT
#34
On July 05 2010 12:29 mrdx wrote:
I seriously hope Blizzard had collected feedbacks and ideas from the progamers earlier (by earlier I mean during 2006~2008). Would be alarmingly late if this is the first time they did it.


Nah, I remembered a couple of years ago, they invited each pro team to send 1 or 2 players to go to a convention to try out SC2. It was one of the first videos on YouTube with top tier players such as bisu, sAviOr, NaDa, etc playing the game.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
July 05 2010 03:37 GMT
#35
On July 05 2010 10:53 NuKedUFirst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2010 10:51 jamesr12 wrote:
I have heard of all these people except:

Yigwanwoo (Ozil)
Yijungheon (DayFly.Prime)

[image loading]DayFly played in the euro vs. Asia tournament, He is pretty good, not sure who Ozil is, poor guy doesn't even have a wiki.

[image loading]
nextstep
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada705 Posts
July 05 2010 03:42 GMT
#36
On July 05 2010 12:37 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2010 10:53 NuKedUFirst wrote:
On July 05 2010 10:51 jamesr12 wrote:
I have heard of all these people except:

Yigwanwoo (Ozil)
Yijungheon (DayFly.Prime)

[image loading]DayFly played in the euro vs. Asia tournament, He is pretty good, not sure who Ozil is, poor guy doesn't even have a wiki.

[image loading]


yea, was just about to post something to that extent

seen him a few times in this WC.
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kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
July 05 2010 03:56 GMT
#37
On July 05 2010 11:31 Sephy69 wrote:i'm gonna say you're wrong. people that played bw jumped into sc2 and got used to it pretty easily, at least i did and a few of my friends. although i do agree that talking to players that are the best in sc2 through the beta is a good idea, but i think it's silly they just asked any progamer who doesn't have experience in rts


Yes, but BW progamers have, for the most part, almost no SC2 experience so far, except for IdrA. You don't ask people to balance a game they've never/barely played, no matter how good they are at another game.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-05 04:04:51
July 05 2010 03:56 GMT
#38
Very good news, I hope this factual evidence will help to reduce the claims that Blizzard has distanced itself from the Starcraft community, doesn't care about the top players, but just pleasing the average-low skill players, does not work seriously on making SC2 a good game etc. Only this part is a bit weird:
On July 05 2010 10:14 Anfere wrote:
they will release an official transcript of the reunion but only the positive points and the stuff that the players liked will be displayed ...
I guess they mean to avoid spoiling their long-term balancing plans. But then it would put the few people, who've been there, to some advantage about what to expect from future editions, hence also what playing styles to develop. I think eventually the whole information should be made public, it won't even work to attempt to hide it for too long.
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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 05 2010 04:05 GMT
#39
Why is everyone saying they want BW players there?

What good would that be?

Obviously they're going to call in the people who have been playing the game thats actually being discussed ^_^
Qzy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Denmark1121 Posts
July 05 2010 04:10 GMT
#40
I see the google translator didn't do the names well... Yijungheon, Hwanggyuhun ..

Or...! It must be encoded! *ponder*
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