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Baksteen
Netherlands438 Posts
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Latham
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im a roc
United States745 Posts
On July 01 2010 20:54 Latham wrote: Nyaaa such a long wall of text, but sooo worth the read. Good food for thought. It just got me more pumped to play SC2's campaign >.< Yeah, if this kind of information doesn't keep you looking forward to single player, then nothing will :p | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
On July 01 2010 16:47 Boblion wrote: Really good post. I seriously hope that Blizzard won't ruin the storyline with tons of cliches and a predictable plot. There are many interesting things to discover ... Also i would prefer no explanations about Duran's true nature than some bs about Duran being a Xelnaga. I guess Duran is the Gman of StarCraft. Damn! Gman is the most mysterious character of all time! | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11112 Posts
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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LordofAscension
United States589 Posts
~LoA | ||
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im a roc
United States745 Posts
On July 01 2010 23:55 MamiyaOtaru wrote: love this kind of thing. Since you put so much work into it, let's get those last details hammered out. "rouge" is a type of makeup (or a color). Han Solo was a "rogue". "rogue tribes" please I didn't write this, but I noticed the same thing. There are a few little typos in there, but nothing that makes it too hard to understand, except for the fact that a lot of this is just plain hard to understand :x | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
Kind of off topic, but I see an opportunity for single player DLC or a custom campaign that explores ancient protoss history, severance from the Khala, and the Aeon of Strife. Seems like there's a lot of rich story to be expanded there. | ||
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im a roc
United States745 Posts
On July 02 2010 03:53 Drowsy wrote: That was an amazing read. The part about Duran's true origins was awesome, I totally just assumed he was an infested terran. Kind of off topic, but I see an opportunity for single player DLC or a custom campaign that explores ancient protoss history, severance from the Khala, and the Aeon of Strife. Seems like there's a lot of rich story to be expanded there. Hopefully some of this will be touched on in the Protoss campaign. They've said that the three campaigns (WoL, WotS, and LotV) won't be in the same format, so it is possible that there could be some sweet flashback missions at some point in the toss (and maybe even zerg) campaign. | ||
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Windblade
United States161 Posts
I'm curious as to what you're belief is of the Xel"naga's return, if the previous/original generation is truly returning what exactly is their purpose? I find it REALLY hard to believe they are going to destroy the Protoss, or anything for that matter - however as you stated they may come back to take back control of Toss and Zerg so that they can coexist peacefully and gradually evolve as intended. Of couse then there's Duran - is it possible that the Xel'Naga actually have some kind of ancient enemy or something? It's prossible Duran works for them? Anyway, very well done | ||
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jtgizmo
Congo161 Posts
im not mad or anything, found it rather interesting, but i sure wouldve preferred to find out whats going on in first 3 missions on my own | ||
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JHancho
United States166 Posts
Great read. Long read. Worth it. Last time I played through the campaign was... more that 8 years ago. I don't think I absorbed about half of the stuff that happened in the game anyway, so it's wonderful to have it all in one place like that. On July 02 2010 04:41 Windblade wrote: Of couse then there's Duran - is it possible that the Xel'Naga actually have some kind of ancient enemy or something? It's prossible Duran works for them? +1 Why does the cycle end anyway? Is it lifespan, or something else? Sort of like Mass Effect and the Reapers...? | ||
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RodrigoX
United States645 Posts
DC5 here from that site. | ||
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LordofAscension
United States589 Posts
On July 02 2010 05:08 RodrigoX wrote: Yeah our Roland is a total baller. DC5 here from that site. lol - but Roland is SC:L's now  And for everyone interested in lore see this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133508 ~LoA | ||
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Roland07
United States6 Posts
On the subject of Duran being an enemy to the Xel'naga: I'm quoting from memory, so this may be a bit off, but Duran says something like "My masters are far more powerful than Kerrigan, and reflected by the creature within that cell." Point being he believes the hybrids are the next generation of his masters. This gives us two options. Duran is either delusional, and unaware he is actually countering the Cycle with his hybrids, or the Xel'naga have an evil (or good) twin-race, which have appeared in every Cycle, and who Duran is actively, and consciously serving. The Twin-race can't technically be ruled out, but are extremely unlikely. The Voice in The Darkness comic makes the point that the Xel'naga hold life as absolutely sacred, and will not destroy it if at all possible. The Xel'naga would be the only ones capable of combating their theoretical twin-race, but unwilling to do so. Clearly, this raises the question of where the twin species is, and why there is no evidence of them in our galaxy. One thing which should be established first though is that the theoretical twin species are the bad guys. The hybrids and the vat creatures drew reaction of mass revulsion from everyone who came in contact with them, and the Cycle is supposed to be a good thing, unless there's a big twist at some point, which I can't possibly predict. You can find a way to justify the absence of evidence by saying they simply never left their galaxy of origin or some other species killed them, but Duran's origins become inexplicable when you start doing that. He would have had to follow the Xel'naga to the Milky Way, as it's extremely unlikely there would be any information in our galaxy relating to the twin-species, at least which paints them in a positive light. So why follow the Xel'naga, and start a new generation of their enemies, when you clearly have the capacity to simply chase them down? The only explanation is that they were wiped out, and needed a new generation, which is very improbable. The Xel'naga wouldn't do it, and no one else would really be able to, unless they're weaker than they should be by the lore. Not to mention is leaves no apparent source for Duran to learn about them. Two more things, Zamara obviously didn't know anything about any twin species, which isn't much of an issue, but is worth noting. Duran also mentioned that his master's were waking up in Dark Origin. As previously established, because there is no evidence of them in our galaxy, the twin-species would need to be dead or far, far away. They probably wouldn't be in stasis in another galaxy, waiting on events in this galaxy. If that were true they would probably come here, then go into stasis. Even with hyper-advanced technology, hopping from galaxy to galaxy can't be so easy it's negligible to your timing push on your enemy. That may have been extremely unclear, but the point is that the only enemy the Xel'naga could have, that would be reflected by the hybrids, is a twin species. They don't have a twin species, as evidenced by the total absence of evidence for them. The absence of evidence can only be explained by the idea that they're dead, which is improbable, because nothing is capable and willing to fight them, or that they are far away, which is totally illogical and silly, if they're trying to destroy the Xel'naga. Duran is confused, not evil. He probably found partial information on the Xel'naga from some Khaydarin crystals and went fanatic. | ||
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im a roc
United States745 Posts
On July 02 2010 08:12 Roland07 wrote: FYI everyone, that article will be a year old on the 20th, and as LoA has made clear, my staff position is being switched to SC-L. The transfer is largely because on SC2A, I only used my staff powers a couple times a year there, making them near pointless. On the subject of Duran being an enemy to the Xel'naga: I'm quoting from memory, so this may be a bit off, but Duran says something like "My masters are far more powerful than Kerrigan, and reflected by the creature within that cell." Point being he believes the hybrids are the next generation of his masters. This gives us two options. Duran is either delusional, and unaware he is actually countering the Cycle with his hybrids, or the Xel'naga have an evil (or good) twin-race, which have appeared in every Cycle, and who Duran is actively, and consciously serving. The Twin-race can't technically be ruled out, but are extremely unlikely. The Voice in The Darkness comic makes the point that the Xel'naga hold life as absolutely sacred, and will not destroy it if at all possible. The Xel'naga would be the only ones capable of combating their theoretical twin-race, but unwilling to do so. Clearly, this raises the question of where the twin species is, and why there is no evidence of them in our galaxy. One thing which should be established first though is that the theoretical twin species are the bad guys. The hybrids and the vat creatures drew reaction of mass revulsion from everyone who came in contact with them, and the Cycle is supposed to be a good thing, unless there's a big twist at some point, which I can't possibly predict. You can find a way to justify the absence of evidence by saying they simply never left their galaxy of origin or some other species killed them, but Duran's origins become inexplicable when you start doing that. He would have had to follow the Xel'naga to the Milky Way, as it's extremely unlikely there would be any information in our galaxy relating to the twin-species, at least which paints them in a positive light. So why follow the Xel'naga, and start a new generation of their enemies, when you clearly have the capacity to simply chase them down? The only explanation is that they were wiped out, and needed a new generation, which is very improbable. The Xel'naga wouldn't do it, and no one else would really be able to, unless they're weaker than they should be by the lore. Not to mention is leaves no apparent source for Duran to learn about them. Two more things, Zamara obviously didn't know anything about any twin species, which isn't much of an issue, but is worth noting. Duran also mentioned that his master's were waking up in Dark Origin. As previously established, because there is no evidence of them in our galaxy, the twin-species would need to be dead or far, far away. They probably wouldn't be in stasis in another galaxy, waiting on events in this galaxy. If that were true they would probably come here, then go into stasis. Even with hyper-advanced technology, hopping from galaxy to galaxy can't be so easy it's negligible to your timing push on your enemy. That may have been extremely unclear, but the point is that the only enemy the Xel'naga could have, that would be reflected by the hybrids, is a twin species. They don't have a twin species, as evidenced by the total absence of evidence for them. The absence of evidence can only be explained by the idea that they're dead, which is improbable, because nothing is capable and willing to fight them, or that they are far away, which is totally illogical and silly, if they're trying to destroy the Xel'naga. Duran is confused, not evil. He probably found partial information on the Xel'naga from some Khaydarin crystals and went fanatic. Why is it not a possibility that Duran could himself be a Xel'Naga? I also haven't read the recent comics with the Voice in the Darkness, so I didn't learn that the Xel'Naga were so pacifistic. Does this mean that there is little or no possibility that the Xel'Naga would merge the Zerg and Protoss, thus creating the next generation of Xel'Naga, by force? If that is unlikely, that would mess up my understanding of much of the story that is to come, and I did state that the Xel'Naga are likely to be very hostile when they arrive or awake in the Koprulu Sector in THIS little article that I just finished writing. Also, I'm impressed that you found this, made an account, and wrote up that post so quickly, too. I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed that article since I found it about six months ago. Kudos to you. | ||
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Roland07
United States6 Posts
Sorry, but the Xel'naga are pretty much confirmed pacifists. I won't spoil the Voice in the Darkness frontline comic, but that they refuse to destroy life. That's probably why both the Protoss and the Zerg could all but completely wipe them out, despite being far less advanced than they were in Brood Wars. The Hybrids are the real boogie-men. They can probably destroy the already crippled Zerg, Protoss, and Terran without some sort of extra intervention. Duran is probably not a Xel'naga for a number of reasons. He refers to himself as a servant of a "Far-greater power" implying he's not even on it's level, and he doesn't mention himself being connected to the hybrid he's creating at all. His apparent disillusionment about the nature of the Cycle is also inexplicable if he's a legitimate Xel'naga. + Show Spoiler + There's also been some hints that it's the same set of individuals being reincarnated in each generation of the Xel'naga. For one, Zeratul says the new Xel'naga are hosts in Twilight, and Zamara doesn't contradict him if you check the wording. The SC comic also featured a Xel'naga crystal some Dark Templar referred to as an "energy fossil" or "soul," possibly implying they maintain their individual essence for the next generation. Duran's confusion is impossible if that's true. On the combing of the Zerg and Protoss for the new Xel'naga: + Show Spoiler + Zamara pretty clearly states in Twilight that the combination of species is slow, and gradual over aeons, possibly using the energy creatures to gather the DNA of the Protoss and Zerg to be combined in an unknown location for the next generation of Xel'naga, or the hosts of the old. So it's not violent at all, that's what's wrong with Duran, if you imagine the Zerg and Protoss as two sides of a zipper, the Xel'naga are slowly drawing the clamp over it, combining them perfectly over time. Duran is just taking both halves and shoving them together for something like the end-result, but clearly flawed, and ultimately a problem. The violent combination is Duran's thing. That's another reason why he's probably not a Xel'naga, he's extremely violent in his methods compared to them. On | ||
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