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On June 17 2010 10:17 Tyraz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 10:13 Archerofaiur wrote:On June 17 2010 10:10 Tyraz wrote:On June 17 2010 10:07 Archerofaiur wrote:On June 17 2010 09:49 Tyraz wrote:
I, for one, agree. The kid has a point; business is business. You can't expect to have full unrestricted cross region play with different business models for each region. They do have a right to make money from a game they made (contrary to what the train of thought tends to be in the rage threads). If the ragers think they've got it all sorted, then how about suggesting how the business model would work before jumping up and down about 'your rights as a gamer' and 'what the community wants'. Um I have kinda...um a crazy ..um idea. How about charging money for new and extra features instead of removing features and then putting them back in for a fee? Uhm I have kinda..um a crazy ..um idea. How about reading why this is a problem and what they are trying to do before suggesting that the world is the same as it was 15 years ago  We don't all earn the same $$ per week. If you had the same price, then it's not fair for the poorer countries (and blizzard would make less money) Oh I fully realize how ingenous the marketing guys were to come up with this scenario. Because different countries having different weekly wages is a theoretical marketing model that doesn't really exist in the real world. How silly of me to forget that that was an abstract concept and has nothing to do with reality.
They could easily charge a price for cheaper editions to switch regions, as I outlined.
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Hooboy. Pleasepleaseplease cross region play. Activision, are you listening?
/fingers crossed
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On June 17 2010 10:13 Spawkuring wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 10:10 hacpee wrote:
Activision blizzard has been monitizing this stuff since the merger. Look at wow and how the microtransactions started happening right when the merger began. WoW had microtransactions long before Activision.
It really took off after activision. Before, it was minor. Only after activision took off did they loosen the reigns.
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To outline what I/Half suggested earlier:
In this scenario we have 3 countries, creatively named A, B and C.
The average income of A is greater than B, and the average income of B is greater than the average income of C. You can assume transitivity; that A has, indeed, a greater average income than C.
All relative prices will be in one currency, $.
Theoretical costs per region:
A: $100
B: $60
C: $40
Now the proposed model would be a 'highest common denominator'. This is to stop people from exploiting the system, and to ensure that they don't become 'micro transactions'.
This mean:
A can play with A, B and C.
B can play with B and C
And C can only play with C.
So, in the following situation we have a customer who has bought a region C game:
He now wants to play in region B. So he pays the difference ($20).
After this, he finds he wants to play in A. So he pays the difference again ($40).
Note that should he wish to play in A, he will pay the difference ($60), but as this is higher than the cost to play in B, he can play in B as well.
Now, to appease the likes of Archer, this is NOT a 'microtransaction' model. If you want to play full cross region from the get go, simply buy region A and you will not be charged further. It simply prevents people from 'playing the system'.
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On June 17 2010 10:26 hacpee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 10:13 Spawkuring wrote:On June 17 2010 10:10 hacpee wrote:
Activision blizzard has been monitizing this stuff since the merger. Look at wow and how the microtransactions started happening right when the merger began. WoW had microtransactions long before Activision. It really took off after activision. Before, it was minor. Only after activision took off did they loosen the reigns.
Awesome, can we have some more inside info, I mean, you must work at Blizzard or something, right? I love inside information.
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lets just hope he doesnt now get fired by Kotick......
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Well, this is good news for the majority of us. Still sucks for people like IdrA who will want to play in tournaments immediately after launch and will therefore have to buy 3 copies of the game.
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Thankfully I will play on NA so I won't have to buy this little thing if it is priced, I refuse to use credit cards online for any reason.
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On June 17 2010 10:40 Kibibit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 10:26 hacpee wrote:On June 17 2010 10:13 Spawkuring wrote:On June 17 2010 10:10 hacpee wrote:
Activision blizzard has been monitizing this stuff since the merger. Look at wow and how the microtransactions started happening right when the merger began. WoW had microtransactions long before Activision. It really took off after activision. Before, it was minor. Only after activision took off did they loosen the reigns. Awesome, can we have some more inside info, I mean, you must work at Blizzard or something, right? I love inside information.
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The guy probably played WoW through the merger and noticed such changes. Don't be condescending.
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Probably going to be a pay feature, which is not unreasonable. What I think would be unreasonable is if you had to pay to add minutes (or just a monthly fee for cross-region play) to your account in non-native regions, although I doubt Blizzard would do that. It would limit cross-region traffic if they are concerned about stability issues but would also piss a lot of people off.
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i can easily outline their problem if noone has managed to do so accurately in this 6 pages of degen. (no offense intended)
from what ive read, the game will be free to play for NAmerica region after you purchase the title, everywhere else is going to have to pay to play, most likely monthy fee.
therefore, it is impossible for blizzivision to implement free cross-realm play for NA customers, because if they did everyone from the other regions would simply bypass the pay-to-play system by purchasing NA titles, then cross-realming to their local realm.
so you can expect the bare minimum cost for cross realm support to roughly equal whatever it costs to play the game monthly in the region you are wanting to play in, if you are from NA. as for those who are elsewhere, you can expect to pay, at a minimum, the difference, if any, between your monthly pay-to-play and the target realm's monthly. as for pay-to-play regions cross-realming to NA servers, im pretty sure theyll charge you something for this, just because they have to handle the transaction, and the increased server load/complexity of the service.
so in short, expect to pay for cross-realm, expect it to be a recurring payment, not a one-time deal.
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Awesome to hear, really hope something is done and you don't have to pay although thats wishful thinking. Worst comes to worst I hope its 5-10$, having to spend another dollar is pure fucking bullshit if its not an MMO, but whatever, 5-10$ is 'reasonable'
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On June 17 2010 11:22 Jollyburner wrote:
i can easily outline their problem if noone has managed to do so accurately in this 6 pages of degen. (no offense intended)
from what ive read, the game will be free to play for NAmerica region after you purchase the title, everywhere else is going to have to pay to play, most likely monthy fee.
therefore, it is impossible for blizzivision to implement free cross-realm play for NA customers, because if they did everyone from the other regions would simply bypass the pay-to-play system by purchasing NA titles, then cross-realming to their local realm.
so you can expect the bare minimum cost for cross realm support to roughly equal whatever it costs to play the game monthly in the region you are wanting to play in, if you are from NA. as for those who are elsewhere, you can expect to pay, at a minimum, the difference, if any, between your monthly pay-to-play and the target realm's monthly. as for pay-to-play regions cross-realming to NA servers, im pretty sure theyll charge you something for this, just because they have to handle the transaction, and the increased server load/complexity of the service.
so in short, expect to pay for cross-realm, expect it to be a recurring payment, not a one-time deal.
Except no. Sorry to pop your ego but NA is certainly not the only region unused to a pay to play system.
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On June 17 2010 11:22 Jollyburner wrote:
i can easily outline their problem if noone has managed to do so accurately in this 6 pages of degen. (no offense intended)
from what ive read, the game will be free to play for NAmerica region after you purchase the title, everywhere else is going to have to pay to play, most likely monthy fee.
therefore, it is impossible for blizzivision to implement free cross-realm play for NA customers, because if they did everyone from the other regions would simply bypass the pay-to-play system by purchasing NA titles, then cross-realming to their local realm.
so you can expect the bare minimum cost for cross realm support to roughly equal whatever it costs to play the game monthly in the region you are wanting to play in, if you are from NA. as for those who are elsewhere, you can expect to pay, at a minimum, the difference, if any, between your monthly pay-to-play and the target realm's monthly. as for pay-to-play regions cross-realming to NA servers, im pretty sure theyll charge you something for this, just because they have to handle the transaction, and the increased server load/complexity of the service.
so in short, expect to pay for cross-realm, expect it to be a recurring payment, not a one-time deal.
Europe says hi. There has not been any information suggesting that Europe will have to pay to play.
Also note that the pay to play versions will be a lot cheaper at initial purchase to offset this.
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On June 17 2010 11:04 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 10:40 Kibibit wrote:On June 17 2010 10:26 hacpee wrote:On June 17 2010 10:13 Spawkuring wrote:On June 17 2010 10:10 hacpee wrote:
Activision blizzard has been monitizing this stuff since the merger. Look at wow and how the microtransactions started happening right when the merger began. WoW had microtransactions long before Activision. It really took off after activision. Before, it was minor. Only after activision took off did they loosen the reigns. Awesome, can we have some more inside info, I mean, you must work at Blizzard or something, right? I love inside information. ... The guy probably played WoW through the merger and noticed such changes. Don't be condescending.
If you'll take that as condescending, cool, but it doesn't make it any less silly to assume what Blizzard's intent or internal actions are, then state it as if it were fact.
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On June 17 2010 11:33 Dreadwave wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 11:22 Jollyburner wrote:
i can easily outline their problem if noone has managed to do so accurately in this 6 pages of degen. (no offense intended)
from what ive read, the game will be free to play for NAmerica region after you purchase the title, everywhere else is going to have to pay to play, most likely monthy fee.
therefore, it is impossible for blizzivision to implement free cross-realm play for NA customers, because if they did everyone from the other regions would simply bypass the pay-to-play system by purchasing NA titles, then cross-realming to their local realm.
so you can expect the bare minimum cost for cross realm support to roughly equal whatever it costs to play the game monthly in the region you are wanting to play in, if you are from NA. as for those who are elsewhere, you can expect to pay, at a minimum, the difference, if any, between your monthly pay-to-play and the target realm's monthly. as for pay-to-play regions cross-realming to NA servers, im pretty sure theyll charge you something for this, just because they have to handle the transaction, and the increased server load/complexity of the service.
so in short, expect to pay for cross-realm, expect it to be a recurring payment, not a one-time deal. Europe says hi. There has not been any information suggesting that Europe will have to pay to play. Also note that the pay to play versions will be a lot cheaper at initial purchase to offset this.
On June 17 2010 11:32 kardinal wrote:
Except no. Sorry to pop your ego but NA is certainly not the only region unused to a pay to play system.
sry i should have emphasised that by no means do i consider what ive read to be the absolute fact. i meant to get a disclaimer line in at end of post indicating i could be totally wrong. i still believe what i said holds true, there will be pay to play markets, and there will be free to play markets. regardless of price offsetting, pay to play will be a recurring payment, be it yearly, monthly, or by the minute. hence, the system would be exploitable by all users in a region designated pay-to-play were they to implement the free-cross-realm play model some users are asking for, as undoubtedly the cumulative cost of pay-to-play will outweigh the costs of title purchase over a given timeframe, that frame being almost without a doubt less than 2 years. ergo, anyone intending on playing the game for more than a year or so would be far better served cheating the system (ignoring any possible legal/moral complications) as the "price offset" you are referring too shouldnt see more than a 200% variation of pricing @ then-current rates, globally. maybe im smokin on that one, i dont know. either way, pretty damn sure well see pay-to-cross-realm-recurring format, provided my pay-to-play-recurring format hypothesis proves itself.
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Half, just to be clear, what type of microtransaction are you fearing here? Based on your proposed "free" solution, I don't think it matches what other people think it is.
Are you believing:
1) Say you have a NA account. If you want to play EU, you pay $X and get your acct flagged to EU. Then to go back to NA you pay another $X and go back to NA?
2) You pay $X and your account is unlocked for unlimited travel from your home region and one additional region. $X again for every other region you want to xfer to.
3) You pay $X dollars and your acct can freely travel to any region.
Because the only form of microtransaction that I'd be "ok" with on this top is #3. Anything else would be blatantly unacceptable. I think it's ok for them to charge for #3, as long as it's not prohibitive. Sure, I'd love for it to be a free service, and I hope for that, but I'd also like SC2 to be free as well, but that's not happening. I'd probably still play SC2 if it cost $10 more, so I'd probably be willing to pay that for Xregion also.
If you think the model is like #1 or #2 though I see where you're so violently afraid of it.
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On June 17 2010 12:13 Takkara wrote:
Half, just to be clear, what type of microtransaction are you fearing here? Based on your proposed "free" solution, I don't think it matches what other people think it is.
Are you believing:
1) Say you have a NA account. If you want to play EU, you pay $X and get your acct flagged to EU. Then to go back to NA you pay another $X and go back to NA?
2) You pay $X and your account is unlocked for unlimited travel from your home region and one additional region. $X again for every other region you want to xfer to.
3) You pay $X dollars and your acct can freely travel to any region.
Because the only form of microtransaction that I'd be "ok" with on this top is #3. Anything else would be blatantly unacceptable. I think it's ok for them to charge for #3, as long as it's not prohibitive. Sure, I'd love for it to be a free service, and I hope for that, but I'd also like SC2 to be free as well, but that's not happening. I'd probably still play SC2 if it cost $10 more, so I'd probably be willing to pay that for Xregion also.
If you think the model is like #1 or #2 though I see where you're so violently afraid of it.
Three and Two.
One is unlikely.
Why the hell are you "ok" with paying for a function that has been in every single Blizzard game at its core for almost 15 years? Especially when nothing has been implemented yet, so all you're "ok" is doing is allowing them to charge you more money.
Hilarious.
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On June 17 2010 12:02 Jollyburner wrote:
sry i should have emphasised that by no means do i consider what ive read to be the absolute fact. i meant to get a disclaimer line in at end of post indicating i could be totally wrong. i still believe what i said holds true, there will be pay to play markets, and there will be free to play markets. regardless of price offsetting, pay to play will be a recurring payment, be it yearly, monthly, or by the minute. hence, the system would be exploitable by all users in a region designated pay-to-play were they to implement the free-cross-realm play model some users are asking for, as undoubtedly the cumulative cost of pay-to-play will outweigh the costs of title purchase over a given timeframe, that frame being almost without a doubt less than 2 years. ergo, anyone intending on playing the game for more than a year or so would be far better served cheating the system (ignoring any possible legal/moral complications) as the "price offset" you are referring too shouldnt see more than a 200% variation of pricing @ then-current rates, globally. maybe im smokin on that one, i dont know. either way, pretty damn sure well see pay-to-cross-realm-recurring format, provided my pay-to-play-recurring format hypothesis proves itself.
Wait, what? If a pay-to-play is just the full price spread over time, how does this change anything... At all...? The price difference would just be spread over time, rather than a lump sum.
I fail to see your point..?
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