EPTThe inefficiency of DT tech in PvP - Page 9
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rei
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TT1
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On June 15 2010 07:49 rei wrote: oh yes you should care, because Yarko is putting TT1's reputation on the table as the reason why everybody should respect his opinion instead of TT1's logic in his discussion. Ok I put it simple for you: Discuss "DT tech opening in PvP" here? ->Yes Discuss "opinions about players" here? ->No I actually find this discussion very interesting. What is your opinion about it? | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
On June 13 2010 09:53 iamtt1 wrote: Its impossible to be in a decent position after dt rushing. I will say how can i put myself in a decent position after DT rushing? To say the word "Impossible" signifying he's the best player out there who knows everything inside and out about the game, and if he can't make it work no one else can make it work, hence the phase "impossible to be" I bet That's why he resulted in hacking back then, he thought it was impossible to get do something and has the need to get better, but he wasn't getting anywhere, so he satisfy his ego with map hack and win games with it. Ok, that's about it for TT1 bashing, you can't defend that hacker, he deserts every disrespect for what he did. I for one would like to rebut this On June 13 2010 09:53 iamtt1 wrote: Its impossible to be in a decent position after dt rushing. Where you say it is impossible, i will attempt to give you some possibilities 1) DT Rush--->force field ramp-----> expo 2) DT rush ----> robo-----> snipe his observer with your stalker+observer----> expo 3)DT rush----->expo----> hallucination colosousi to by you time till expo kicks in. 4) DT rush -----> DT drop ----------> island expo with force field on your own ramp to prevent yourself from getting pwn. PS. i'm the only one managed to pwned both Chill and Kennegit 2v1, in a drag out macro game, no cheeses and both of them had a huge army, and i got replays to prove it! | ||
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
If currently it is slow allin that has no solid comeback, I'm happy  Totally a unit that doesn't deserve to become part of every game in SC2. | ||
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
1) DT Rush--->force field ramp-----> expo If you DT rush, you don't have gas for Sentries. By this logic, you could just go Sentry > Force Field Ramp > Expo. If anything, going DT > FF > Expo, you are just setting yourself further behind. 2) DT rush ----> robo-----> snipe his observer with your stalker+observer----> expo Or fall over and die while you try to get a Robotics + Obs + Stalkers in a gas starved build vs someone who masses Warpgate + Robo units. 3)DT rush----->expo----> hallucination colosousi to by you time till expo kicks in. DT rush > Expo dies to anything that makes Observers and units. It's not a safe transition. And if he knows you have DTs, do you really think he will be fooled by a Hallucinated Colossus? lol... 4) DT rush -----> DT drop ----------> island expo with force field on your own ramp to prevent yourself from getting pwn. I think I tried to go Warp Prism + DTs once and unless you win the game with the drop, any kind of counter attack just slaughters your lack of units at home. Are you starting to see why there is an issue with DT openings? You can't move past them. | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
Are you starting to get the point i'm trying to make here now? Just because you can't do something don't say others can't. Just because TT1 thinks it is impossible for soemthing to be done, does not make it true, and even if it is true, it does not justify a balance change. pvp is as perfectly balanced as possible. | ||
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
Hint: You can't type 'show me the money'. | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
On June 15 2010 08:42 yarkO wrote: Meh, I'm done replying to you. You seem to lack basic understanding of the game. Hint: You can't type 'show me the money'. I beat both Chill and Kennigit 2v1, Neither of them can deny it, you think you can beat me? bring it, i show you my lack of basic understanding of the game. Oh Thank you for turning this discussion from DT transition into my lack of basic understanding of the game, because you create more opportunity for me to brag about my 2v1 glorious victory over Chill and Kennigit | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On June 15 2010 08:35 rei wrote: Stop using the word "you" you are not me, you can't be me, stop assuming what I can not do. Try to think of a way on how I can do what I say I can do. Just because you think I can't do something does not mean I can't do it, your assumption is only as good as your knowledge of my games. Are you starting to get the point i'm trying to make here now? Just because you can't do something don't say others can't. Just because TT1 thinks it is impossible for soemthing to be done, does not make it true, and even if it is true, it does not justify a balance change. pvp is as perfectly balanced as possible. pvp is very well balanced as a matchup because both sides have both options. this would also be true if protoss had only probes. and since "you" dont have a magic vespene gas farting donkey, "you" will not have spare gas with a DT opening. I think the observer+stalker switch is a bit slow because of this. edit: but if you have proof then show us! | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On June 15 2010 08:30 yarkO wrote: Are you starting to see why there is an issue with DT openings? You can't move past them. I agree with that completely, but even if HTs were more easily accessible after a DT opener, what could you do with them? They pretty much suck in PvP and not because they're hard to get. Because they just don't inflict damage, forced micro and area denial on the same level as SCBW's HT. There are only two other units in the Protoss force that use energy, so unless your plan is to Feedback all of his Sentries and storm his force with ungodly amounts of Chargelots and Archons, there isn't a whole lot you can do with the things. Sadly, either Blinkers or Collossi are just going to rape that combo. The extent of the changes you're looking for to make the line viable is a little extreme, I think. Even if they came from the same building, it would still be a horribly weak followup. | ||
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TT1
Canada9984 Posts
On June 15 2010 08:35 rei wrote: Stop using the word "you" you are not me, you can't be me, stop assuming what I can not do. Try to think of a way on how I can do what I say I can do. Just because you think I can't do something does not mean I can't do it, your assumption is only as good as your knowledge of my games. Are you starting to get the point i'm trying to make here now? Just because you can't do something don't say others can't. Just because TT1 thinks it is impossible for soemthing to be done, does not make it true, and even if it is true, it does not justify a balance change. pvp is as perfectly balanced as possible. its hard for a mirror mu to be imbalanced and your dt transitions are awesome, iccup/sc2 beta max rank? | ||
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Infiltrator
Montenegro80 Posts
Stop using the word "you" you are not me, you can't be me, stop assuming what I can not do. Try to think of a way on how I can do what I say I can do. Just because you think I can't do something does not mean I can't do it, your assumption is only as good as your knowledge of my games. Are you starting to get the point i'm trying to make here now? Just because you can't do something don't say others can't. Just because TT1 thinks it is impossible for soemthing to be done, does not make it true, and even if it is true, it does not justify a balance change. pvp is as perfectly balanced as possible. I think you're taking the word impossible to literally. I agree that once you do your DT, you are left with very little flexibility, and my opinion is based around the very known facts that DT tech is a very expensive, time consuming process which leads you to the end of a tech tree with only DTs unlocked. Whether or not he maphacked is completely and utterly irrelevant here, and the very mention of this immediately puts you in a bad argumentative position since you are resorting to a textbook ad hominem. Naturally, after you did your fair round of namecalling, you resort to listing strategies that are beyond the realm of viability. DT > Expo? Seriously? Like anything with an observer is not going to crap all over your expo and non-existing army. | ||
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Kfish
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rei
United States3593 Posts
On June 15 2010 08:54 iamtt1 wrote: its hard for a mirror mu to be imbalanced and your dt transitions are awesome, iccup/sc2 beta max rank? you want a piece of me? | ||
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faction123
Australia949 Posts
On June 15 2010 08:35 rei wrote: Stop using the word "you" you are not me, you can't be me, stop assuming what I can not do. Try to think of a way on how I can do what I say I can do. Just because you think I can't do something does not mean I can't do it, your assumption is only as good as your knowledge of my games. Are you starting to get the point i'm trying to make here now? Just because you can't do something don't say others can't. Just because TT1 thinks it is impossible for soemthing to be done, does not make it true, and even if it is true, it does not justify a balance change. pvp is as perfectly balanced as possible. reps? that's a good way to give us knowledge of your games, friend | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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TT1
Canada9984 Posts
when the beta comes back up sure, bo7? | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
On June 15 2010 09:05 faction123 wrote: reps? that's a good way to give us knowledge of your games, friend http://www.starcraft-replay.com/replays/chill-kennigit-vs-rei-ivyhae-1271690985.php There you go | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
On June 15 2010 08:58 Infiltrator wrote: Whether or not he maphacked is completely and utterly irrelevant here, and the very mention of this immediately puts you in a bad argumentative position since you are resorting to a textbook ad hominem. To be fair, the argument started with "argumentum ad verecundiam" (argument from authority). Tit for tat, and all that jazz. | ||
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