EPTSplitting was a commonly used technique in BW, to hear this seems a little depressing.
Worker splitting: Does it really matter? - Page 13
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
CCGaunt
United States417 Posts
Splitting was a commonly used technique in BW, to hear this seems a little depressing. | ||
|
afiddy
Canada108 Posts
| ||
|
MrStorkie
United Kingdom697 Posts
| ||
|
condoriano
United States826 Posts
On June 03 2010 16:19 afiddy wrote: What the hell? Are you guys serious (to the people complaining about how "lesser-skilled" players have a better edge now)? Do you people honestly think that the ability to split workers is a valid way to gauge whether or not a player is good? Really? Are you even listening to yourselves? You could definitely tell if someone is bad if he couldn't split his workers consistently. It doesn't mean he's good if he splits them well, but it's a good indicator of someones experience, current shape and concentration. Good players almost never fuck their splits up. And automated mining (and easier split) does give worse players a better edge vs someone decent, it's kind of obvious (not that they going to win because of that but an edge is an edge). Less shit to manage is definitely making things easier. On June 03 2010 16:23 MrStorkie wrote: I hope this isn't just one big rickroll. It's good that you added a video to illustrate your point, we almost forgot what a rickroll was. | ||
|
vuviper
3 Posts
A way for you to actually measure how much a split helps you is to see at precisely what time the different methods reach a certain mineral goal. The difference still would not be much, but at least you would see it. | ||
|
Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On June 03 2010 06:02 Liquid`NonY wrote: Ideally, every second of the game measures skill. I can agree with this to some extent, but what's happening in this thread right now is that it's the end of the world not beeing able to get a Very small advantage because of how you split your workers - and it's not like it wasnt apparent from the beggining that splitting wasnt a huge part of the earlygame.. Regardless, I just dont think it's that big of a deal when it comes to This game, since there are plenty of other ways to meassure skill. | ||
|
Ivs
Australia139 Posts
So depends on what time you stop to take a reading, you might be 5 minerals or 10 minerals or not behind at all, which translates to at most a second. | ||
|
Soel
90 Posts
you tell them to go to different nodes before they get to that first node. therefor they start mining quicker. it's a small difference, but of course it is there. there is some flaw in your research, I have no way of identifying it. | ||
|
Snowfield
1289 Posts
| ||
|
iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
ffs, what a joke. Competitive gaming is about thinking, not splitting workers as fast as possible. | ||
|
Rashia
Sweden68 Posts
The game should focus on strategy, timing and mind tricks. Not harvester micro. Good players will still be good, but this will help new gamers focus on the "real" stuff more. | ||
|
Zenzou
United States67 Posts
| ||
|
Kletus
Canada580 Posts
On June 03 2010 20:44 Zenzou wrote: We've gotten to the point that all the relevant and useful data has been posted, and no real useful information is being added because no one is actually reading them. This thread as becomes a bunch of people whining. Can we please close this thread or get back on topic? People are having trouble reading past the first post =(. Information posted later on shows proof that there is a difference between no split, half split, and F1 split and imo should be added to the OP. | ||
|
Major
Mexico539 Posts
On June 03 2010 18:48 Soel wrote: I'm sorry to refute "hard evidence" but any sort of common sense would indicate that splitting your workers does make a difference. you tell them to go to different nodes before they get to that first node. therefor they start mining quicker. it's a small difference, but of course it is there. there is some flaw in your research, I have no way of identifying it. this is so true it also matters where u send ur first build scv to what exact mineral (the one who is closest to urs command center) hell i even hate that theres automine in the game its just a removing skill from the game its almost impossible to dont have perfect economy unless u miss a supply depot or u miss building and scv and yes it does matter | ||
|
Major
Mexico539 Posts
On June 03 2010 16:23 MrStorkie wrote: I hope this isn't just one big rickroll. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 why ur in tl.net what the hell is ur problem? why u post that | ||
|
slowmanrunning
Canada285 Posts
| ||
|
Daedie
Belgium160 Posts
| ||
|
FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
| ||
|
Misrah
United States1695 Posts
Now Watch dooooooooooooo Crank Dat Miner Split Now Watch Me dooooooo Crank Dat Miner Split Now Watch Me doooo Crank Dat Miner Split Now Watch Me doooooo Crank Dat Miner Split Soulja Boy up in it (oh) Watch Me Crank It Watch Me Roll Watch Me Crank Dat Auto Mine Then Super Man Dat Hoe Now Watch Me dooooooooo Crank Dat Strategy Now Watch Me dooooooooo Crank Dat Strategy Now Watch Me dooooooooo Crank Dat Strategy Now Watch Me dooooooooo Crank Dat Strategy Soulja Boy up in it (oh) Watch Me Lean And Watch Me Rock Starcraft Two Dat Hoe Then Watch Me Crank Dat Pro Status Super Fresh, Now Watch Me Jock Jocking On Them Haterz Man When I Do Dat Auto Mine I Lean To The Left And Crank Dat Drone (Now Yuuuuuaaaaaa!) I'm Jocking On Yo Bitch Ass And If We Get The Fightin Then I'm Cocking On Your Void Ray You Catch My MBS At Yo Local Party Yes I Crank It Everyday Haterz Get Mad Cuz I Got Me Some Skillz [Chorus] Soulja Boy up in it(oh) Watch Me Crank It Watch Me Roll Watch Me Crank Dat Auto Mine Then Super Man Dat Noob Now Watch Me Yuuuuuaaaaaa! Crank Dat Strategy Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Strategy Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat MBS Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat MBS Soulja Boy Off In This Game Watch Me Crank It Watch Me Roll Watch Me Crank Dat Worker Split Then Super Man Dat Pro Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Worker Split Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Worker Split Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Worker Split Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Worker Split [Verse 2  I'm Bouncin On My Pro Watch Me Super Soak Dat Pro I'ma Pass It To Arab Then He Gon Crank It Up Fo Stalkers Haterz Wanna Be Me Soulja Boy, I'm The Man They Be Lookin At Base Sayin Its The Tactics Man (Man) Watch Me Do It (Watch Me Do It) Split (Split) Let's Get To It (Let's Get To It) Yep, You Can Do It Like Me Don't, So Don't Try Do It Like Me Folk, I See You Tryna Do It Like Me Man That *Split* Was Ugly [Chorus] Soulja Boy Off In This Hoe Watch Me Split it Watch Me Roll Watch Me Crank Dat High Ground Then Super Man Dat Pro Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat MBS Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Miner Split Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Auto Mine Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Strategy Soulja Boy Off In This Game Watch Me Click it Watch Me Roll Watch Me Crank Dat Strategy Then Super Man Dat Pro Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Pro Status Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Pro Status Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Pro Status Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Pro Status All to fresh up in it Pro Watch me crank, watch me Split Watch me crank that MBS and super soak that Pro Miner Split that Pro Auto Split that Pro MBS that Pro Super soak that Pro Super Soak that Pro Super soak that Pro Super soak that Pro All to fresh up watch me do it Watch me shuffle watch me do it Watch me crank my shoulder and Auto Split (super man do it) Super man do it (super man do it) Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh noooooooooooooobs! Soulja Boy Off In This Game Watch Me Crank It Watch Me Roll Watch Me Crank Dat Auto Mine Then Super Man Dat Pro Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Strategy Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Auto Mine Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat MBS Now Watch Me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Pro Status Soulja Boy off in this Game watch me crank it watch me roll watch me crank dat Auto Mine then super that Pro now watch me noooooooooooooobs! crank dat Strategy now watch me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat MBS now watch me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Auto Mine now watch me noooooooooooooobs! Crank Dat Auto Split Nooooooooooooooooobs aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh yuuuuuaa Nooooooooooooobs Long story short- anyone that likes auto split, you have no idea what you are talking about. anyone that thinks that the split was not a cool part of the game, you have no idea what you are talking about. Anyone that thinks that you can not look at the skill of a player through the split, has no idea what you are talking about. Please stop trying to make excuses about how SC2 has a smaller and smaller skill gap. Half of the people in this thread are trying to say- focus more on strategy... lol You all sound just like the kids that yell at startcraft speed settings on fastest. Most of you are young, and have come to this site after learning about sc2. Half of you prob could not walk when SC came out. But hey thanks for all of the input about how a competitive game should play. SC2 is a joke. I have said it again. | ||
|
Goobahfish
Australia71 Posts
Anyway, if you want to do the test properly, you have to account for the minute mineral difference as it affects resource investment throughout the game. In simpler terms, does it affect the timing of the first probe built and if so does that affect the timing of the second probe. These things tend to snowball... realistically it should have a similar effect to delaying your mining by a 10th of a second or some minute number... | ||
| ||
