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On June 01 2010 05:13 MasterFwiffo wrote:That is such a BS image. It takes me all of 30 seconds to start a movie on DVD. He's bitching about pressing play on the remote? Seriously? I mean, if we're going to be retarded about it, to watch a pirated movie you have to: 1) Dl. Bit Torrent. 2) Find a torrent. 3) No Seeds. 4) Find a torrent with seeds. 5) Wait for anywhere from one hour to twelve hours to download it. 6) Find out it's actually porn. 7) Find ANOTHER torrent. With seeds. And legit! 8) Watch torrent die halfway into it. 9) Finally find a working, legit, fast torrent, and download the damn file. 10) Find out where Windows hid it. 11) Double click. 12) Switch to full-screen view. 13) Finally watch the movie. On your piddling little 12-inch computer screen, with crappy built-in speakers. Meanwhile, to watch a bought DVD, you 1) Go to the store. 2) Buy it. 3) Shove DVD in player. 4) Click play. 5) Watch movie. So much easier. And not illegal. Plus you have your nice big screen TV with full surround sound, and a nice packaging and you have the satisfaction of actually owning a nice looking disk in a nice looking package instead of some piddling little white thing with your sloppy handwriting in permanent ink scrawled on the front. I mean, seriously. THat image is the most pathetic, whiny thing I've ever seen. And might I mention, I own a *TON* of DVDs. Our family loves our movies. Number of movies with unskippable previews in our entire collection: 2. Maybe 3. Has the creator of this image never heard of the 'menu' button?
It is more like
1) Find rapidshare links on some warez forums
2) Download with some download manager
3) Extract
4) Watch movie
I dont want to say that I am supporting piracy, though I downloaded ton of movies and games. Truth is, if I like the movie, I will go to cinema to see it, and if it was really good, Im gonna buy the DVD too. It is more like a preview for me, so I can see if its worth the money. Im also downloading TV shows like Stargate Universe or Flash Forward, cause it might be year or more till i will be able to see it on TV here in Slovakia, if ever.
Pirating PC games might be slightly different, but if that Activision guy tells, that he would charge more than 60$ for a game... Well it is pretty sick for me, I think higher price means more people will go for pirated version of game. Funny thing is, that this game pirates might have LAN games in the future with cracked battle.net 2.0 server on some local computer...
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If Blizzard doesn't put LAN in starcraft 2 and then it shows up in a cracked version, I'll pirate it. But I'll also buy starcraft 2. Just because Starcraft is irreversibly intertwined with Bnet 2.0 as Blizzard is with Activision, the head of which is despicably good at his job, this doesn't mean we should boycott or steal this game. It's sometimes difficult for a fiscal consumer to vote with their dollars (for instance, its hard not to buy grahm crackers because they're owned by Phillip Morris and you don't want to support them), but you can boycott activision games without boycotting blizzard games, even though Kotic might see some stock price rise from it. Face it, it's a great game(s), litttle pricey, but with good future support and outlook (and if all else fails, you'll always have Brood War). Help Blizzard help Starcraft 2. Don't pirate or boycott them.
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I bought the cod mw2 stimulus package and it was enough for me never to want to buy anything from activision ever again
playing cod4 on garena atm
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[QUOTE]On June 01 2010 04:45 cloudJR wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 01 2010 04:30 darmousseh wrote:
I know how hard it may be, but for esports to grow, then we must embrace the casual because without fans, the game won't have support. If you hate esports and wish that the only people that played sc2 were gamers who didn't buy stupid crap like player mods, then ignore everything i just said, don't buy sc2, and continue playing wc3
Sorry to rain on your parade, but this quote is completely wrong. You can't sit there and tell me that this game is not tailored more towards the casual gamer as opposed to a serious/pro gamer. Basically what your saying is that if its too hard for the "casual gamer" they won't buy it. Lets look at SC1/BW for a moment. Epic campaign, great story, very difficult multiplayer. SC and BW have almost sold 12 million copies worldwide. Difficulty doesn't shoo the casual gamer away, it's a crappy game that does.
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sc1/bw sold 12 million copies, if they keep it the same and its very difficult to be good, then it will sell 12 million over the next 12 years, but if they gear it towards casuals then they will sell 40 million copies worldwide. Difficulty is definitely a motivating factor towards playing a game.
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Kotick made $110 million during 2009. Activision blizzard had a total profit $113 million the same year, in other words he took half the profit.
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On June 01 2010 03:32 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 03:26 zrules wrote:On June 01 2010 03:08 zero hoki wrote:
I've never been so tempted to pirate a video game before. They have said that as a reason to implement these kinds of restraints, as have other companies... Pirating a game might be a "Oh I'll show you," but it is pretty... um... that one word what is it? Illegal? I think that's it... yeah. Pirating a game is immature. It's like protesting a company, but because you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT IT, you just steal it. Sure your hurting their profits/revenue... but really... if you can't contain yourself to say that what they are doing is wrong, so I won't even try to enjoy the game while it's out (aka, don't pirate) your not only taking the high road but your having an effect. Consider this, if northerners in the U.S. civil war were keeping slaves while fighting the South, it doesn't really look like a campaign against slavery... it just looks like an immature country who is preventing part of their own country from certain rights (An Apartheid). I guess noone here really thinks piracy is a good thing, but what Blizzard/Activision does is trying to destroy piracy at the expense of the ppl paying for the game. It's one thing to offer ppl awesome features when you play it online, so you'd want to buy it and play it online, but it's another story when you force ppl into playing it online, implement a bunch of features nobody wants and lot's of ways for the company to cash in on the user and give the fans some bogus explanations how B.Net.2.0. is actually better for the ppl paying for the game. Bottom line: The User that is paying for SC2 will probably get F'd over much more than the ones that will find a way to crack SC2 and play it on illegal servers, were they will have the ability to play over LAN and where they won't have to pay for certain features and all that annoying stuff that Activision/Blizzard has in store for the ppl actually supporting their product... -.-° It's just an overall stupid approach and IMHO it's unbelievable how Activision gets away with stuff like that. If you look at it that way, Piracy is the logic consequense of companies screwing over the potential customers and they have to find a way to make us want to pay for their games, because what Activision and other major companies are doing now, is just total BS.
The problem is what drove this trend. What drove this trend was torrents and the inability of companies to properly file lawsuits since they are more or less hard to trace. The sites that host these torrents often get away with claiming they are hosting only, but even if they didn't host, by just passing it along in IM message sending or whatever, it just isn't a good environment. Yes I totally agree that how they want use to play SC2 is by being online, but to them, it is a small price to pay to prevent 1 copy becoming 20 copies of SC2. And while these attempts may be misguided since apparently their programmers are less capable than the programmers determined to crack games (Game engine being so amazing yet filled with problems on unit control in many people's eyes). However I do totally agree with you that their idea of trying to make even more money by selling "Premium maps and such is really, really stupid. However, my argument is that people need self-control and must be able to say "this is wrong, I won't even illegally enjoy your game cause these are problems." The biggest reason why they can get away with it: because people are not willing to stop themselves from playing the game at all (buying or pirating). If people were willing to say no, they wouldn't be able to push this kind of crap on the players. Though one of the obvious things that Activision also has going for it is that Console games are much more difficult to "have your with" as a pirate. The games are a lot more coherent, the gaming system is the same, so it is easier to detect odd, modded systems, and in general, the console community see's no problem with paying 3 extra installments of $10 each for extra content. And since the console community has no problem with it, these companies can start dropping PC support, whether it be previously free map packs, no more dedicated servers, etc. because they can sacrifice the scary pirate ridden PC market for the relatively safe console market. Finally, as a natural response to this bull shit seems to be... misguided. To say that PC gamers are going to pirate a game because the pirated game doesn't have bull shit in it seems really low, no matter what company is the "loser." Gamers should be able to just boycott a game (and a pure one at that, not pirating the game either), in order to have their voices heard.
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Saw this thread on the latest Weapon of Choice; thanks for highlighting this great article, Wheat. And big thanks to OP for writing all this up.
It is really sad what has happened with the bnet and gomTV stuff.. from being somewhat uncertain in purchasing SC2, I went to being very determined in not buying the game.
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On May 30 2010 08:24 Perfect Balance wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 08:17 Sabu113 wrote:
Do you really want to bring a racial element into this? You sound like you're making a threat. Hahaha. It's amazing how, in the politically correct world you americans live in, if ethnic iranians occupied ALL of your media and video game companies tomorrow, you wouldn't be able to point it out for fear of being labeled a "raciss". If those iranian CEO's also donated to causes that hurt your foreign policy and affected elections in their favor, you wouldn't be able to point it out. You're wrong, it's not about racial elements at all, it's about the fact that all of these companies are dominated by a group that constitutes less than 2% of the total american population. It's amazing to me how so few americans realize this, and see WHY companies turn into money-making schemes when people of this group start inhabiting the positions of chairman and CEO. Michael Morhaime belongs to this group. So does the CEO of Activision, and all the big video game companies (EA, Bethesda, etc), except Valve. ![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/2lxbh5f.jpg) User was temp banned for this post.
Heh.. I'm sorry for bringing this old post back, but I have to ask ... what is the significance of Valve in that post?
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Fucking disgusting. I cannot believe that my favorite company, Blizzard, is being destroyed by the incorrigible greed of Kotick and Vivendi. The guy is clearly a gigantic douchebag (taking away the fun of making games? keeping an atmosphere of fear), but also clearly knows how to maximize profits, otherwise he wouldn't have the job.
BNet 2.0, a PC service being mirrored like XBox Live finally now makes sense. What a tragedy.
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Most enlightening post, good sir! It really gave me something to think about, allthough it is depressing to see, which way Activision is pushing Battle.net 2.0. Its all about the dollars, it seems, less about the community. I for one, will think twice before going into their planned map-market now!
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Makes me sick to my stomach it happened to be blizzard they decided to gut, but I guess going for the most recognized name in quality gaming makes sense from a business standpoint. SC2 is probably going to go the way of MW2. Wont expect Sc3 to have any following, or any of its previous developers if the actions from infinity ward indicate anything.
Every action possible is being taking to milk every little last dollar out of a non subscription based game, its sickening.
I'm so close to pirating SC2 now mostly thanks to knowing most of the cost of the game and all it extra "value added content" profit is going to line koteks pockets and not go towards development of the next big game, and if it does, its only going to fuel another black money hole developed game with profit and milking as its only goal.
It shall be glorious when people rip the game to shreds and get a full fledged Iccup2.0 going with more free features than bnet will support and blizzard ladders will be left barren.
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The reality of piracy is that nobody can stop it.
I like blizzard. I can afford SC2 no problem.
My being tempted to pirate their game is to PUNISH their stupid decisions.
If I did pirate, which I won't, but if I did they could redeem themselves by correcting the mistakes, I would then buy a legit copy and play online.
I've had the misfortune of working with a producer at EA before, and let me tell you these douchbag producers have a god complex and think they're untouchable. Most don't care about the players they just want to come up with a new idea and claim it a success even if they have no measurable proof. The last thing they will ever do is admit they made a mistake, I've seen them blame customers before. But if a decision hurts the wallet even activision will rethink what they're doing.
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I was banned too , because of being the main guy in the froums about beta , i have been in numerous threads for balance and bugs , with many constructive ideas that helped the community and one of my ideas actually got into the game (corruptors corrutp ability)
While in this , i was very active as well in the "bnet2.0" department , they said i was "insulting" them.
Activision has clearly taken over blizzard, they are pushing the game which is not finished , people have waited this long , and let me guess , it's not long enough, it will be at least 3 months until the game will work propery alteast with these features that we have now , lan , chatrooms , etc etc is a whole lot different matter , if ever. Patch 12 and 13 have fucked up everything , i got high end pc never had problems now i have BSODs and random freezes with SC2. come on.
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i thought i was shocked by this, the Frank Pearce interview and everything ... but what shocked me even more is that people still have such a naiv faith in blizzard ... like sheeps they are complaining all day long about Bnet2.0 and Activisions policy but they will buy ... still give them what they want. People need to realize that SC2 community is something completly different compared to the WoW community. I'd like to consider the SC2 community much more intelligent also.
If we the fanbase will unite atleast here at TL and bring all those news out for the casual to understand and notice, bring it to the gaming magazines, publish it in all forums ... hell, WE know how the internet works, we know how Viral Advertisment works ... do you really think it can't be done the other way around? Do you really think Blizzard doesn't care about all the bad PR before the release? Do you really think they are telling us the truth about everything they have planed now? NO, because they don't want bad PR (the no LAN thing was pretty bad for them already)
What we need though is a voice and a united fanbase. It CAN be done ... not to pirate the game, not because we hate Blizzard Developers or their games but to make Blizzard listen again. Not some childish, unrational ranting ... a civilized protest, with all the weapons we have at our proposel.
"One hand at work is worth more then billions clasped in prayer."
But of course you could just resign and do nothing, go buy the game ... but then please stop complaining.
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wow, learned alot...
thanks for the informational post.
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Holy shit, doesn't that sound like a fun company to work for?
Thanks for the info though, a very well done post.
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well that settles alot for me. I'm now completely on the side of Kespa, at least the fans benefit on their quest for money.
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Its Activision Blizzard for a reason. And Blizzard itself in my eyes has right to charge even $200 per copy of every game it released.
I pay to Blizzard for Blizzard quality, and i don't give a shit what that huge monster coalition whatever behind them. There wasn't any bs in Blizzard buisness till now, even that WOW mount for $25 is understandable.
Tho pretty interesting information and impressive amount of work. Thanks!
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And they wonder why people actually crack and pirate games. I can gladly say "yes, I DO have a pirated copy of Modern Warcrap 2", something I wouldn't even CONSIDER a couple years ago and the ONLY reason I did it was because of what they did with the online gameplay with that game.
Be certain that this model of service (currently being offered by Actishition) while bound to attract new and unaware customers will definitelly kill the company in the long run, because serious gamers are what made this industry what it is today, not the everyday pacman and tetris casual gamer.
R.I.P. Blizzard.
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Be certain that this model of service (currently being offered by Actishition) while bound to attract new and unaware customers will definitelly kill the company in the long run, because serious gamers are what made this industry what it is today, not the everyday pacman and tetris casual gamer.
Uh, mate, hate to make trouble, but I'm pretty sure pacman and tetris were about, if not more, influential than starcraft in making the video games industry what it is today. Before you go about trampling some of the finest examples of elegance in design as 'casual', do a little research. Blizzard would totally not be the same company it is today without its own casual element- TDs, HDs, obs madness etc. I really despise this complexity = superiority complex some people have >.>. It's not the impact of Activision on the 'serious' aspect of SC2 that's going to be most damaging, it's their impact on the *casual* aspect.
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All good things must come to an end. If this stuff does not turn around people will eventually turn a cold shoulder and move on. Maybe even more Blizzard employees will quit and start more new companies. It's a shame things are moving in this direction. Blizzard always produces top quality and feature rich games. And they are so tainted by Activision it makes me sad. Been a fan since Warcraft I and wait decades for their games without even realizing it due to their longevity and playability. But this is not something I want to endure for long.
I've purchased every single PC game produced by Blizzard except WoW and for the first time I feel hesitant towards purchasing SC2.
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