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zero hoki
United States3 Posts
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UnderWorld_Dream
Canada219 Posts
On May 31 2010 18:08 RAZROK wrote: WTF, just WTF. Dude... Im speechless. How is this greed, obviously u have no idea what greed is. Its like if Ferrari and some cheap, crappy but good looking chinese car would cost the same. Would you really spend your money on that peace of junk instead of ferrari? Starcraft 2 feels loose, not finished and just massed up to get fast money type game. All they do is talk, talk, talk, promote, talk, talk, hype people with all their events, talk and once again talk. They dont actually do anything. They don't do anything? Sc2 is some kind of cheap game made for profits?? Well, you are truly mistaken. Altho I believe there is some flaws atm with bnet2.0. This game is gonna be huge and I have 100% faith Blizzard wont let us down since they never did in the past. I'm playing beta since the launch and im really hooked to it, It's an awesome game and I really don't give a ** if they are making plenty of money out of it. You know what will happen? People will hack the game and play an illegal version of it claiming: 'Im not paying a cent to those greedy bastards'. They will turn around and call their friends: 'man sc2 is so fun, you should dl the torrent!' This is what i call greed. how pathetic. | ||
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zrules
United States88 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:08 zero hoki wrote: I've never been so tempted to pirate a video game before. They have said that as a reason to implement these kinds of restraints, as have other companies... Pirating a game might be a "Oh I'll show you," but it is pretty... um... that one word what is it? Illegal? I think that's it... yeah. Pirating a game is immature. It's like protesting a company, but because you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT IT, you just steal it. Sure your hurting their profits/revenue... but really... if you can't contain yourself to say that what they are doing is wrong, so I won't even try to enjoy the game while it's out (aka, don't pirate) your not only taking the high road but your having an effect. Consider this, if northerners in the U.S. civil war were keeping slaves while fighting the South, it doesn't really look like a campaign against slavery... it just looks like an immature country who is preventing part of their own country from certain rights (An Apartheid). | ||
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uiCk
Canada1925 Posts
well, karma is a bitch, and greed will destroy anyone | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:26 zrules wrote: They have said that as a reason to implement these kinds of restraints, as have other companies... Pirating a game might be a "Oh I'll show you," but it is pretty... um... that one word what is it? Illegal? I think that's it... yeah. Pirating a game is immature. It's like protesting a company, but because you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT IT, you just steal it. Sure your hurting their profits/revenue... but really... if you can't contain yourself to say that what they are doing is wrong, so I won't even try to enjoy the game while it's out (aka, don't pirate) your not only taking the high road but your having an effect. Consider this, if northerners in the U.S. civil war were keeping slaves while fighting the South, it doesn't really look like a campaign against slavery... it just looks like an immature country who is preventing part of their own country from certain rights (An Apartheid). I guess noone here really thinks piracy is a good thing, but what Blizzard/Activision does is trying to destroy piracy at the expense of the ppl paying for the game. It's one thing to offer ppl awesome features when you play it online, so you'd want to buy it and play it online, but it's another story when you force ppl into playing it online, implement a bunch of features nobody wants and lot's of ways for the company to cash in on the user and give the fans some bogus explanations how B.Net.2.0. is actually better for the ppl paying for the game. Bottom line: The User that is paying for SC2 will probably get F'd over much more than the ones that will find a way to crack SC2 and play it on illegal servers, were they will have the ability to play over LAN and where they won't have to pay for certain features and all that annoying stuff that Activision/Blizzard has in store for the ppl actually supporting their product... -.-° It's just an overall stupid approach and IMHO it's unbelievable how Activision gets away with stuff like that. If you look at it that way, Piracy is the logic consequense of companies screwing over the potential customers and they have to find a way to make us want to pay for their games, because what Activision and other major companies are doing now, is just total BS. | ||
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mint_julep
United States254 Posts
On June 01 2010 02:57 Half wrote: lol. This is kind of funny. If I've heard of it, it's already to mainstream for you huh? But seriously though, go try out http://www.frozensynapse.com/. http://www.crypticcomet.com/games/SI/Solium_Infernum.html and some more mainstream but still indie at heart: CD projekt Red (They redid their entire game, VA and like 5 new modules included, and gave it to customers for free because they felt their original wasn't good enough, despite being the best RPG I've played :o+They're polish, and poles are awesome) http://www.thewitcher.com/ Arena.net(Guys from blizzard go to make competitve MMO with no monthly fee :D+Most amazing art direction I've seen since Myst.) http://www.arena.net/ Hope those are edgy enuff for ya...  My interest in indie games is based on a the desire to support those who are passionately creating good products for the benefit of the community as opposed to for dollars, not to be cool. Try to be less condescending and presumptuous in the future and maybe you'll sound like less of an asshole than you thought I did. edit typo | ||
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RA
Latvia791 Posts
I honestly think a person like that is threatening something which was creative, pure. There is always a money issue, and it's right that the company should get money and prosper, but for what? That money should go into development not into royalties payed to stockholders, it's the worst way to go. He apparently doesn't care about creative side very much and is so centered on raising more money, basically milking a goat even if it dies in a process. Seriously scary, very fucking scary since I really want to play SC2 and D3. I think he has to die. black humour jk P.S. He sounds as ridiculous and egocentrical as Bush and that part with "exterminating" and "fairly" is one of the pearls. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:08 zero hoki wrote: I've never been so tempted to pirate a video game before. tell me about it man this is messed up | ||
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Koffiegast
Netherlands346 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:26 zrules wrote: They have said that as a reason to implement these kinds of restraints, as have other companies... Pirating a game might be a "Oh I'll show you," but it is pretty... um... that one word what is it? Illegal? I think that's it... yeah. Pirating a game is immature. It's like protesting a company, but because you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT IT, you just steal it. Sure your hurting their profits/revenue... but really... if you can't contain yourself to say that what they are doing is wrong, so I won't even try to enjoy the game while it's out (aka, don't pirate) your not only taking the high road but your having an effect. Consider this, if northerners in the U.S. civil war were keeping slaves while fighting the South, it doesn't really look like a campaign against slavery... it just looks like an immature country who is preventing part of their own country from certain rights (An Apartheid). ![[image loading]](http://themavesite.com/TMS-Pictures/2010-02/LegalVsPiratedDVD.jpg) Same applies to games. Heck there are even games out there with such crappy DRM that customers that bought the game legally were unable to play the game! How stupid is that? Seriously, the whole DRM / zomg pirated games wouldve been sold games is just bullocks. Tons of games get pirated, sure, but dont think that if people werent able to pirate it, they would buy the game. The last years, tons of lame games came out, lacking tons of features.. often that were promised before, direct ports from consoles, games coming out with tons of bugs, crappy storylines, etcetera. So people want to see whether it is worth their money. If its any good and multiplayer adds so much more to the game (which is the case for SC2) people will buy it anyways. Also, it isnt like every pirated version implies that the person didnt buy the game itself as well. The downfall of PC games isnt due to piracy, its due to crappy sucky games that were being rushed by companies that expect that lame games with full of bugs is going to sell and blame it on other parties. So many games wouldve been so much better if they had tiny small changes, bugfixes, etcetera. | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
Passionate fans are definitely a double sided sword... they only see us as dolla dolla bills though. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
The difference between wow and starcraft though is fundamental and activisions strategy for profiting will have to change once they realize people aren't going to buy crap like maps or pay for tournaments, etc. Why won't this happen on starcraft? because starcraft is a elite game. If people suck at a game, they stop playing it. This is why wow is so popular, because its almost impossible to suck. So activision (i will not refer to blizzard here, because blizzard wouldn't do this crap on their own) has introduced things like ladders to make newbies feel better about themselves. Even the change to remove copper and make bronze the lowest was a psychological change so that the lowest level players think, "oh bronze, i'm 3rd place". Also this means inflated groups. In a pyramid ladder system, players would take months to go up to a new league. With the even system, a bronze can get to silver in a few weeks with practice and silver to gold in another few weeks giving them 1. an incentive to play 2. the illusion of possibly becoming a great player. What eventually will happen is the player will get stuck at gold and then get frustrated and quit. However, in that time they will have bought maps, tshirts, blizzard authenticators, and spent another $50 on a game that they otherwise would have quit within the first week. This means two things, 1. more player involvment and longer lifespan for casuals, which is a good thing. It means more people watching tournaments and the growth of esports in general. I never played rts games other than aoe and I'm already hooked on watching sc2 games and I can tell you, the illusion that I am a good player (by being in plat) has made me want to play more. 2. The end of elite gaming and the introduction of full time casual gaming. In other sports, there are millions of players. For example, in baseball, there is the MLB, AAA ball, college, high school, little league, even t-ball. 1 in 10,000 players in high school will play a sport professionally or 0.01%. But for that 1 player, there are 9,999 fans. If baseball was only playable by elitists maybe such as rowing, then the draw to bring in casuals is almost nil. So activisions goal is to make people addicted to their sport and drawn in to watching pro games by making the game accessible to everyone. If the casual can understand what's going on after playing the game for 15 minutes, then they can relate to the pros. Mini-transactions are nothing different than the MLB selling team-hats or only allowing certain companies to broadcast their events. In the end, baseball players might like to know their true skill (ELO) to compare to other players, but casuals don't care. Casuals don't like numbers. I think a comprimise might be to do the asian GO ranking system. newbies are between 30-20 kyu, casuals between 20-10 kyu, intermediates between 9-1 kyu, advanced between 1-7 dan and pro between 1-9 pro-dan. In a way, that's exactly what the rating system is, except you are grouped with people from a wide range rather than just your most immediate rank. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_ranks_and_ratings for details) This is happening and there is no way to stop it. There are a few things we as players can do. 1. Don't buy the game, which sucks because the game itself is awesome. 2. Buy the game but then complain about all the newbies ruining the game (just like what they said about golf when it was no longer just a gentleman's sport) 3. Buy the game, make encouraging videos for newbies (like day9), make pro gaming a big deal to attract people, and don't discourage newbies. Imagine if you were playing chess for the first time and your opponent was an advanced player and when he crushed you he laughed at you and told you that you sucked hard and that it was people like you that ruin the game. I know how hard it may be, but for esports to grow, then we must embrace the casual because without fans, the game won't have support. If you hate esports and wish that the only people that played sc2 were gamers who didn't buy stupid crap like player mods, then ignore everything i just said, don't buy sc2, and continue playing wc3 PS I am not justifying what activision is doing, just trying to explain their reasoning and how it could map out in favor for sc2. Things like chat rooms obviously need to be in place and cross server play is important, but as a view for their goals with sc2, I can somewhat understand what they are trying to accomplish (since wow was/is such a success) | ||
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cloudJR
United States266 Posts
I know how hard it may be, but for esports to grow, then we must embrace the casual because without fans, the game won't have support. If you hate esports and wish that the only people that played sc2 were gamers who didn't buy stupid crap like player mods, then ignore everything i just said, don't buy sc2, and continue playing wc3 Sorry to rain on your parade, but this quote is completely wrong. You can't sit there and tell me that this game is not tailored more towards the casual gamer as opposed to a serious/pro gamer. Basically what your saying is that if its too hard for the "casual gamer" they won't buy it. Lets look at SC1/BW for a moment. Epic campaign, great story, very difficult multiplayer. SC and BW have almost sold 12 million copies worldwide. Difficulty doesn't shoo the casual gamer away, it's a crappy game that does. | ||
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piratekaybear
United States50 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:32 kickinhead wrote: I guess noone here really thinks piracy is a good thing, but what Blizzard/Activision does is trying to destroy piracy at the expense of the ppl paying for the game. It's one thing to offer ppl awesome features when you play it online, so you'd want to buy it and play it online, but it's another story when you force ppl into playing it online, implement a bunch of features nobody wants and lot's of ways for the company to cash in on the user and give the fans some bogus explanations how B.Net.2.0. is actually better for the ppl paying for the game. Bottom line: The User that is paying for SC2 will probably get F'd over much more than the ones that will find a way to crack SC2 and play it on illegal servers, were they will have the ability to play over LAN and where they won't have to pay for certain features and all that annoying stuff that Activision/Blizzard has in store for the ppl actually supporting their product... -.-° It's just an overall stupid approach and IMHO it's unbelievable how Activision gets away with stuff like that. If you look at it that way, Piracy is the logic consequense of companies screwing over the potential customers and they have to find a way to make us want to pay for their games, because what Activision and other major companies are doing now, is just total BS. ^^ this | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
Right now I am 50-50 certain of even purchasing starcraft 2. How much will I have to pay after I've actually installed the game? From this I'll take its twice what I originally payed for the disc. | ||
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shieldbreak
United States406 Posts
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MasterFwiffo
United States97 Posts
That is such a BS image. It takes me all of 30 seconds to start a movie on DVD. He's bitching about pressing play on the remote? Seriously? I mean, if we're going to be retarded about it, to watch a pirated movie you have to: 1) Dl. Bit Torrent. 2) Find a torrent. 3) No Seeds. 4) Find a torrent with seeds. 5) Wait for anywhere from one hour to twelve hours to download it. 6) Find out it's actually porn. 7) Find ANOTHER torrent. With seeds. And legit! 8) Watch torrent die halfway into it. 9) Finally find a working, legit, fast torrent, and download the damn file. 10) Find out where Windows hid it. 11) Double click. 12) Switch to full-screen view. 13) Finally watch the movie. On your piddling little 12-inch computer screen, with crappy built-in speakers. Meanwhile, to watch a bought DVD, you 1) Go to the store. 2) Buy it. 3) Shove DVD in player. 4) Click play. 5) Watch movie. So much easier. And not illegal. Plus you have your nice big screen TV with full surround sound, and a nice packaging and you have the satisfaction of actually owning a nice looking disk in a nice looking package instead of some piddling little white thing with your sloppy handwriting in permanent ink scrawled on the front. I mean, seriously. THat image is the most pathetic, whiny thing I've ever seen. And might I mention, I own a *TON* of DVDs. Our family loves our movies. Number of movies with unskippable previews in our entire collection: 2. Maybe 3. Has the creator of this image never heard of the 'menu' button? | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On June 01 2010 05:13 MasterFwiffo wrote: That is such a BS image. It takes me all of 30 seconds to start a movie on DVD. He's bitching about pressing play on the remote? Seriously? I mean, if we're going to be retarded about it, to watch a pirated movie you have to: 1) Dl. Bit Torrent. 2) Find a torrent. 3) No Seeds. 4) Find a torrent with seeds. 5) Wait for anywhere from one hour to twelve hours to download it. 6) Find out it's actually porn. 7) Find ANOTHER torrent. With seeds. And legit! 8) Watch torrent die halfway into it. 9) Finally find a working, legit, fast torrent, and download the damn file. 10) Find out where Windows hid it. 11) Double click. 12) Switch to full-screen view. 13) Finally watch the movie. On your piddling little 12-inch computer screen, with crappy built-in speakers. Meanwhile, to watch a bought DVD, you 1) Go to the store. 2) Buy it. 3) Shove DVD in player. 4) Click play. 5) Watch movie. So much easier. And not illegal. Plus you have your nice big screen TV with full surround sound, and a nice packaging and you have the satisfaction of actually owning a nice looking disk in a nice looking package instead of some piddling little white thing with your sloppy handwriting in permanent ink scrawled on the front. I mean, seriously. THat image is the most pathetic, whiny thing I've ever seen. And might I mention, I own a *TON* of DVDs. Our family loves our movies. Number of movies with unskippable previews in our entire collection: 2. Maybe 3. Has the creator of this image never heard of the 'menu' button? There are HD streams now, press enter, watch movie like the picture. | ||
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ThunderChunky
United States24 Posts
[quote]A little snooping around gets me to the BW FAQ on the Battle.net Compendium website, where the "retailers's suggested price" is given as 30 dollars. Adjusted for inflation from when it came out, that's about $38 dollars.[/QUOTE] The BW expansion was originally $20 on its own. I forget what SC was... probably $40-50. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On June 01 2010 05:13 MasterFwiffo wrote: That is such a BS image. It takes me all of 30 seconds to start a movie on DVD. He's bitching about pressing play on the remote? Seriously? I mean, if we're going to be retarded about it, to watch a pirated movie you have to: 1) Dl. Bit Torrent. 2) Find a torrent. 3) No Seeds. 4) Find a torrent with seeds. 5) Wait for anywhere from one hour to twelve hours to download it. 6) Find out it's actually porn. 7) Find ANOTHER torrent. With seeds. And legit! 8) Watch torrent die halfway into it. 9) Finally find a working, legit, fast torrent, and download the damn file. 10) Find out where Windows hid it. 11) Double click. 12) Switch to full-screen view. 13) Finally watch the movie. On your piddling little 12-inch computer screen, with crappy built-in speakers. Meanwhile, to watch a bought DVD, you 1) Go to the store. 2) Buy it. 3) Shove DVD in player. 4) Click play. 5) Watch movie. So much easier. And not illegal. Plus you have your nice big screen TV with full surround sound, and a nice packaging and you have the satisfaction of actually owning a nice looking disk in a nice looking package instead of some piddling little white thing with your sloppy handwriting in permanent ink scrawled on the front. I mean, seriously. THat image is the most pathetic, whiny thing I've ever seen. And might I mention, I own a *TON* of DVDs. Our family loves our movies. Number of movies with unskippable previews in our entire collection: 2. Maybe 3. Has the creator of this image never heard of the 'menu' button? You obviously don't get it. What ppl are trying to say here is, that it's up to the Producers/Big Studios to make ppl WANT to buy their stuff. The whole piracy-thing is just something totally new that came with the digital-era and Companies obviously don't know how to deal with it and blame the opportunistic huge amorphic Mass of potential Consumers for not buying, but pirating their Movies/Games. What happened before Internet-Piracy with Stuff ppl didn't want to spend money on - they didn't buy it. It's as simple as that. Now, ppl have the opportunity to watch movies/play games without buying it, so you can play a game that you wouldn't want to spend money on. Either big companies can be stupid and unrealistic and begin to blame everyone than themself, or they begin to think about what to do to make ppl WANT to buy their games. Blizzard always had good ways of making ppl wanting to buy their games, with extremely sufficient online-playability - They've always sold millions of copies and personally, I have so many Blizzard games and it never occured to me to pirate one of them, because I wanted to play them online. With SC2, it would've been the same thing. Why would I want to pirate a game I'm planning on playing Online for thousands of hours? But now, with all this B.Net.2.0-BS, I'm considering NOT TO BUY SC2. - WTF went wrong here? Activision just wants to cash in and obviously doesn't know how ppl want to play SC2 and they think that the problems with stupid single-player-games (TBH, I can totally understand if sm1 doesn't want to pay 50 Dollars for a game he'll play for 10 hours, compared to a game like SC:BW, were you get thousands and thousands hours of fun for the same price when it came out) also apply to Games like SC2 and that is just wrong, they'll loose a lot of fans and potential customers, just because of bad management-decisions by some A-hole that has a God-complex... | ||
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