On May 29 2010 16:28 knavery wrote: Spartan, I'm not missing the point of the chat room; but I think you're missing the point of battle.net. If you want to chat, then by all means go to mIRC and troll #starcraft2. Why should Blizzard waste their b.net resources on something that has nothing to do with the game? B.net 2.0 will be a competitive gaming community, not a chat community. Are you getting the point?
Bnet 2.0 is supposed to be Steam. Steam does not have chat rooms, it has personal pages, groups and friends lists. Hence, neither does Bnet 2.0. I think it's as simple as that.
Unfortunately, Bnet 2.0 is not a handy application that runs in the background and serves many purposes like Steam, it's a clunkier part of the SC2 main interface with a small website. Theoretically, a groups functionality that allows you to be a member of multiple groups (like Steam) would allow for the same kind of functionality... So, that's what I'm waiting for.
Whoever said that chat channels is the RTS equivalent of a dedicated server in an FPS is right, and I never thought of it that way. Good point.
I said it in another thread so I will repeat it here.
chat channels, for the RTS community, are the equivalent of dedicated servers in a FPS
They provide a very similar social function.
It seems to me they never appreciated how good battle.net was. How sad. All along I have laughed at other game companies repeated failures to match the battle.net experience. And what do Blizzard do? they hire these X-BAWX developers to ruin battle.net. Pathetic.
I am so dissapointed, a game like HoN with its interface is what I expected SC2 to be like, both want to be competitive games but SC2 cant be if it has region locking etc.
Man I did tournaments on HoN playing against Americans etc it was so fun, I cant imagine myself ever doing anything in SC2 because of region locking, I dont want region tournaments, I want world wide, wtf Blizzard.
Plus how the fuck am I supposed to find clans/people to play against, Ladder is fun but it gets to a point where it means nothing, especialy since I cant tell where I was, on HoN I really enjoyed the fact I could look at the ladder and I was like yea I am in the top 50, man reading this has made me really doubtful about this game, I was so pumped about it too.
chat channels, for the RTS community, are the equivalent of dedicated servers in a FPS
They provide a very similar social function.
This statement above is absolutely incorrect.
Chat channels, for the RTS community, are the equivalent of chat channels in an FPS.
That's the only way to say it; FPS competitive community uses IRC on gamesurge or quakenet. There's no such thing as dedicated server chat in FPS. Everything is conducted on IRC chat channels. This just illustrates the extreme importance of chat channels in gelling together any community that is competitive, FPS or RTS.
The lack of community is what stops me playing sc2 more than I do atm. I only really go on when a sc1 friend msns me and asks me for games. Even now it's the chat channels from sc1 that provide my social interaction on sc2. Rest of them time I don't bother because laddering is no different from campaigning alone without friends to improve with.
chat channels, for the RTS community, are the equivalent of dedicated servers in a FPS
They provide a very similar social function.
This statement above is absolutely incorrect.
Chat channels, for the RTS community, are the equivalent of chat channels in an FPS.
That's the only way to say it; FPS competitive community uses IRC on gamesurge or quakenet. There's no such thing as dedicated server chat in FPS. Everything is conducted on IRC chat channels. This just illustrates the extreme importance of chat channels in gelling together any community that is competitive, FPS or RTS.
I said they serve a similar function.
They are both social destinations. I know that my friends will be on my favorite TF2 server. I know that my friends will be in my clan channel. Both the chat channel and server are there 24/7 for me to tap into. I don't have to arrange anything.
This is where the community originates from. From the same people playing on the same server in FPS games. And from the same people inhabiting the same channels in RTS game.
Without either of these things the community will suffer.
lol All the talk about having would of quit after 6months to a year if chat rooms didn't exist made me realize one thing.
Chat rooms were prolly the thing I was looking forward to the most with SC2. All those old channels now dead would come back to life and it would be nostalgic win on this new sick RTS. But no. I'm not allowed to talk to the other test subjects.
While the issue is nice community thingies we loved about bw, how about the online replays that mysteriously vanished from war3? Having to run xfire and sync every replay if I want to watch it with friends seems so pointlessly cumbersome.
I met ALL my internet friends through starcraft in the late 90's, early 2000's. Chat channels were great in that you can find people with similar skill levels. It was so easy to type in "1v1 msg me, PvT only" and get 3-4 private messages within 10 seconds. Or how about finding a quick 2on2 partner? Maybe spectating a game that was broadcasted in the channel? Without chat channels, these options are not viable.
One can only hope Blizzard remedies the situation after getting a damage report from the first six months and from feedback.
EDIT: I find it curious that the battle.net survey for the beta didn't have any questions relating to how easy / hard it was to find new friends or build a community
On May 29 2010 08:21 FeLonius wrote: I don't understand how they think the current ladder system is good. I find it so alienating... I don't even look at it anymore, and it's even worse now that they're hiding division numbers. It also drives me nuts that you have to click 'Ladders', then click another thing to get to the damn ladder. So clunky and bloated. I want to know my overall rank, not my rank among other players who did their placements at roughly the same time.
Bnet 2.0 sucks so bad at the moment that I wouldn't be at all surprised to find myself going back to Quake 3/Live if there aren't some marked improvements in the release version. Despite the fact that I really enjoy the game itself, I find myself never playing more than 4 games in a row.. just because I hate the platform so much.
tl;dr: QQ
My thoughts exactly. Battle.net 2.0 just feels cold and unwelcoming.
It's like we're playing for some stat that tells us we're 'good,' but we don't know what it means. We don't know where we stand in the hidden ladder. We can't even form chat rooms to look for partners.
Why bother getting better at the game when nobody cares?
Bahaha, I just noticed the line you added into the screenshot..
"But we basically just wanna throw this bitch on the market and rake in the dough."
I kinda miss the old regional channels. My regional channel (HKG-1) has very few people, so no spam etc... It is actually pretty useful for me to find other players from the same region.
On May 30 2010 03:35 kajeus wrote: I've noticed that a sizable proportion of people in this thread who flat-out aggressively disagreed with you were banned. :D
What a great site this is!
How did you dodge the ban?
On topic tho this stuff really sucks, i was really looking forwards to SC2 but without basic stuff like chat channels and cross region play.
I myself had to cancel my pre order so i could by a u.s copy after finding out NZ/AUS is grouped with SEA (South East Asia)for god knows what reason, but with all the recent interview's im starting to wonder if i should bother.
Love teh game hate battle net 2.0 and the tards at blizz for trying to run it into the ground.
On May 29 2010 16:28 knavery wrote: Spartan, I'm not missing the point of the chat room; but I think you're missing the point of battle.net. If you want to chat, then by all means go to mIRC and troll #starcraft2. Why should Blizzard waste their b.net resources on something that has nothing to do with the game? B.net 2.0 will be a competitive gaming community, not a chat community. Are you getting the point?
Bnet 2.0 is supposed to be Steam. Steam does not have chat rooms, it has personal pages, groups and friends lists. Hence, neither does Bnet 2.0. I think it's as simple as that.
Unfortunately, Bnet 2.0 is not a handy application that runs in the background and serves many purposes like Steam, it's a clunkier part of the SC2 main interface with a small website. Theoretically, a groups functionality that allows you to be a member of multiple groups (like Steam) would allow for the same kind of functionality... So, that's what I'm waiting for.
Whoever said that chat channels is the RTS equivalent of a dedicated server in an FPS is right, and I never thought of it that way. Good point.
EXACTLY! thats my stance aswell, they want bnet 2.0 to be like steam or windows live but at the EXACT same time, it is obnonxiously in your face. How am i supposed to form a clan if nobody will know about it? how can i challenge another clan if I need their FUCKING EMAIL ADRESSES just to even talk to them let alone find out who is leading this or that group.
i feel, that if they just made bnet more similar to stream and stopped this bnet, sc2 INTEGRATION and rather kept them as two opposing things where one is your manage your BLIZZARD products and your guild page while the other reverts back to some super hyped version of sc with chat channels lan support and awesomeness. IT WOULD BE PERFECT, and i love the idea.
Sadly blizzard have failed super hard at implementing both.
EPT
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