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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On May 21 2010 14:49 teamsolid wrote: Are they still laddering? I know they were pretty high on the ladders when beta first came out, but haven't heard much since then. CGM posted somewhere on TL that they were told to stop playing in the beta by Blizzard. | ||
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NATO
United States459 Posts
On May 21 2010 14:31 omgCRAZY wrote: Here are my views on the patch. FF nerf - Like it. Nothing too major, it helps the Ultralisk the most which needs it, the Thor and Collossi are going to be at the back of the army so for defensive purposes and splitting the FF will still do fine. FF will suck against mass Thors but I don't feel that is a huge deal breaker. Really has no effect on PvP. Helps and hurts them at the same time. Void Ray nerf - Perfect fix without ruining the unit. TY Blizz. Terran upgrade buff - What... the... fuck... Terran infantry do NOT need a buff. I was in the opinion that Maurader if anything needed a slight tweak to make massing them not as great but nothing major. A buff is just insane and does not reflect what most players are using at all unless the way games are played in lower levels is in need of this change (still breaking higher level play more). Ultralisk changes - Blizzards reasoning behind what they want the Ultralisk to be and do is great, how they did it is retarded. The damage changes are fine. The HP nerf is what I think is retarded, let the players atleast try out the Ultralisk without the HP nerf, if it is overpowered then fine, next patch nerf it. I think you pre-emptively fixed something that I do not think needed it. Overseer changes - I think this unit was fine. Now Zerg is going to be amazingly annoying in the hands of skilled players, to the point that a good Zerg will decimate any Protoss player they are up against unless the Protoss all-ins or cheeses (which has been the case for players of T or Z against any Protoss,hence why Blizz needs to pay more attention to the MU's rather than the stats). It feels as though Zerg players are not realizing how amazingly useful both of the new spells from the Overseer are going to be. Infested terrans did quite decent DPS (just died fast). With the Overseer able to drop 1 behind a mineral line they can still pick off or make workers pull off the line for literally no cost. Against Protoss the contaminate ability is crippling when used on the forge, twilight council(slowing our already hour long upgrades), the Robo Facility (which we usually only have 1-2 of), and the Stargate(also only 1-2 usually). Overall the Terran was buffed. I cannot say for sure but I would say Zerg was unchanged in the ZvT matchup (the problems that existed still exist (T > Z)), and Zerg was buffed against Protoss (Overseers are going to be amazing harass units (Z > P)). Before patch: T > P T > Z P =?= Z (was fairly even for me) After patch: T >> P T >> Z Z > P I play mainly Protoss... fml I agree with your complaints about toss. I think chrono boost should be buffed to compensate (I think that earlier nerf was overkill), but I like the diversity of zerg now. For the most part, I agree with the rest, however I have to disagree strongly with TvZ. Maybe since you don't play that matchup, you can appreciate where I'm coming from. Basically I do mech vs zerg now, which I find incredibly powerful, so any infantry unit changes have little affect. Also, the zerg I feel got hugely buffed this patch, and these abilities will help them vs terran as well. I'm not sure where the matchup would go now, as these are too big of changes to really theorize, but it definitely did not get worse for zerg. Ultras already own MMM balls with their AOE, and with the +armor will now (counter?) mauraders. With frenzy they even have a chance against thors, so this could really change ZvT. Overseer buffs should keep a terran on his feet just as much as toss, so that should help Z there as well. | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On May 21 2010 14:47 Jimmy Raynor wrote: What was the point of removing copper, and adding a diamond league above platinum? I hope they're changing the player distribution in the leagues and simply felt like changing some names to go along with it. If they're just renaming the leagues to make players feel more special...  | ||
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
and really, if u can give T cheaper stim, give zerg its roach back to 1 supply | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On May 21 2010 14:55 blabber wrote: can't believe they didn't do anything about the ridiculousness of siege tanks... and instead BUFFED Terran. Wow How are siege tanks ridiculous in any way? They're extremely expensive, have good counters and are generally quite inferior to their SC1 counterpart..... | ||
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FreshVegetables
Finland513 Posts
When is this patch actually comign out? Also Overseer IMBA!!!! | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
as for ultras, I think it's fair to say you don't make them vs marauders. Oh gee. they ain't useless even there, as someone has said, a lisk that gets two swings off on a marauder pack has pretty much paid for itself. Against pros that's not going to happen, but it's still pretty sickening. Where ultras really come in is, just like in BW, tanking splash- storms, tanks, collossus etc. I'd be interested in seeing a pack of ultras vs an equivalent cost in tanks, it's only 2v1 and with lisks doing 40 base damage, presumably 55 upgraded, making them 3 or 4 shot tanks *with splash*, I'd say this is the perfect response to tank marine unfortunately, it's getting there that's the problem >.>, always has been. Ultras would be fantastic mid game even if you had just one or two, like thors for terran or collosi for toss. But you just can't get them in that time frame safely as zerg. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On May 21 2010 14:55 blabber wrote: can't believe they didn't do anything about the ridiculousness of siege tanks... and instead BUFFED Terran. Wow this is a relatively recent trend of terrans, and blizzard's patches are always a couple weeks behind. i expect them to address it in either the next patch..or the following one which is likely after the beta comes back online >_< | ||
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earky
United States87 Posts
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baconbits
United States419 Posts
On May 21 2010 14:46 BladeRunner wrote: If my math is right and overseer's regenerate 1 energy per second: 1 Overseer with 200/200 can incapacitate 1 building for 2 minutes 10 seconds with a 10 second gap at 1:30 2 Overseers with 200/200 can incapacitate 1 building for 8 minutes 10 seconds with a 10 second gap at 7:00 3 Overseers with 75/200 can incapacitate 1 building indefinitely its about 3 energy over 5 seconds, or 1 per 1 2/3 approx. exactly perfect timing on injects on a new queen and they have 24 energy at the 40 second larva pops mark. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
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Actinium
United States13 Posts
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stockton
United States128 Posts
time to rework my matchups again lol. | ||
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
On May 21 2010 15:00 Zelniq wrote: this is a relatively recent trend of terrans, and blizzard's patches are always a couple weeks behind. i expect them to address it in either the next patch..or the following one which is likely after the beta comes back online >_< what or why do you want to nerf the tank? its just "ok". 3 supply 125/125. yes if you let get a terran 20 tanks sieged and covered with marines in bunk in a good position you are really fucked but thats the way. if he isnt sieged or has less support units chargelots/blink/colossi/void ray rape them. imo siege tank is equivalent to the colossi or broodlord. a strong damagedealer that can be countered easily if it has no support or if it doenst hit critical mass. | ||
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eNtitY~
United States1293 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On May 21 2010 15:02 baconbits wrote: its about 3 energy over 5 seconds, or 1 per 1 2/3 approx. exactly perfect timing on injects on a new queen and they have 24 energy at the 40 second larva pops mark. Even with the original math, a single overseer costs 100/0 + 50/100. Three overseers cost 450/300. Any single build costs less than that. I'm glad to have to old corruption back, but it doesn't change the fact that the corruptor is still useless. And the overseer corruption seems like you can't disable PFs, which was half of the point of corruption. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On May 21 2010 15:07 AmstAff wrote: what or why do you want to nerf the tank? its just "ok". 3 supply 125/125. yes if you let get a terran 20 tanks sieged and covered with marines in bunk in a good position you are really fucked but thats the way. if he isnt sieged or has less support units chargelots/blink/colossi/void ray rape them. imo siege tank is equivalent to the colossi or broodlord. a strong damagedealer that can be countered easily if it has no support or if it doenst hit critical mass. Tanks aren't really so much of a problem in TvP as in TvZ. There's no way to "stop" a Terran from getting 20 siege tanks if he wants to. What are you going to do, say "no mech kk" ? | ||
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