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ilnp
Profile Joined December 2002
Iceland1330 Posts
April 22 2010 19:10 GMT
#301
On April 23 2010 04:01 fatduck wrote:
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On April 23 2010 03:55 ilnp wrote:
you people blow my mind

marauders are not any better. 80s down to 60s and 100/100 down to 50/50. 50/50 takes what, ten seconds to mine? so 30 seconds of the game, you are facing marauders that are stronger than they would be last patch. OH MY GOD, T IS IMBA!~


Marauders were barely nerfed 2 patches ago...100/100 50/50 it doesn't really matter, the concussive shells were only really an issue for early game proxy rax cheese vs P (because zealots had absolutely 0 chance to stop it w/ slow).

Terrans will continue to mass marauders because they're fast, long range, high damage, high hp units with stim. They fulfill pretty much every role in the Terran army besides AA. Concussive shells is just a bonus. No saying T is imba, just saying there's almost no reason not to mass marauders as T.


oh i agree, they were barely nerfed and it was a stupid change -- almost as stupid as thinking changing it from 100/100 to 50/50 was important

100/100 changed nothing important. because of immo build time suddenly TvP became a ton harder, but the real problem is not only that marauders are either better than or equal to every unit in the game, but also that the majority of the terran army is either straight up useless, redundant, or just plain too weak for what it's supposed to do. add on to the fact terran is the least pliable of all the races -- why go something other than marauders?
8===D~~
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
April 22 2010 19:11 GMT
#302
Nice range on the infestor.
1RickHunter1
Profile Joined March 2010
United States10 Posts
April 22 2010 19:11 GMT
#303
some of you who look at this and just start to bitch make me sad you have to remember ITS A BETA.....more patches are going to happen stay clam and play show blizzard what is what pretty sure thats the whole point =/
teekesselchen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany886 Posts
April 22 2010 19:11 GMT
#304
I'm so disappointed.
No change to Forcefield
Immortal change not strong enough for beeing such a hard counter, though it's a good step
Protoss will still own Terran in later game stages
Zerg chances are so unimportant.
When they were introduced, he made a witticism, hoping to be liked. She laughed extremely hard, hoping to be liked. Then each drove home alone, staring straight ahead, with the very same twist to their faces.
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3454 Posts
April 22 2010 19:11 GMT
#305
THE EDITOR'S HERE!
CAPS CANNOT CONVEY MY HYPE!
I'm so excited.

Another Toss nerf.
Marauders, even stronger??
What are those new maps?
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
April 22 2010 19:12 GMT
#306
looking forward to seeing how the changes have affected the game.
Do you really want chat rooms?
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
April 22 2010 19:12 GMT
#307
Build Sensor Tower has been changed from W to N.
Terran Infantry Weapons have been changed from W to E.
Terran Vehicle Weapons have been changed from W to E.
Weapon Refit has been changed from W to R.

These don't make any sense, What was wrong with them in the first place? Sensor towers hotkey is now on the complete wrong side of the keyboard for me now.
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agleed.agleed
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany110 Posts
April 22 2010 19:12 GMT
#308
On April 23 2010 04:08 Crisium wrote:
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On April 23 2010 04:05 agleed.agleed wrote:
overall they really don't care that much about uniqueness so long as no 2 races have the same unit.


does not compute.


Roach and Marauder seem more akin to Protoss units. Compute?



yeah, I know what you meant. I was just being a smartass sorry
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
April 22 2010 19:12 GMT
#309
On April 23 2010 03:46 Ginko wrote:
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On April 23 2010 03:44 Sadistx wrote:
On April 23 2010 03:40 Zaqwert wrote:
This patch really shakes my confidence in Blizzard's ability to balance the game.

I have absolutely no idea what they are doing.


It was pretty obvious they have no fucking clue after that interview with Dustin. OH HEY LETS MAKE TONS OF COOL UNITS.

Balance, what's that rofl?


It seems that blizzard is balancing mostly baised on Korean play. There is a possibility that terran was being rushed with zealots or something in pvt i dont really know but dont be so quick to judge

Also sadist blizzard's way works, if they had balance in mind do you think any sc1 unit except the marine, firebat, zergling, hydralisk, zealot, and dragoon would have made it through?

think before you insult one of the most successful gaming companies of all time?
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
mgl0x9
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States256 Posts
April 22 2010 19:12 GMT
#310
Maruders got over nerfed in patch 8
Zerg Ownz your face off
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
April 22 2010 19:13 GMT
#311
On April 23 2010 04:07 FragKrag wrote:
Archon/DT/HT need buff

what the hell blizzardddd


you shoulda watched the match where White_Ra beat Thelittleone with dt's 5 minutes ago on day[9]'s stream
Kinmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 19:14:13
April 22 2010 19:13 GMT
#312
I think they left the shitty maps in the rotation because they still want more testing done on them. LT and Meta were probably removed from 2v2 because they are good maps and Blizzard feels they don't need further testing. By taking them out they get more focused testing on the new maps. Remember this is a beta. :p
"Dimaga getting just the right amount of banelings to kill 100% of everything!" - Day[9]
wolfe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States761 Posts
April 22 2010 19:13 GMT
#313
On April 23 2010 04:09 Paladia wrote:
They didn't mention the change (fix) to planetary fortress and HSM though, despite that they were fixed. I assume Blizzard are too embarressed to mentioned it.

Otherwise almost 50% less damage for HSM would be something people want to know about.



What change?
Swift as the wind, felt before noticed.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
April 22 2010 19:13 GMT
#314
On April 23 2010 04:12 Qikz wrote:
Build Sensor Tower has been changed from W to N.
Terran Infantry Weapons have been changed from W to E.
Terran Vehicle Weapons have been changed from W to E.
Weapon Refit has been changed from W to R.

These don't make any sense, What was wrong with them in the first place? Sensor towers hotkey is now on the complete wrong side of the keyboard for me now.

N is right beside B, which you press first anyways.
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
April 22 2010 19:13 GMT
#315
Marauder's definitely don't need to be any more powerful...but this is a much more sane cost for the upgrade. NOW, Blizzard can go ahead feel free to nerf their hp/damage!

The other changes are fine. Every patch, people whine about how Blizzard isn't making all of the drastic "THIS WILL FIX THE GAME!" changes the forum-goers are all suggesting...but that's usually because the proposed changes would be totally disastrous. Small changes, I think, are the way to go in balancing the game.
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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
April 22 2010 19:14 GMT
#316
On April 23 2010 04:08 MorroW wrote:
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ZERG
Infested Terran
Damage increased from 5 to 8.
Speed decreased from 1.5 to 0.9375.

hate the spell. it was useless and boring. i guess its alot better now, remmeber this is one of few spells that get higher dmg as u upgrade them. the 33% lower cooldown along with the 33% more dmg is probably gonna make this useful in some situations. but i still dont think infestors will use this in big battles seeing how the growth is AoE and neutral parasite such a beastly spell now with even more range


Btw, that's move speed nerf, not an attack cooldown buff. Their attack cooldown is already 0.8608, same as marines, and their move speed was 1.5
I'll call Nada.
ttlranger
Profile Joined April 2010
United States22 Posts
April 22 2010 19:14 GMT
#317
Doesn't seem like a bad patch. They aren't necessarily moving the marauder/immortal relationship the way I'd expect them too, but I don't see this as game breaking. And still, it's just the beta, so I expect to see a lot of screwed up patches as they tune the thing.

Fungal growth seems pretty powerful. No travel time on the cast seems like a big deal. Not sure if it'll change things too much, though, since marauders are still really really powerful. I don't know why they bother to give the infested terrans any movement at all, the way they kill their speed. They don't have enough duration to move around anywhere, anyway.

Happy to see new maps being added.
one from many
Dingo_egret
Profile Joined June 2005
Brazil97 Posts
April 22 2010 19:14 GMT
#318
On April 23 2010 04:06 Mohdoo wrote:
I think that Blizzard is smart for not focusing much on balance this patch. Balance takes time to sort out. Sometimes imbalances come and go just from people playing more and figuring stuff out. These Bnet changes are really good. I'd expect a balance patch maybe 2 weeks from now or so.

Definetly this. How many years was it before P players figured out how to be even against Z in BW? Everyone and their mother thought the matchup was a bit imbalanced in Z's favor when I joined TL in 2005, and when I came back for Sc2 suddenly no one's complaining anymore, with no balance changes in between.

People have to stop assuming they've figured the whole game out, especially with how young it is; even the best players around (which honestly complain MUCH less than most random people) can't really be counted on to make massive changes, simply because their play isn't developed enough at this stage. Maybe some could argue about marauder/roach/immortal being 'boring' and whatnot, but I just think maybe some new strategies that don't revolve around them still need to pop up.
"I should wake up from nightmares all sweaty and go like 'OH GOD HE'S BUILDING CANNONS UNDER MY BED'" - Day[9]
mgl0x9
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States256 Posts
April 22 2010 19:14 GMT
#319
We should all ling rush blizz in irvine...
Zerg Ownz your face off
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
April 22 2010 19:14 GMT
#320
Should make Infestor be able to cast Fungal while burrowed imo.

And god V for Spawn Larva is gonna mess me up so much @_@
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