EPT과일장수 plays zerg,hope u see how strong the zerg can be by a korean pro.
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PS:asia ladder by 4/18
top 10,7z 2t 1p.lol zerg is op
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shou0630
China30 Posts
과일장수 plays zerg,hope u see how strong the zerg can be by a korean pro. rep1 rep2 rep3 rep4 rep5 rep6 PS:asia ladder by 4/18 top 10,7z 2t 1p.lol zerg is op | ||
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
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shou0630
China30 Posts
On April 20 2010 02:05 speedphlux wrote: I've downloaded all of them, but I'm getting "Replay Desync" sort of error. Any idea how to fix that ? I had issue like that with some reps from DeMuslim u gotta rename to english name for that to work | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
 Coolhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120295 | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11573 Posts
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
On April 20 2010 02:06 shou0630 wrote: u gotta rename to english name for that to work Still doesn't work for me P.S. : I know where the reps are stored, yes. | ||
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lolreaper
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15476 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On April 20 2010 02:05 speedphlux wrote: I've downloaded all of them, but I'm getting "Replay Desync" sort of error. Any idea how to fix that ? I had issue like that with some reps from DeMuslim Make sure you don't have the custom AI installed. Revert to the original AI files, these can be found online for download with a bit of googling: "original sc2 AI files". | ||
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
On April 20 2010 02:33 zomgzergrush wrote: Make sure you don't have the custom AI installed. Revert to the original AI files, these can be found online for download with a bit of googling: "original sc2 AI files". THANK YOU !  God bless, long live and many victories in SC2 ! :D | ||
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25975 Posts
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Jin
Canada439 Posts
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Infernus
Norway222 Posts
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VereZ
France34 Posts
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aLt)nirvana
Singapore846 Posts
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Whiplash
United States2928 Posts
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
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Reno(TE)
United Kingdom434 Posts
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Whiplash
United States2928 Posts
it consisted of zerg scouting fast stargate followed by speedlings through the choke. | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
So far american and european players have impressed me more with solid timings and good transitions. These two games just looked like 2 players consenting not to do any good builds against each other and instead went for 40 min micro fests. I won't judge the player solely on those two games. Will be watching the rest ofc. But it made me a bit dissapointed this kind of flimsy improv game when I expected a solid korean macro / timing beast. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
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Ganondorf
Italy600 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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Ganondorf
Italy600 Posts
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
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YunhOLee
Canada2470 Posts
On April 20 2010 04:32 DarKFoRcE wrote: After watching a few of them i started to wonder how he became #1, it wasnt very impressive, checks or freedoms games looked much better hes incredibely good at making the good decisions at the right times.. | ||
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ModernAgeShaman
Norway484 Posts
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
On April 20 2010 05:34 YunhOLee wrote: hes incredibely good at making the good decisions at the right times.. No. I think he just has very very good macro while his micro is not that impressive. He doesnt play very creative and doesnt scout alot. Overall i think he is the typical BW player. His rank is prolly overrated we have aLOT of #1 platin palyers in europe as well not all are as good as muslim or TLO | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
Husky keeps talking about how the Asian playstyle is different than the EU and US style and I think that is what you guys are reacting to mostly. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25975 Posts
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Lollersauce
United States357 Posts
Sick infestor play? Ultras? Basically optional speedlings to roaches to mutas... zzz. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 20 2010 05:44 Grend wrote: Husky keeps talking about how the Asian playstyle is different than the EU and US style and I think that is what you guys are reacting to mostly. Nope, this style of zerg play has already found its way to the EU/US servers. The basic idea is to make a shitton of drones, get 1 gas fairly late and stay on only 1 gas for quite a while. Then once the economy kicks in just tech/upgrade/mass like crazy. As long as you survive the first big push or the tech (like banshees etc) you will pull out far ahead. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Grend
1600 Posts
On April 20 2010 05:58 spinesheath wrote: Nope, this style of zerg play has already found its way to the EU/US servers. The basic idea is to make a shitton of drones, get 1 gas fairly late and stay on only 1 gas for quite a while. Then once the economy kicks in just tech/upgrade/mass like crazy. As long as you survive the first big push or the tech (like banshees etc) you will pull out far ahead. Youre probably right. Just seems counter intuitive that the top Asian player apparently is worse than good EU, US players. | ||
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PSGMud
United States53 Posts
Why does it seem counter intuitive...? EU and NA are larger pools of players, thus, more good players will come out of it. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
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EnderW
United States170 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 20 2010 06:05 Grend wrote: Youre probably right. Just seems counter intuitive that the top Asian player apparently is worse than good EU, US players. Actually, it is quite reasonable. What people don't seem to understand is that Korea was not always the top dog in SC 1. They got there later than the US and EU, but once they got there, they stayed. Having said that, there's no telling how good Cool is without seeing him in a serious tourney. Anyone who follows Nony's stream knows that people don't demonstrate their skills in ladder matches. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 20 2010 06:05 Grend wrote: Youre probably right. Just seems counter intuitive that the top Asian player apparently is worse than good EU, US players. I highly doubt that Asians (and especially Koreans) will make up as large a portion of the top SC2 players as they did in BW. Esports is growing rapidly in the West and people are working really hard on their SC2 skills. | ||
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skYfiVe
United States382 Posts
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Bane_
United Kingdom494 Posts
SiR@SoNi) and TheWinD disappointing also or had you given up watching after the earlier reps?Here are the two other games from his PGR21 final match with TheWinD anyway since they weren't linked for some reason: http://www.mediafire.com/file/iwo0mom2igd/cool-vs-thewind_game2&3.zip EDIT - In fairness to TheWinD, although he got taken out 3-0 in the final, he had to beat Lui, SenSaTion, hyo, isskincom and Zenio to get to there, which is a far tougher lineup than Cool faced. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On April 20 2010 06:24 Azarkon wrote: Actually, it is quite reasonable. What people don't seem to understand is that Korea was not always the top dog in SC 1. They got there later than the US and EU, but once they got there, they stayed. Having said that, there's no telling how good Cool is without seeing him in a serious tourney. Anyone who follows Nony's stream knows that people don't demonstrate their skills in ladder matches. haha i love how that's kind of insulting. but it's not really =] just made me chuckle. like "go see how ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE nony plays in his ladder matches for proof!!" about the rep pack The only game with a Protoss in it was really terrible. Like exactly the kind of game you wouldn't put in a rep pack to show someone's skill. The Protoss build was horrible. Yeah, the Z countered it with extreme ease but... it's a bad build so no big deal. I'm not gonna try to judge the other games. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
 + Show Spoiler + Honestly I love your stream =D | ||
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rally_point
Canada458 Posts
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ThisIsJimmy
United States546 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On April 20 2010 07:20 Silent`Assassin wrote: I remember I played Nony on ladder and he didn't start playing until after over a minute had past. I was so confused I thought he was proxying or something and he just acted like he had no idea how to play and was just asking me shit lol. drugs | ||
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Rantech
Chile525 Posts
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OOl
United States65 Posts
On April 20 2010 06:36 Liquid`NonY wrote: haha i love how that's kind of insulting. but it's not really =] just made me chuckle. like "go see how ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE nony plays in his ladder matches for proof!!" about the rep pack The only game with a Protoss in it was really terrible. Like exactly the kind of game you wouldn't put in a rep pack to show someone's skill. The Protoss build was horrible. Yeah, the Z countered it with extreme ease but... it's a bad build so no big deal. I'm not gonna try to judge the other games. Lol hey Nony I work at 1-5pm EST on saturdays which seems to be a game time for you because I watch your stream all the time and I can't lie you do play bad on ladder but hey as someone else said tournaments are what count! | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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Bane_
United Kingdom494 Posts
See what you think: http://www.mediafire.com/file/dndjzuieywy/PvZ-comparison_blisteringsands.zip | ||
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
On April 20 2010 07:58 iG.ClouD wrote: It's hard to be impressive at this game, it just doesn't have the clutch units that made scbw so interesting to watch. I'm quite disappointed because the replays are against very average players (or so it seems). Wah thats so wrong. sc2 is so fast and enjoyable to watch man. I do already enjoy watching replays and observing more than actually playing the game itself. I liked sc:bw, but i was actually never enjoying observing the game or watching replays at all. Might just be me but i totally dissagree there | ||
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Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On April 20 2010 07:58 iG.ClouD wrote: I agree with this. Would love to see some more clutch units It's hard to be impressive at this game, it just doesn't have the clutch units that made scbw so interesting to watch. I'm quite disappointed because the replays are against very average players (or so it seems). | ||
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ooni
Australia1498 Posts
He's all macro and solid yet repetitive build order. It seems like to do well in the ladder (currently in beta), it's not just about what you excel at (especially creativity), it's mostly about whether you have a well practiced build order that could be slightly adjusted during the match. I am not saying you aren't rewarded for being innovative and creative, I'm saying right not solid build orders will win you the game, more often. Of course if the people start playing professionally and train 12 hours a day, they will all have a solid build order and great macro. At that point creativity or insane micro will be the absolute key winning factor. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
lol damn we need another nony-substance-abuse-noobie-humiliation video... | ||
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Zexion
Sweden971 Posts
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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On April 20 2010 10:17 Polygamy wrote: youtube link? to what? | ||
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Deleted User 31060
3788 Posts
On April 20 2010 02:09 theqat wrote: According to another thread, he is Coolhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120295 awesome, Cool was a great 2v2er and one of my better-liked unknown players back in the day (probably 2007 or something). I think he retired because his family had problems or something, and SangHo transitioned to 1v1s | ||
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super_toast
United States269 Posts
On April 20 2010 10:17 Polygamy wrote: youtube link? That one? | ||
Waxangel
United States33222 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
lol I could watch that vid a hundred times. I guess I should correct myself, it's a substance-abuse-newbie-abuse-video lolol | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
it's all about power/drones -> spam roaches/hydra and if you can do that good and then even add in an infestor or two, or make mass mutas after, you are solid | ||
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AncienTs
Japan227 Posts
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YunhOLee
Canada2470 Posts
On May 04 2010 03:28 AncienTs wrote: i think he is actually a retired chinese gamer.. hes not.. he's the retired pro gamer Cool. | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
On April 20 2010 05:58 spinesheath wrote: Nope, this style of zerg play has already found its way to the EU/US servers. The basic idea is to make a shitton of drones, get 1 gas fairly late and stay on only 1 gas for quite a while. Then once the economy kicks in just tech/upgrade/mass like crazy. As long as you survive the first big push or the tech (like banshees etc) you will pull out far ahead. This is how I like to play, except I do gas early vs terran because I like having early banelings. It's no different than BW really though - hold on til your t2 kicks in and your 2 base eco kicks in. The difference is I haven't had much experience with lategame transitions - usually I wreck T's midgame push and then win right there. I think that once terran builds become better optimized to fight this style of zerg play we'll see more lategame zvts. I didn't watch the reps yet but judging from the commentary I don't think it's worth my time. I might check them out later. | ||
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Clonze
Canada281 Posts
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Kezzer
United States1268 Posts
On May 04 2010 03:40 Clonze wrote: im scared to watch... I hope top us=top asia/eu I would say right now (us=eu)<asia | ||
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Pads
England3228 Posts
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Mentos
United Kingdom203 Posts
On April 20 2010 10:51 Waxangel wrote: by the way, just like EU and NA players love to bash Koreans players after watching their reps, Korean players love to bash EU and NA players just the same its more like: eu and na players watch reps of koreans, cant understand what is happening and spew out crap, while korean players cba to watch some newbies play. | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On May 04 2010 04:42 Mentos wrote: its more like: eu and na players watch reps of koreans, cant understand what is happening and spew out crap, while korean players cba to watch some newbies play. That's probably more accurate, yes. | ||
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Antpile
United States213 Posts
Can't believe I've never seen that. That was the best thing I've seen in a long time. | ||
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GoodCat1
Israel266 Posts
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MuuMuuKnight
Thailand107 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
What? You saw the ZvT on blistering sands? The terran was on 2 base and somehow managed to hit 2000 when losing a battle, against a zerg with free reign to drone up 3 bases, also at 2000 minerals, queens at full 200 energy, and constantly getting supply capped. Like constantly. Those games were extremely poor quality. Like on lost temple losing spine crawlers [ not 1 but more like 4] to bunkers you out range [this isn't GTR vs GI guys], getting rolled by pure marines which you can easily scout reactors with muta and wait till like 15 minutes before getting banelings, double expanding and not using the second expand. Like, both players played like SC 1 for most of the game. The ZvP? 2 stalkers --> expo OH HE HAS LINGS GG!! Granted there are obviously better players than these guys on asia, but this does not show it. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Smikis
Lithuania117 Posts
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FromGorkyWithLove
Latvia71 Posts
On May 04 2010 06:18 Smikis wrote: cant watch reps.. "the game makes reference to invalid or unavailable files" sup with that ? same.... what does that mean? i have this same issue when i tried watching some replays from replay thread... | ||
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Geval
788 Posts
On May 04 2010 06:20 FromGorkyWithLove wrote: same.... what does that mean? i have this same issue when i tried watching some replays from replay thread... Nah I think the replays were pre patch 10. The same with SC1. You cant watch old replays. Correct me if I am wrong | ||
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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Smikis
Lithuania117 Posts
On May 04 2010 06:29 Geval wrote: Nah I think the replays were pre patch 10. The same with SC1. You cant watch old replays. Correct me if I am wrong you could watch older versions replays before.. | ||
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Delvin
Finland141 Posts
On May 04 2010 06:47 Smikis wrote: you could watch older versions replays before.. Same problem, many people are having issues with old games after patch 10. Blizz is looking into it... And yes, they did work before. That's the reason all the previous patches are stored in the Beta\Versions subdirectory. | ||
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InSpiReZerG
United States159 Posts
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mynameisbean
Australia82 Posts
The end of era people. | ||
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chung
Korea (South)43 Posts
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Highwayman
United States181 Posts
On May 04 2010 05:44 Slayer91 wrote: What? You saw the ZvT on blistering sands? The terran was on 2 base and somehow managed to hit 2000 when losing a battle, against a zerg with free reign to drone up 3 bases, also at 2000 minerals, queens at full 200 energy, and constantly getting supply capped. Like constantly. Those games were extremely poor quality. Like on lost temple losing spine crawlers [ not 1 but more like 4] to bunkers you out range [this isn't GTR vs GI guys], getting rolled by pure marines which you can easily scout reactors with muta and wait till like 15 minutes before getting banelings, double expanding and not using the second expand. Like, both players played like SC 1 for most of the game. The ZvP? 2 stalkers --> expo OH HE HAS LINGS GG!! Granted there are obviously better players than these guys on asia, but this does not show it. I agree. So many mistakes it hurt to watch. Saccing so many mutas and not making banelings until way late was particularly painful. | ||
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VarsityUser
United States84 Posts
but think about this: Cool had 0/0 upgrades the ENTIRE Game. his units consisted entirely of ground and he didnt spend 200/200 in 40 mins to upgrade armor/weapons. I beleive if he had even one of these upgrades he would have won. There were many close battles involving mass infantry. The sad part he was trying to play "disciplined smart korean" so he didnt build an eng bay at all I think. Fail... europeans have an edge in this game because its not all robot-clicking. I got the game 2 days ago and am 3rd in platinum(the rank doesnt matter)... and after my 2nd game with terran I never failed to upgrade CC almost immediately in start / expand. I'd much rather have someone find replays of a guy named Someday.someday. Hes #2 in my platinum bracket but the shocking thing is he is 19-0. I don't care how you won 19-0 you must have discipline and skill, something none of these high rated koreans have thus far. | ||
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bloodynose
Canada44 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49984 Posts
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Zedd
Czech Republic107 Posts
can you help, please? | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
We've not seen much interplay yet between the Asians, Americans and Europeans but I did watch 2 recent best of series featuring Slush (arguably the best NA based Zerg) playing against arguably the best Protoss players in Europe and Korea. He beat White-Ra 5-3 in a best of 9 showmatch and was crushed 3-0 by Tester in the final of the Gosu Coaching cup. Both series had money on the line so it's safe to say all the players involved were trying to win and I certainly didn't get the impression from those games that it was the Korean who doesn't know how to play SC2. Demuslim has a best of series coming up against Freedom (one of the best Korean Zergs) tomorrow (Wednesday) and then another against Slush on Saturday, so that should give us a decent look at where the 3 communities stand in relation to each other. | ||
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NeoScout
United States103 Posts
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PaddyPower
United Kingdom82 Posts
F91 lost 3-0 to Freedom (Korea on top again) | ||
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Bane_
United Kingdom494 Posts
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DeVo
Germany71 Posts
On May 08 2010 23:02 Bane_ wrote: DeMusliM beat F91 3-0 I thought? 1 Win 2 Def Wins | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On May 04 2010 22:25 Zedd wrote: I renamed the replay but its giving me the error "replay is triying to make reference to invalid files..." can you help, please? I had this once and it was because of missing map files. Downloading all the maps in a custom game lobby solved it. | ||
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Arbalest
Canada25 Posts
I also learned how to defend better against siege tank on the cliff attacking your natural. Also kind of interesting that he never got any upgrades. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9014 Posts
On May 09 2010 00:01 FrogOfWar wrote: I had this once and it was because of missing map files. Downloading all the maps in a custom game lobby solved it. I did download all the maps and still have this problem | ||
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