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crate
United States2474 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:23 getSome[703] wrote: I think/hope that the contest ends with keys being awarded to people who have removed themselves from consideration. Selflessness deserves rewards. Selfishness does not. I'd say nominating oneself in the first place is a selfish act. | ||
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Cheree
Canada123 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:22 snowdrift86 wrote: I'm sure they'll all understand the error of their ways and quickly reform once they know you're watching them. I'm not arguing to reform them, I'm doing it to get to know them and see if I wish to socialize with them any further. I'm also empathizing with those who don't have beta keys to ease their depression. Yes, I'm a Saint, brought to Earth to spread love and care to the world. Tomorrow morning, I'm planning to go make a donation to Amnesty International and buy a goat the whole village can fuck. I'm just that kind of person. | ||
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LodiDodi
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
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leetchaos
United States395 Posts
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getSome[703]
United States753 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:25 crate wrote: I'd say nominating oneself in the first place is a selfish act. I disagree. People who are new to TL will not be familiar with names on the forum and people who do deserve a key. And a seemingly free chance to get a beta key opens up via self-nomination it is hard not to take without realizing the multitude of other deserving members. Hopefully though, after seeing the error of their ways, people will realize that there ARE people who want to play and deserve to more than they do, and consent to have their name removed. This recognition alone makes them deserving of a beta key IMO | ||
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prosky
Poland83 Posts
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:31 getSome[703] wrote: I disagree. People who are new to TL will not be familiar with names on the forum and people who do deserve a key. And a seemingly free chance to get a beta key opens up via self-nomination it is hard not to take without realizing the multitude of other deserving members. Hopefully though, after seeing the error of their ways, people will realize that there ARE people who want to play and deserve to more than they do, and consent to have their name removed. This recognition alone makes them deserving of a beta key IMO You say that wanting a beta key for yourself instead of allowing it to go to someone else is selfish (this is this thread). You say that wanting a beta key for yourself instead of allowing it to go to someone else is not selfish (this is nominating yourself to win one). I really don't see how you can logically agree with both of these sentences. | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
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Cheree
Canada123 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:25 crate wrote: I'd say nominating oneself in the first place is a selfish act. Go to a job interview and say 'No, I don't think I deserve the job. There are many more valuable candidates than me.' and leave. See if your humbleness deserves any reward. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:35 Cheree wrote: Go to a job interview and say 'No, I don't think I deserve the job. There are many more valuable candidates than me.' and leave. See if your humbleness deserves any reward. I never said selfishness is bad. I'm a very selfish person and I don't understand people who are not. I'm just attacking an argument that doesn't seem self-consistent to me. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:35 Cheree wrote: Go to a job interview and say 'No, I don't think I deserve the job. There are many more valuable candidates than me.' and leave. See if your humbleness deserves any reward. That's not relevant. For one, no one at most places of work are judging you on selfishness. Arguably, selfishness and ruthlessness are advantageous traits in many of those lines of work. | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:26 Cheree wrote: I'm not arguing to reform them, I'm doing it to get to know them and see if I wish to socialize with them any further. Oh, I'm sure they'll reform now! Who would want to miss out on having you as a friend? What can they do to obtain your forgiveness? | ||
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Cheree
Canada123 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:36 crate wrote: I never said selfishness is bad. I'm a very selfish person and I don't understand people who are not. I'm just attacking an argument that doesn't seem self-consistent to me. Also, another point. You could be a good contributor and nominate yourself. You could even be better than other nominees who didn't nominate themselves. To take an extreme example, a lifetime's worth of selfless acts shouldn't be shattered by the mere fact that one nominated themselves to bring it to the attention of people. | ||
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prosky
Poland83 Posts
Anyway, they shouldn't allow to nominate yourself in the begining. That would make people to think who is worthy of getting the keys, but they didn't do that and even mentioned that self-nomi is okay. That turned on crowd frenzy about "i wannaaa beta key", and this topic was created :D | ||
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getSome[703]
United States753 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:33 crate wrote: You say that wanting a beta key for yourself instead of allowing it to go to someone else is selfish (this is this thread). You say that wanting a beta key for yourself instead of allowing it to go to someone else is not selfish (this is nominating yourself to win one). I really don't see how you can logically agree with both of these sentences. Let me clarify then. You say that wanting a beta key for yourself instead of allowing it to go to someone else is/is not selfish (this is this thread). Wanting a beta key is not selfish. Everybody likes beta keys. And people who originally self-nominated themselves may not have realized that there are other more deserving people than they are. So in the scope of THESE people's knowledge, it is not a selfish act. They may not be aware of the work and effort many people have put into the TL community. However, people who nominate themselves knowing full well they have done shit and that other people have are being selfish. And of course, people who do ultimately realize and are OK with the fact that other people deserve beta keys more than they do by conceding this contest are not being selfish. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:39 Cheree wrote: Also, another point. You could be a good contributor and nominate yourself. You could even be better than other nominees who didn't nominate themselves. To take an extreme example, a lifetime's worth of selfless acts shouldn't be shattered by the mere fact that one nominated themselves to bring it to the attention of people. Then you drop out of the contest. If you value this community more than a silly beta key, the decision should be trivial. Selflessness implies doing good without expecting anything in return. Even if you've contributed to the community, by nominating yourself, you are asking for something in return. The fact that you've contributed is irrelevant to whether or not you're being selfish. Responding to an earlier post: On April 19 2010 06:20 Cheree wrote: Ah, the fun of being on the inside pissing out. The answer to "Why are you pissing on your members and newcommers?" is "You'll understand with time." Tough love, man. Tough love. It's not tough love. People who entered the community without expecting some material reward for being a member are treated just fine, and, as seen in the other thread, plenty were rewarded for it. The only people who have been given the tough treatment are those who feel like they *deserve* something. | ||
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prosky
Poland83 Posts
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:40 getSome[703] wrote: Let me clarify then. You say that wanting a beta key for yourself instead of allowing it to go to someone else is/is not selfish (this is this thread). Wanting a beta key is not selfish. Everybody likes beta keys. And people who originally self-nominated themselves may not have realized that there are other more deserving people than they are. So in the scope of THESE people's knowledge, it is not a selfish act. They may not be aware of the work and effort many people have put into the TL community. However, people who nominate themselves knowing full well they have done shit and that other people have are being selfish. And of course, people who do ultimately realize and are OK with the fact that other people deserve beta keys more than they do by conceding this contest are not being selfish. Wanting a beta key for oneself is selfish, by definition: selfish: arising from concern with one's own welfare or advantage in disregard of others (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/selfish) (I recognize that this is the second definition. Dictionary.com's first definition agrees with the one I quote here, and in my mind MW's first definition agrees also but I don't like the "excessive" qualifier because that doesn't at all apply to how I use the word so I don't quote that definition). Since beta keys are a limited resource, wanting a beta key for yourself (being concerned for your ability to play SC2 beta) instead of allowing it to go to someone else (disregard of others) is being selfish. Note that this says nothing about whether the selfish person deserves the key more or has done more for TL. That is irrelevant--read the definition of the word. | ||
LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On April 19 2010 06:47 prosky wrote: Anyway you consider all "low posters" new members. Remember that some of them might be like me - i like to read , not to write stuff ( well, that's probably i was too busy playing bw xD - it changed a bit now) but my account dates way back than Cheere or TheYango. So please, don't assume something just looking at someone post number. in a way it's almost worse that you joined in 2007 and don't even have 50 posts. it reminds me of baller's post On April 18 2010 08:37 baller wrote: i think its funny mad peeps think watching streams or loving/playing starcraft is "contributing". helping others is contributing. doing work 4 the site is contributing. entertaining urself by doing something u choose to do is not contributing. simply existing on a website is not "contributing". its like going to some1s house, not talking to the ppl there, watching the TV that they bought, eating the food they made, and then saying "ur welcome every1, no need 2 thank me just gimme a beta key" | ||
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