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On April 18 2010 05:14 Aldehyde wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 04:41 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 18 2010 02:51 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 02:19 jgju wrote:On April 18 2010 02:05 Aldehyde wrote:
I'm sorry, but this time I'll have to be selfish. I wish to remain on the list. Every single one of these guys has either 1 or 2 posts. What a fascinating social experiment this is turning into. edit: I'm not trying to sound smug because I'm obviously a newbie poster too, it's just interesting how the longer people are on TL, the more likely they are to support the community by dropping out- goes to show how strong of a community TL really is. Yes, I've only been a member for so long. No, I've not posted alot, nor have I contributed anything. I just wonder, how does one support this community anyhow? Do you have to have a high post count, is the post count what counts as contribution? Then let me go spam some threads for a while. Is it that one must go create a new fancy build order, if so, how many of you supporters have done so? Is it, perhaps, that one must make friends on this website? Is it that one must watch the streams on the site (because this one I do, alot, and have done so for quite some time)? What is a contributor on this site? Or is it just the friendly chaps that you have been getting to know that are deserving? It'd be nothing wrong with that, I'd totally understand it, but does being your friend mean that you are contributing to the community? Of course it does in some way but not in any way that we newcomers could possibly do, since we haven't had the time to get to know you. Also, there are several of you guys who say that we on the list should start talking to each other? About what exactly? "Hey, randomdude1 please give up your seat so that I could have it instead.", "Why don't you do it, Aldehyde? You could just as well do it instead of me.", "Randomdude1, we both know I am more 'deserving' than you are". That's silly. Take a look at me. I have... um, nearly 3000 posts now. Granted, a decent percentage of them are one/two-liners (appreciation statements and konadora statements), but a high number of them are productive, in my opinion. "Spamming some threads" could mean you Live Report for a late night pro match since there are so few of us left to do so. Many of my posts come from those threads, off OPs that I've created and that I stay up till 4, 5 in the morning sometimes to attend to. As for major contributions to the site, well we can't all be Ver. I'm only D+ on ICCup, so you wouldn't see me attending to very specific needs in the strategy forum. Making friends comes with time. I'm still not certain what constitutes making them, but you just get to know people as time goes along. I like my friends in the mafia section, and those that I LR with during the night. So, for me to be a deserving person of a key I should follow your lead? And then maybe in a year I can get one of the keys. I am really just trying to understand what makes me deserving, that was all I asked in the post that you quoted, yet you didn't answer a single thing. Am I to understand that I, as a newcomer and a SC newb (I don't even know what a 'Ver' is, do you mean Vet? Nor do I know what a Live Report is...) I am unable to be deserving of this key? This would be totally okay, I'd get it. I just want to know.
Ok, listen noob (since so many things get lost on the internets, I say this with the respect and sincerity an older brother would to a sibling). No one deserves the keys more than anyone else. People make that crap up for themselves so they can feel good about it. You 'deserve' a beta key, too.
However, the things you said about following flamewheel's lead, etc. are, indeed, good things to do for the community. You should pay attention to the people with higher post counts, special icons next to their names, and other people that are generally respected members. If it seems like they're setting a good example, then follow it.
With any new group you join, just like in every real life setting, it's best to take a somewhat passive role at first, just to learn the basics and get a feel for the way things work in the community. I'm not saying don't participate, just be extra considerate.
After you've done your time (and this varies greately from individual to individual), and become respected, you can be one of the leaders that ushers in the new crowd.
I want to tell you, welcome to the best Starcraft community in the world; you won't regret joining. And we're glad to have you.
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On April 18 2010 05:37 phlamez wrote:
If no one gets keys it'll honestly be embarrassing. This competition isn't "cruel" as people keep saying, it wasn't created to foster animosity or to prove a point about selfishness. TL is built around its community, from the people who stream or contribute in other ways, to the people who have been around forever with thousands of posts, to the people who lurk in every thread never feeling compelled to contribute their own opinion. While some of you might think that some of those above categories are more deserving of keys than the others, none of those groups are responsible for the keys that are being given out. The reason why TL has keys to give out in the first place is because it's a community site, and that community isn't simply a sum of the constituent parts. This wouldn't be a community if all we cared about were the people we knew personally, or the people who helped contribute the most. What makes it a community is our ability to empathize with other members we may not know very well based solely on their shared participation of TL.
Do everyone a favor and take yourself off the list, who cares if the keys go to people who have only posted a few times, be happy for your fellow TLer regardless of if its your best friend or someone you've never heard of. Today, let teamliquid be the only thing you share with the person you help, and let it be enough. I know a lot of you believe that you a very deserving because of your specific situation, and while I agree that you may be in a deserving situation, until you cross your name off you will never be a deserving person.
You make a very valid point.
Believe me, I have been turning this decision repeatedly in my mind, whether or not to withdraw from this list of names. I believe you are correct in your analysis of what TL should be. I believe you are correct in the honor of being selfless so that another member may enjoy the key, maintaining TL as enough of a bond to justify this act.
I just have two problems. First, many people who crossed off their names aren't doing so because they really want someone else to enjoy their key. Some of them just don't want the scorn by their fellow members. Like you said, TL is a community, and to have your community look down upon you as a group is not a fun position to be in. I really do appreciate each of you that have removed yourselves because of selflessness. You guys make me smile. 
Secondly, it almost undermines the concept of the OP. The idea was to nominate who we believed would be deserving of getting a key. However, if we are to rely on the principle of giving the keys to any one on TL to enjoy, then it should have been a random drawing instead. That way we could all have an equal opportunity to enjoy this key, and be equally shared in the joy of any member getting that key.
I appreciate the insight, I don't think anyone else has addressed the issue in your perspective yet. All in all, I hope this experience becomes a positive one for TL.
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On April 17 2010 20:10 Pholon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 19:14 DwmC_Foefen wrote:On April 17 2010 19:01 Cheree wrote:On April 17 2010 18:45 Pholon wrote:
This thread, however, is a chance for you to redeem yourself. Redeem themselves from what? There's nothing wrong with nominating yourself in a contest like this, especially when it was explicitely said it was okay to do so. I don't see people who got their very first beta keys giving them out to more deserving members of the community. People who don't have beta keys and didn't get nominated stand a better chance by self-nomination than no nomination at all. This patronizing attitude rubs me the wrong way. It's just wrong to nominate yourself :p The was called "Nominate SOMEONE to win a beta key". And then there were all these low postcount posters who went on and nominated themselves. How do you call that in English? Leechers? :p OH IM SORRY. I guess scrubs nominating themselves over so many unkeyed deserving people doesn´t rub you the wrong way huh? Wow that makes so much sense.
I missed this.
If a scrub nominates themselves, no it doesn't rub me the wrong way. If they win, it will rub me the wrong way. Do you see the distinction? Also, I don't believe the mere fact of nominating yourself makes you a scrub. You're making that statement without even giving those folks a chance to prove themselves, without even looking at what they have to say. The less information and interaction you have with someone, the further you should be from passing judgement. There's a categorical condescending attitude against these self-nominees who don't deserve the shit being thrown at them. Again, I'm not saying people who haven't proven their worth to the community should get keys, I'm saying they shouldn't be shunned for trying when it was explicitely said it was ok. If I were a judge, I would kindly note their nomination, see if they could convince me of their worthiness and weigh them up against everyone else's nomination. Granted. most of them would be less deserving by comparison imo, but they also don't deserve this kind of treatment from the community, especially from those who are supposed to be TL role models. There are self-nominations that could be deemed more deserving than peer nominations.
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On April 18 2010 05:14 Aldehyde wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 04:41 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 18 2010 02:51 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 02:19 jgju wrote:On April 18 2010 02:05 Aldehyde wrote:
I'm sorry, but this time I'll have to be selfish. I wish to remain on the list. Every single one of these guys has either 1 or 2 posts. What a fascinating social experiment this is turning into. edit: I'm not trying to sound smug because I'm obviously a newbie poster too, it's just interesting how the longer people are on TL, the more likely they are to support the community by dropping out- goes to show how strong of a community TL really is. Yes, I've only been a member for so long. No, I've not posted alot, nor have I contributed anything. I just wonder, how does one support this community anyhow? Do you have to have a high post count, is the post count what counts as contribution? Then let me go spam some threads for a while. Is it that one must go create a new fancy build order, if so, how many of you supporters have done so? Is it, perhaps, that one must make friends on this website? Is it that one must watch the streams on the site (because this one I do, alot, and have done so for quite some time)? What is a contributor on this site? Or is it just the friendly chaps that you have been getting to know that are deserving? It'd be nothing wrong with that, I'd totally understand it, but does being your friend mean that you are contributing to the community? Of course it does in some way but not in any way that we newcomers could possibly do, since we haven't had the time to get to know you. Also, there are several of you guys who say that we on the list should start talking to each other? About what exactly? "Hey, randomdude1 please give up your seat so that I could have it instead.", "Why don't you do it, Aldehyde? You could just as well do it instead of me.", "Randomdude1, we both know I am more 'deserving' than you are". That's silly. Take a look at me. I have... um, nearly 3000 posts now. Granted, a decent percentage of them are one/two-liners (appreciation statements and konadora statements), but a high number of them are productive, in my opinion. "Spamming some threads" could mean you Live Report for a late night pro match since there are so few of us left to do so. Many of my posts come from those threads, off OPs that I've created and that I stay up till 4, 5 in the morning sometimes to attend to. As for major contributions to the site, well we can't all be Ver. I'm only D+ on ICCup, so you wouldn't see me attending to very specific needs in the strategy forum. Making friends comes with time. I'm still not certain what constitutes making them, but you just get to know people as time goes along. I like my friends in the mafia section, and those that I LR with during the night. So, for me to be a deserving person of a key I should follow your lead? And then maybe in a year I can get one of the keys. I am really just trying to understand what makes me deserving, that was all I asked in the post that you quoted, yet you didn't answer a single thing. Am I to understand that I, as a newcomer and a SC newb (I don't even know what a 'Ver' is, do you mean Vet? Nor do I know what a Live Report is...) I am unable to be deserving of this key? This would be totally okay, I'd get it. I just want to know.
Ver is a poster on teamliquid. He is part of the liquipedia staff, as well as one of the top contributors in the starcraft strategy forum. The fact that people would bring up a name of a deserving contributor, especially when veteran forum members who also contribute bring someone up, take a little time to research why they are picked.
Anyone coming onto a community site and wanting a free key should know that when they go into a nomination thread with next to no posts or any contributions, you are going to get mocked or scorned by others. The people who are the backbone to why this community is what the veteran users view as the people MOST deserving. I find it incredibly rude for people who have not contributed, attempted to contribute, or downright won't to nominate their self over someone who in this community as earned it. This isn't an opt in, its a community site.
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I already posted to confirm I wanted to stay in on it, but I'm doing it again after receiving a PM from HotBid, not sure if someone had caught my previous post, so here it is.
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On April 18 2010 05:43 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:14 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 04:41 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 18 2010 02:51 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 02:19 jgju wrote:On April 18 2010 02:05 Aldehyde wrote:
I'm sorry, but this time I'll have to be selfish. I wish to remain on the list. Every single one of these guys has either 1 or 2 posts. What a fascinating social experiment this is turning into. edit: I'm not trying to sound smug because I'm obviously a newbie poster too, it's just interesting how the longer people are on TL, the more likely they are to support the community by dropping out- goes to show how strong of a community TL really is. Yes, I've only been a member for so long. No, I've not posted alot, nor have I contributed anything. I just wonder, how does one support this community anyhow? Do you have to have a high post count, is the post count what counts as contribution? Then let me go spam some threads for a while. Is it that one must go create a new fancy build order, if so, how many of you supporters have done so? Is it, perhaps, that one must make friends on this website? Is it that one must watch the streams on the site (because this one I do, alot, and have done so for quite some time)? What is a contributor on this site? Or is it just the friendly chaps that you have been getting to know that are deserving? It'd be nothing wrong with that, I'd totally understand it, but does being your friend mean that you are contributing to the community? Of course it does in some way but not in any way that we newcomers could possibly do, since we haven't had the time to get to know you. Also, there are several of you guys who say that we on the list should start talking to each other? About what exactly? "Hey, randomdude1 please give up your seat so that I could have it instead.", "Why don't you do it, Aldehyde? You could just as well do it instead of me.", "Randomdude1, we both know I am more 'deserving' than you are". That's silly. Take a look at me. I have... um, nearly 3000 posts now. Granted, a decent percentage of them are one/two-liners (appreciation statements and konadora statements), but a high number of them are productive, in my opinion. "Spamming some threads" could mean you Live Report for a late night pro match since there are so few of us left to do so. Many of my posts come from those threads, off OPs that I've created and that I stay up till 4, 5 in the morning sometimes to attend to. As for major contributions to the site, well we can't all be Ver. I'm only D+ on ICCup, so you wouldn't see me attending to very specific needs in the strategy forum. Making friends comes with time. I'm still not certain what constitutes making them, but you just get to know people as time goes along. I like my friends in the mafia section, and those that I LR with during the night. So, for me to be a deserving person of a key I should follow your lead? And then maybe in a year I can get one of the keys. I am really just trying to understand what makes me deserving, that was all I asked in the post that you quoted, yet you didn't answer a single thing. Am I to understand that I, as a newcomer and a SC newb (I don't even know what a 'Ver' is, do you mean Vet? Nor do I know what a Live Report is...) I am unable to be deserving of this key? This would be totally okay, I'd get it. I just want to know. Ok, listen noob (since so many things get lost on the internets, I say this with the respect and sincerity an older brother would to a sibling). No one deserves the keys more than anyone else. People make that crap up for themselves so they can feel good about it. You 'deserve' a beta key, too. However, the things you said about following flamewheel's lead, etc. are, indeed, good things to do for the community. You should pay attention to the people with higher post counts, special icons next to their names, and other people that are generally respected members. If it seems like they're setting a good example, then follow it. With any new group you join, just like in every real life setting, it's best to take a somewhat passive role at first, just to learn the basics and get a feel for the way things work in the community. I'm not saying don't participate, just be extra considerate. After you've done your time (and this varies greately from individual to individual), and become respected, you can be one of the leaders that ushers in the new crowd. I want to tell you, welcome to the best Starcraft community in the world; you won't regret joining. And we're glad to have you.
Seriously, I get all that. But many members seem to say that we newcomers aren't deserving of the keys and as I've said several times, I'd be cool with that.
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To be honest, I've totally forgot what I wanted out of this 'discussion'. Anyway, I have yet to decide whether I will opt out or not. I'll see what I do.
Peace out. (YEAH! Always wanted to say that but it sounds so cheesy, right?)
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On April 18 2010 05:43 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:14 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 04:41 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 18 2010 02:51 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 02:19 jgju wrote:On April 18 2010 02:05 Aldehyde wrote:
I'm sorry, but this time I'll have to be selfish. I wish to remain on the list. Every single one of these guys has either 1 or 2 posts. What a fascinating social experiment this is turning into. edit: I'm not trying to sound smug because I'm obviously a newbie poster too, it's just interesting how the longer people are on TL, the more likely they are to support the community by dropping out- goes to show how strong of a community TL really is. Yes, I've only been a member for so long. No, I've not posted alot, nor have I contributed anything. I just wonder, how does one support this community anyhow? Do you have to have a high post count, is the post count what counts as contribution? Then let me go spam some threads for a while. Is it that one must go create a new fancy build order, if so, how many of you supporters have done so? Is it, perhaps, that one must make friends on this website? Is it that one must watch the streams on the site (because this one I do, alot, and have done so for quite some time)? What is a contributor on this site? Or is it just the friendly chaps that you have been getting to know that are deserving? It'd be nothing wrong with that, I'd totally understand it, but does being your friend mean that you are contributing to the community? Of course it does in some way but not in any way that we newcomers could possibly do, since we haven't had the time to get to know you. Also, there are several of you guys who say that we on the list should start talking to each other? About what exactly? "Hey, randomdude1 please give up your seat so that I could have it instead.", "Why don't you do it, Aldehyde? You could just as well do it instead of me.", "Randomdude1, we both know I am more 'deserving' than you are". That's silly. Take a look at me. I have... um, nearly 3000 posts now. Granted, a decent percentage of them are one/two-liners (appreciation statements and konadora statements), but a high number of them are productive, in my opinion. "Spamming some threads" could mean you Live Report for a late night pro match since there are so few of us left to do so. Many of my posts come from those threads, off OPs that I've created and that I stay up till 4, 5 in the morning sometimes to attend to. As for major contributions to the site, well we can't all be Ver. I'm only D+ on ICCup, so you wouldn't see me attending to very specific needs in the strategy forum. Making friends comes with time. I'm still not certain what constitutes making them, but you just get to know people as time goes along. I like my friends in the mafia section, and those that I LR with during the night. So, for me to be a deserving person of a key I should follow your lead? And then maybe in a year I can get one of the keys. I am really just trying to understand what makes me deserving, that was all I asked in the post that you quoted, yet you didn't answer a single thing. Am I to understand that I, as a newcomer and a SC newb (I don't even know what a 'Ver' is, do you mean Vet? Nor do I know what a Live Report is...) I am unable to be deserving of this key? This would be totally okay, I'd get it. I just want to know. Ok, listen noob (since so many things get lost on the internets, I say this with the respect and sincerity an older brother would to a sibling). No one deserves the keys more than anyone else. People make that crap up for themselves so they can feel good about it. You 'deserve' a beta key, too. However, the things you said about following flamewheel's lead, etc. are, indeed, good things to do for the community. You should pay attention to the people with higher post counts, special icons next to their names, and other people that are generally respected members. If it seems like they're setting a good example, then follow it. With any new group you join, just like in every real life setting, it's best to take a somewhat passive role at first, just to learn the basics and get a feel for the way things work in the community. I'm not saying don't participate, just be extra considerate. After you've done your time (and this varies greately from individual to individual), and become respected, you can be one of the leaders that ushers in the new crowd. I want to tell you, welcome to the best Starcraft community in the world; you won't regret joining. And we're glad to have you.
i entirely disagree with the bolded sentence.
this is an extreme case, but you made an absolute statement so here's an easy way to refute it:
if i wanted a beta key versus someone who just registered for the site today, didn't read this thread, and posted nothing but "I WANT A BETAKEY!!!!!" who would be more deserving?
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On April 18 2010 05:58 LosingID8 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 18 2010 05:43 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:14 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 04:41 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 18 2010 02:51 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 02:19 jgju wrote:On April 18 2010 02:05 Aldehyde wrote:
I'm sorry, but this time I'll have to be selfish. I wish to remain on the list. Every single one of these guys has either 1 or 2 posts. What a fascinating social experiment this is turning into. edit: I'm not trying to sound smug because I'm obviously a newbie poster too, it's just interesting how the longer people are on TL, the more likely they are to support the community by dropping out- goes to show how strong of a community TL really is. Yes, I've only been a member for so long. No, I've not posted alot, nor have I contributed anything. I just wonder, how does one support this community anyhow? Do you have to have a high post count, is the post count what counts as contribution? Then let me go spam some threads for a while. Is it that one must go create a new fancy build order, if so, how many of you supporters have done so? Is it, perhaps, that one must make friends on this website? Is it that one must watch the streams on the site (because this one I do, alot, and have done so for quite some time)? What is a contributor on this site? Or is it just the friendly chaps that you have been getting to know that are deserving? It'd be nothing wrong with that, I'd totally understand it, but does being your friend mean that you are contributing to the community? Of course it does in some way but not in any way that we newcomers could possibly do, since we haven't had the time to get to know you. Also, there are several of you guys who say that we on the list should start talking to each other? About what exactly? "Hey, randomdude1 please give up your seat so that I could have it instead.", "Why don't you do it, Aldehyde? You could just as well do it instead of me.", "Randomdude1, we both know I am more 'deserving' than you are". That's silly. Take a look at me. I have... um, nearly 3000 posts now. Granted, a decent percentage of them are one/two-liners (appreciation statements and konadora statements), but a high number of them are productive, in my opinion. "Spamming some threads" could mean you Live Report for a late night pro match since there are so few of us left to do so. Many of my posts come from those threads, off OPs that I've created and that I stay up till 4, 5 in the morning sometimes to attend to. As for major contributions to the site, well we can't all be Ver. I'm only D+ on ICCup, so you wouldn't see me attending to very specific needs in the strategy forum. Making friends comes with time. I'm still not certain what constitutes making them, but you just get to know people as time goes along. I like my friends in the mafia section, and those that I LR with during the night. So, for me to be a deserving person of a key I should follow your lead? And then maybe in a year I can get one of the keys. I am really just trying to understand what makes me deserving, that was all I asked in the post that you quoted, yet you didn't answer a single thing. Am I to understand that I, as a newcomer and a SC newb (I don't even know what a 'Ver' is, do you mean Vet? Nor do I know what a Live Report is...) I am unable to be deserving of this key? This would be totally okay, I'd get it. I just want to know. Ok, listen noob (since so many things get lost on the internets, I say this with the respect and sincerity an older brother would to a sibling). No one deserves the keys more than anyone else. People make that crap up for themselves so they can feel good about it. You 'deserve' a beta key, too. However, the things you said about following flamewheel's lead, etc. are, indeed, good things to do for the community. You should pay attention to the people with higher post counts, special icons next to their names, and other people that are generally respected members. If it seems like they're setting a good example, then follow it. With any new group you join, just like in every real life setting, it's best to take a somewhat passive role at first, just to learn the basics and get a feel for the way things work in the community. I'm not saying don't participate, just be extra considerate. After you've done your time (and this varies greately from individual to individual), and become respected, you can be one of the leaders that ushers in the new crowd. I want to tell you, welcome to the best Starcraft community in the world; you won't regret joining. And we're glad to have you. i entirely disagree with the bolded sentence. this is an extreme case, but you made an absolute statement so here's an easy way to refute it: if i wanted a beta key versus someone who just registered for the site today, didn't read this thread, and posted nothing but "I WANT A BETAKEY!!!!!" who would be more deserving?
In the TL community circle, you would be.
In the community circle of the newly registered member, they would be.
A nomination does no harm.
The intention was to give to people in the community who are most deserving. The design of the contest fails at accomplishing that when only you can remove yourself from the list.
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On April 18 2010 05:57 Aldehyde wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:43 danl9rm wrote:On April 18 2010 05:14 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 04:41 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 18 2010 02:51 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 02:19 jgju wrote:On April 18 2010 02:05 Aldehyde wrote:
I'm sorry, but this time I'll have to be selfish. I wish to remain on the list. Every single one of these guys has either 1 or 2 posts. What a fascinating social experiment this is turning into. edit: I'm not trying to sound smug because I'm obviously a newbie poster too, it's just interesting how the longer people are on TL, the more likely they are to support the community by dropping out- goes to show how strong of a community TL really is. Yes, I've only been a member for so long. No, I've not posted alot, nor have I contributed anything. I just wonder, how does one support this community anyhow? Do you have to have a high post count, is the post count what counts as contribution? Then let me go spam some threads for a while. Is it that one must go create a new fancy build order, if so, how many of you supporters have done so? Is it, perhaps, that one must make friends on this website? Is it that one must watch the streams on the site (because this one I do, alot, and have done so for quite some time)? What is a contributor on this site? Or is it just the friendly chaps that you have been getting to know that are deserving? It'd be nothing wrong with that, I'd totally understand it, but does being your friend mean that you are contributing to the community? Of course it does in some way but not in any way that we newcomers could possibly do, since we haven't had the time to get to know you. Also, there are several of you guys who say that we on the list should start talking to each other? About what exactly? "Hey, randomdude1 please give up your seat so that I could have it instead.", "Why don't you do it, Aldehyde? You could just as well do it instead of me.", "Randomdude1, we both know I am more 'deserving' than you are". That's silly. Take a look at me. I have... um, nearly 3000 posts now. Granted, a decent percentage of them are one/two-liners (appreciation statements and konadora statements), but a high number of them are productive, in my opinion. "Spamming some threads" could mean you Live Report for a late night pro match since there are so few of us left to do so. Many of my posts come from those threads, off OPs that I've created and that I stay up till 4, 5 in the morning sometimes to attend to. As for major contributions to the site, well we can't all be Ver. I'm only D+ on ICCup, so you wouldn't see me attending to very specific needs in the strategy forum. Making friends comes with time. I'm still not certain what constitutes making them, but you just get to know people as time goes along. I like my friends in the mafia section, and those that I LR with during the night. So, for me to be a deserving person of a key I should follow your lead? And then maybe in a year I can get one of the keys. I am really just trying to understand what makes me deserving, that was all I asked in the post that you quoted, yet you didn't answer a single thing. Am I to understand that I, as a newcomer and a SC newb (I don't even know what a 'Ver' is, do you mean Vet? Nor do I know what a Live Report is...) I am unable to be deserving of this key? This would be totally okay, I'd get it. I just want to know. Ok, listen noob (since so many things get lost on the internets, I say this with the respect and sincerity an older brother would to a sibling). No one deserves the keys more than anyone else. People make that crap up for themselves so they can feel good about it. You 'deserve' a beta key, too. However, the things you said about following flamewheel's lead, etc. are, indeed, good things to do for the community. You should pay attention to the people with higher post counts, special icons next to their names, and other people that are generally respected members. If it seems like they're setting a good example, then follow it. With any new group you join, just like in every real life setting, it's best to take a somewhat passive role at first, just to learn the basics and get a feel for the way things work in the community. I'm not saying don't participate, just be extra considerate. After you've done your time (and this varies greately from individual to individual), and become respected, you can be one of the leaders that ushers in the new crowd. I want to tell you, welcome to the best Starcraft community in the world; you won't regret joining. And we're glad to have you. Seriously, I get all that. But many members seem to say that we newcomers aren't deserving of the keys and as I've said several times, I'd be cool with that. ... To be honest, I've totally forgot what I wanted out of this 'discussion'. Anyway, I have yet to decide whether I will opt out or not. I'll see what I do. Peace out. (YEAH! Always wanted to say that but it sounds so cheesy, right?)
it isn't necessarily that newcomers aren't deserving of a beta key. it's the fact that these newcomers are coming onto an established community site (not some revenue-driven gaming news portal or whatever) and are requesting a betakey with one of their first posts. it doesn't really leave a good impression. sure, they might end up being good members in the future, there's no guarantee of that. on the other hand, there are people in the thread that have been nominated by OTHER members in recognition of their contributions to the site who haven't received a beta key yet.
it's a matter of being MORE deserving than other members, rather than deserving of a betakey. i believe that anyone who is a fan of brood war deserves a beta key but we have a limited supply so that isn't feasible.
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CA10824 Posts
On April 18 2010 06:02 Cheree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:58 LosingID8 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 18 2010 05:43 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:14 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 04:41 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 18 2010 02:51 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 02:19 jgju wrote:On April 18 2010 02:05 Aldehyde wrote:
I'm sorry, but this time I'll have to be selfish. I wish to remain on the list. Every single one of these guys has either 1 or 2 posts. What a fascinating social experiment this is turning into. edit: I'm not trying to sound smug because I'm obviously a newbie poster too, it's just interesting how the longer people are on TL, the more likely they are to support the community by dropping out- goes to show how strong of a community TL really is. Yes, I've only been a member for so long. No, I've not posted alot, nor have I contributed anything. I just wonder, how does one support this community anyhow? Do you have to have a high post count, is the post count what counts as contribution? Then let me go spam some threads for a while. Is it that one must go create a new fancy build order, if so, how many of you supporters have done so? Is it, perhaps, that one must make friends on this website? Is it that one must watch the streams on the site (because this one I do, alot, and have done so for quite some time)? What is a contributor on this site? Or is it just the friendly chaps that you have been getting to know that are deserving? It'd be nothing wrong with that, I'd totally understand it, but does being your friend mean that you are contributing to the community? Of course it does in some way but not in any way that we newcomers could possibly do, since we haven't had the time to get to know you. Also, there are several of you guys who say that we on the list should start talking to each other? About what exactly? "Hey, randomdude1 please give up your seat so that I could have it instead.", "Why don't you do it, Aldehyde? You could just as well do it instead of me.", "Randomdude1, we both know I am more 'deserving' than you are". That's silly. Take a look at me. I have... um, nearly 3000 posts now. Granted, a decent percentage of them are one/two-liners (appreciation statements and konadora statements), but a high number of them are productive, in my opinion. "Spamming some threads" could mean you Live Report for a late night pro match since there are so few of us left to do so. Many of my posts come from those threads, off OPs that I've created and that I stay up till 4, 5 in the morning sometimes to attend to. As for major contributions to the site, well we can't all be Ver. I'm only D+ on ICCup, so you wouldn't see me attending to very specific needs in the strategy forum. Making friends comes with time. I'm still not certain what constitutes making them, but you just get to know people as time goes along. I like my friends in the mafia section, and those that I LR with during the night. So, for me to be a deserving person of a key I should follow your lead? And then maybe in a year I can get one of the keys. I am really just trying to understand what makes me deserving, that was all I asked in the post that you quoted, yet you didn't answer a single thing. Am I to understand that I, as a newcomer and a SC newb (I don't even know what a 'Ver' is, do you mean Vet? Nor do I know what a Live Report is...) I am unable to be deserving of this key? This would be totally okay, I'd get it. I just want to know. Ok, listen noob (since so many things get lost on the internets, I say this with the respect and sincerity an older brother would to a sibling). No one deserves the keys more than anyone else. People make that crap up for themselves so they can feel good about it. You 'deserve' a beta key, too. However, the things you said about following flamewheel's lead, etc. are, indeed, good things to do for the community. You should pay attention to the people with higher post counts, special icons next to their names, and other people that are generally respected members. If it seems like they're setting a good example, then follow it. With any new group you join, just like in every real life setting, it's best to take a somewhat passive role at first, just to learn the basics and get a feel for the way things work in the community. I'm not saying don't participate, just be extra considerate. After you've done your time (and this varies greately from individual to individual), and become respected, you can be one of the leaders that ushers in the new crowd. I want to tell you, welcome to the best Starcraft community in the world; you won't regret joining. And we're glad to have you. i entirely disagree with the bolded sentence. this is an extreme case, but you made an absolute statement so here's an easy way to refute it: if i wanted a beta key versus someone who just registered for the site today, didn't read this thread, and posted nothing but "I WANT A BETAKEY!!!!!" who would be more deserving? In the TL community circle, you would be.
In the community circle of the newly registered member, they would be.A nomination does no harm. The intention was to give to people in the community who are most deserving. The design of the contest fails at accomplishing that when only you can remove yourself from the list.
the problem with your post is that while the concept of the TL community exists, there is no such thing as the community of newly registered members. how can there a community when you have never read a post by the other person?
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On April 18 2010 06:06 LosingID8 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 18 2010 06:02 Cheree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:58 LosingID8 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 18 2010 05:43 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:14 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 04:41 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 18 2010 02:51 Aldehyde wrote:On April 18 2010 02:19 jgju wrote:On April 18 2010 02:05 Aldehyde wrote:
I'm sorry, but this time I'll have to be selfish. I wish to remain on the list. Every single one of these guys has either 1 or 2 posts. What a fascinating social experiment this is turning into. edit: I'm not trying to sound smug because I'm obviously a newbie poster too, it's just interesting how the longer people are on TL, the more likely they are to support the community by dropping out- goes to show how strong of a community TL really is. Yes, I've only been a member for so long. No, I've not posted alot, nor have I contributed anything. I just wonder, how does one support this community anyhow? Do you have to have a high post count, is the post count what counts as contribution? Then let me go spam some threads for a while. Is it that one must go create a new fancy build order, if so, how many of you supporters have done so? Is it, perhaps, that one must make friends on this website? Is it that one must watch the streams on the site (because this one I do, alot, and have done so for quite some time)? What is a contributor on this site? Or is it just the friendly chaps that you have been getting to know that are deserving? It'd be nothing wrong with that, I'd totally understand it, but does being your friend mean that you are contributing to the community? Of course it does in some way but not in any way that we newcomers could possibly do, since we haven't had the time to get to know you. Also, there are several of you guys who say that we on the list should start talking to each other? About what exactly? "Hey, randomdude1 please give up your seat so that I could have it instead.", "Why don't you do it, Aldehyde? You could just as well do it instead of me.", "Randomdude1, we both know I am more 'deserving' than you are". That's silly. Take a look at me. I have... um, nearly 3000 posts now. Granted, a decent percentage of them are one/two-liners (appreciation statements and konadora statements), but a high number of them are productive, in my opinion. "Spamming some threads" could mean you Live Report for a late night pro match since there are so few of us left to do so. Many of my posts come from those threads, off OPs that I've created and that I stay up till 4, 5 in the morning sometimes to attend to. As for major contributions to the site, well we can't all be Ver. I'm only D+ on ICCup, so you wouldn't see me attending to very specific needs in the strategy forum. Making friends comes with time. I'm still not certain what constitutes making them, but you just get to know people as time goes along. I like my friends in the mafia section, and those that I LR with during the night. So, for me to be a deserving person of a key I should follow your lead? And then maybe in a year I can get one of the keys. I am really just trying to understand what makes me deserving, that was all I asked in the post that you quoted, yet you didn't answer a single thing. Am I to understand that I, as a newcomer and a SC newb (I don't even know what a 'Ver' is, do you mean Vet? Nor do I know what a Live Report is...) I am unable to be deserving of this key? This would be totally okay, I'd get it. I just want to know. Ok, listen noob (since so many things get lost on the internets, I say this with the respect and sincerity an older brother would to a sibling). No one deserves the keys more than anyone else. People make that crap up for themselves so they can feel good about it. You 'deserve' a beta key, too. However, the things you said about following flamewheel's lead, etc. are, indeed, good things to do for the community. You should pay attention to the people with higher post counts, special icons next to their names, and other people that are generally respected members. If it seems like they're setting a good example, then follow it. With any new group you join, just like in every real life setting, it's best to take a somewhat passive role at first, just to learn the basics and get a feel for the way things work in the community. I'm not saying don't participate, just be extra considerate. After you've done your time (and this varies greately from individual to individual), and become respected, you can be one of the leaders that ushers in the new crowd. I want to tell you, welcome to the best Starcraft community in the world; you won't regret joining. And we're glad to have you. i entirely disagree with the bolded sentence. this is an extreme case, but you made an absolute statement so here's an easy way to refute it: if i wanted a beta key versus someone who just registered for the site today, didn't read this thread, and posted nothing but "I WANT A BETAKEY!!!!!" who would be more deserving? In the TL community circle, you would be.
In the community circle of the newly registered member, they would be.A nomination does no harm. The intention was to give to people in the community who are most deserving. The design of the contest fails at accomplishing that when only you can remove yourself from the list. the problem with your post is that while the concept of the TL community exists, there is no such thing as the community of newly registered members. how can there a community when you have never read a post by the other person?
I mean the community from whence they came. Example, they might be a valued contributor of the WC3 community and if the contest was held there, newly registered members who come from the TL community would be deemed less deserving. And it makes sense. What doesn't make sense is this community backlash when all they've done is nominate themselves, not win. Even if they won, the judges would be to blame for not giving the key out to the most deserving contributors in this community.
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On April 18 2010 06:08 OpRaider wrote:
I still nominate myself!
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I sincerely hope that the opt-outs are the ones who actually end up with the keys (despite Hotbid's continued confirmation that isn't going to be the case).
If it doesn't turn out that way, I'll try to churn out a key or two via the Facebook key-contests to the 'truly deserving' .
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I hardly recognize any of the names in that list. :|
I think syz-adrenaline deserves one though due to the tournament he helped sponsor with Xeris a few months back, if no one else.
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This is gonna be crazy haha, im pretty sure anyone who follows this site is at least somewhat deserving of a key. Best of luck to all.
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W8 why I always miss things like this... damn.
Well Im going to wait until they release the game..T_T
I just keep watching Khan owning everything (!!!)
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On April 18 2010 06:14 exalted wrote:I sincerely hope that the opt-outs are the ones who actually end up with the keys (despite Hotbid's continued confirmation that isn't going to be the case). If it doesn't turn out that way, I'll try to churn out a key or two via the Facebook key-contests to the 'truly deserving' .
Well if the opt-outs get it then you are giving a beta key to someone who nominated themselves. Sure they changed their minds but wouldn't you rather give it to someone who genuinely got nominated? And by that I don't mean combat-ex.
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On April 18 2010 06:20 mark05 wrote:
I stay in
Haha give it to mark05 this guy has my seal of approval. Seriously he's a great dude.
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