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conTAgi0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-17 19:45:06
April 17 2010 19:44 GMT
#661
This is such a brilliant contest. It's essentially extra justification for being the profoundly cynical person I am :D

Even if I somehow turn out to be wrong, it's an interesting social experiment.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
April 17 2010 19:47 GMT
#662
Haha I cancelled out my own self-nomination
Chains none
Cheree
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada123 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-17 19:57:01
April 17 2010 19:51 GMT
#663
On April 18 2010 04:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 18 2010 04:25 Pergamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 04:16 Hot_Bid wrote:
New Rule:
All users who have opted in will have to post in the final two hours to confirm their opt in. This will be to remove all users who simply opt in and never read the thread again.


That's pretty cruel. I understand that it makes it easier to decide who gets beta, but i have be up between 4 and 6 am to able to opt in? Whatever it takes to make me "worthy", i guess.

You could always just opt out, since this opportunity didn't exist before this thread, you aren't really losing anything. Plus you can help the others have a better chance to get one.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 18 2010 04:20 3FFA wrote:
edit: after no one gets a key, what happens to them?

Not sure, but they won't go to the people on the list.

"You aren't really losing anything?" Does that mean no one will get keys? Cause if people do have a legitimate chance, your statement of not really losing anything by opting out means, in the end, not getting a key. A chance at a key is as good as having a key if you win. It all starts with a chance, if that chance means nothing, then getting a key means nothing. Maybe it doesn't mean that much to you, but it does to a lot of people. Example: "You shouldn't go to school to get an education, cause really, you're not losing anything." You're only missing out on an opportunity to gain something. Opportunity cost is still a loss.

And 'help others' by opting out? You're only hurting yourself if you do that. It's not like the keys will get destroyed if no one wins. They'll be given based in some other more sensible manner. Whether you opt out or not, the same number of people will benefit from the keys, so if you do opt out, you're supporting this group of people over everyone else who might want the beta keys.
*wants beta*
Gokain
Profile Joined April 2010
United States49 Posts
April 17 2010 19:52 GMT
#664
On April 18 2010 04:32 IndecisivePenguin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 04:27 Gokain wrote:
On April 18 2010 03:44 IndecisivePenguin wrote:
Oh yeah, not to mention all the people who will say "I'm staying in" simply because of that message that was sent. And then they won't look at this thread again because they've secured their stay.

Our first problem was 1-time posters not seeing this thread.
Now it's the 2/3-time posters who say they're here and still alive so they won't get out opted-out, and then never seeing the thread again.


It's astounding to see how you can judge so easily. You simply want a key for yourself or for others who you think are worthy. That's all you essentially have to state. There's no need to identify your problem by berating every poster who made an acct after seeing this contest. You have no idea whether all of those people are key-greedy or simply were too intimidated by SC1 and how far developed its metagame had become. Instead of universally denying us a chance to get involved, how about trying to realize that there are some who truly want to immerse themselves in this game, but are just late at doing so.


I have absolute respect for those who wish to get involved, and I deeply apologize if I have been hypocritical for prejudging in any way. I assure you that if I have, or if it appears I have, it was not intentional. Just know that I wasn't directing these posts specifically toward people like you just because you have a low post count. Heck, I have a low post count in my opinion.

I do not wish to universally deny you or anyone the chance to get involved; in fact, that's part of the point I'm trying to make. I really see this key giveaway as an opportunity for us newer members to get involved, because we know it's so hard to without a key or a history backing us up.

I apologize again if I have been unclear. I reiterate that I want newer posters who have a passion to contribute to remain on this list. I do not want those who have done so for selfish reasons to remain on this list. Best wishes to all.


i don't take any offense to what you wrote, and I do agree with you. My post count is so low, so it seems like I made this acct specifically for this contest, and nothing more. But in reality, it was a spark that necessitated that I join a forum that I've been reading and acquiring knowledge from since the beta started.

The system in general is cruel. We dedicated newcomers want to play and become better, but the likelihood of us obtaining a key to do so is so slim. As a result, we sit around, watch videos and battle reports of streams trying to gain more knowledge about the strats, and new techs being introduced, while others are playing and actually employing their knowledge. They become better at playing the game, while we remain stagnate until the final version of the game is released, when the competition is already so far ahead of us.
Attris
Profile Joined September 2009
United States175 Posts
April 17 2010 20:02 GMT
#665
I am keeping myself still nominated.
Are you serious? |sRs| www.srejects.com
PhoenixDown
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada33 Posts
April 17 2010 20:02 GMT
#666
On April 18 2010 02:54 Kalpman wrote:
I don't want to get a key.

Im saying this to improve the chances of my friend Aerikr getting a key as Im confident in the fact that he is the one most worthy of it, despite how modest he's being about it.

Please give the key to Aerikr since he is such a great guy and a huge starcraft fan.


Are you Aerikr ?
Housemd
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1407 Posts
April 17 2010 20:03 GMT
#667
On April 18 2010 04:52 Gokain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 04:32 IndecisivePenguin wrote:
On April 18 2010 04:27 Gokain wrote:
On April 18 2010 03:44 IndecisivePenguin wrote:
Oh yeah, not to mention all the people who will say "I'm staying in" simply because of that message that was sent. And then they won't look at this thread again because they've secured their stay.

Our first problem was 1-time posters not seeing this thread.
Now it's the 2/3-time posters who say they're here and still alive so they won't get out opted-out, and then never seeing the thread again.


It's astounding to see how you can judge so easily. You simply want a key for yourself or for others who you think are worthy. That's all you essentially have to state. There's no need to identify your problem by berating every poster who made an acct after seeing this contest. You have no idea whether all of those people are key-greedy or simply were too intimidated by SC1 and how far developed its metagame had become. Instead of universally denying us a chance to get involved, how about trying to realize that there are some who truly want to immerse themselves in this game, but are just late at doing so.


I have absolute respect for those who wish to get involved, and I deeply apologize if I have been hypocritical for prejudging in any way. I assure you that if I have, or if it appears I have, it was not intentional. Just know that I wasn't directing these posts specifically toward people like you just because you have a low post count. Heck, I have a low post count in my opinion.

I do not wish to universally deny you or anyone the chance to get involved; in fact, that's part of the point I'm trying to make. I really see this key giveaway as an opportunity for us newer members to get involved, because we know it's so hard to without a key or a history backing us up.

I apologize again if I have been unclear. I reiterate that I want newer posters who have a passion to contribute to remain on this list. I do not want those who have done so for selfish reasons to remain on this list. Best wishes to all.


i don't take any offense to what you wrote, and I do agree with you. My post count is so low, so it seems like I made this acct specifically for this contest, and nothing more. But in reality, it was a spark that necessitated that I join a forum that I've been reading and acquiring knowledge from since the beta started.

The system in general is cruel. We dedicated newcomers want to play and become better, but the likelihood of us obtaining a key to do so is so slim. As a result, we sit around, watch videos and battle reports of streams trying to gain more knowledge about the strats, and new techs being introduced, while others are playing and actually employing their knowledge. They become better at playing the game, while we remain stagnate until the final version of the game is released, when the competition is already so far ahead of us.



Your absolutely correct. Even though i conceded my nomination to focus on other priorities, this is exactly why i entered in the first place. The people on top of the ladder right now will get even better simply because of more playing time. Also, we think that we're learning from watching the streams and the "good" people playing, that's bullshit. We can't actually learn until we apply something to the game. I mean i can watch one-hundred replays of the 3 hatch muta into 5 hatch hydra but am i going to learn how to properly execute until i try it several times? The answer is simply: no.

Personally, i think that Blizzard needs to release an open beta or the game in the next month or month and a half. The people without a key are waiting so long that eventually they're going to get tired of not playing which could detract the fan-base.
Fantasy is a beast
uiCk
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1925 Posts
April 17 2010 20:05 GMT
#668
Joined TL.net Saturday, 7th of December 2002

sup. T__T
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
IndecisivePenguin
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States771 Posts
April 17 2010 20:05 GMT
#669
On April 18 2010 04:52 Gokain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 04:32 IndecisivePenguin wrote:
On April 18 2010 04:27 Gokain wrote:
On April 18 2010 03:44 IndecisivePenguin wrote:
Oh yeah, not to mention all the people who will say "I'm staying in" simply because of that message that was sent. And then they won't look at this thread again because they've secured their stay.

Our first problem was 1-time posters not seeing this thread.
Now it's the 2/3-time posters who say they're here and still alive so they won't get out opted-out, and then never seeing the thread again.


It's astounding to see how you can judge so easily. You simply want a key for yourself or for others who you think are worthy. That's all you essentially have to state. There's no need to identify your problem by berating every poster who made an acct after seeing this contest. You have no idea whether all of those people are key-greedy or simply were too intimidated by SC1 and how far developed its metagame had become. Instead of universally denying us a chance to get involved, how about trying to realize that there are some who truly want to immerse themselves in this game, but are just late at doing so.


I have absolute respect for those who wish to get involved, and I deeply apologize if I have been hypocritical for prejudging in any way. I assure you that if I have, or if it appears I have, it was not intentional. Just know that I wasn't directing these posts specifically toward people like you just because you have a low post count. Heck, I have a low post count in my opinion.

I do not wish to universally deny you or anyone the chance to get involved; in fact, that's part of the point I'm trying to make. I really see this key giveaway as an opportunity for us newer members to get involved, because we know it's so hard to without a key or a history backing us up.

I apologize again if I have been unclear. I reiterate that I want newer posters who have a passion to contribute to remain on this list. I do not want those who have done so for selfish reasons to remain on this list. Best wishes to all.


i don't take any offense to what you wrote, and I do agree with you. My post count is so low, so it seems like I made this acct specifically for this contest, and nothing more. But in reality, it was a spark that necessitated that I join a forum that I've been reading and acquiring knowledge from since the beta started.

The system in general is cruel. We dedicated newcomers want to play and become better, but the likelihood of us obtaining a key to do so is so slim. As a result, we sit around, watch videos and battle reports of streams trying to gain more knowledge about the strats, and new techs being introduced, while others are playing and actually employing their knowledge. They become better at playing the game, while we remain stagnate until the final version of the game is released, when the competition is already so far ahead of us.


This has been a big concern for myself and others I know who want to be doing something for the scene as well. SC2 Beta is EXTREMELY successful in its current state, and although things aren't fine-tuned just yet, viable information is being distributed throughout the community based on the experiences of those who have had the opportunity to play. And all we really want is to be able to be helpful too.

It's mindblowing to believe that beta will leave so many in a disadvantaged position, having not had prior experience in the game. Then again, we will be among the thousands of others who did not get beta as well. So we'll have to do with what comes to the best of our abilities.
sYz-Adrenaline
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1850 Posts
April 17 2010 20:07 GMT
#670
Confirming still Opting in
Can you feel the rush?
DookieBall
Profile Joined April 2010
United States5 Posts
April 17 2010 20:11 GMT
#671
I would like to nominate myself. I am a friend of Submission who plays with team liquid and has a stream on there site. He is my roommate and I am getting sick of watching him and wanna play and catch up to him. So I nominate myself. Pleaseeee :p
Wedge
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
April 17 2010 20:12 GMT
#672
On April 18 2010 05:11 DookieBall wrote:
I would like to nominate myself. I am a friend of Submission who plays with team liquid and has a stream on there site. He is my roommate and I am getting sick of watching him and wanna play and catch up to him. So I nominate myself. Pleaseeee :p


It's like you didn't even read the thread at all, and just made a quick post that showed you had no clue whatsoever. Oh thats right, you did.
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
April 17 2010 20:14 GMT
#673
On April 18 2010 04:41 flamewheel91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 02:51 Aldehyde wrote:
On April 18 2010 02:19 jgju wrote:

On April 18 2010 02:05 Aldehyde wrote:
I'm sorry, but this time I'll have to be selfish. I wish to remain on the list.


Every single one of these guys has either 1 or 2 posts. What a fascinating social experiment this is turning into.

edit: I'm not trying to sound smug because I'm obviously a newbie poster too, it's just interesting how the longer people are on TL, the more likely they are to support the community by dropping out- goes to show how strong of a community TL really is.


Yes, I've only been a member for so long. No, I've not posted alot, nor have I contributed anything. I just wonder, how does one support this community anyhow? Do you have to have a high post count, is the post count what counts as contribution? Then let me go spam some threads for a while.

Is it that one must go create a new fancy build order, if so, how many of you supporters have done so? Is it, perhaps, that one must make friends on this website? Is it that one must watch the streams on the site (because this one I do, alot, and have done so for quite some time)?

What is a contributor on this site? Or is it just the friendly chaps that you have been getting to know that are deserving? It'd be nothing wrong with that, I'd totally understand it, but does being your friend mean that you are contributing to the community? Of course it does in some way but not in any way that we newcomers could possibly do, since we haven't had the time to get to know you.


Also, there are several of you guys who say that we on the list should start talking to each other? About what exactly? "Hey, randomdude1 please give up your seat so that I could have it instead.", "Why don't you do it, Aldehyde? You could just as well do it instead of me.", "Randomdude1, we both know I am more 'deserving' than you are".

That's silly.

Take a look at me. I have... um, nearly 3000 posts now. Granted, a decent percentage of them are one/two-liners (appreciation statements and konadora statements), but a high number of them are productive, in my opinion. "Spamming some threads" could mean you Live Report for a late night pro match since there are so few of us left to do so. Many of my posts come from those threads, off OPs that I've created and that I stay up till 4, 5 in the morning sometimes to attend to. As for major contributions to the site, well we can't all be Ver. I'm only D+ on ICCup, so you wouldn't see me attending to very specific needs in the strategy forum.

Making friends comes with time. I'm still not certain what constitutes making them, but you just get to know people as time goes along. I like my friends in the mafia section, and those that I LR with during the night.


So, for me to be a deserving person of a key I should follow your lead? And then maybe in a year I can get one of the keys.

I am really just trying to understand what makes me deserving, that was all I asked in the post that you quoted, yet you didn't answer a single thing. Am I to understand that I, as a newcomer and a SC newb (I don't even know what a 'Ver' is, do you mean Vet? Nor do I know what a Live Report is...) I am unable to be deserving of this key?

This would be totally okay, I'd get it. I just want to know.
IndecisivePenguin
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States771 Posts
April 17 2010 20:14 GMT
#674
On April 18 2010 05:11 DookieBall wrote:
I would like to nominate myself. I am a friend of Submission who plays with team liquid and has a stream on there site. He is my roommate and I am getting sick of watching him and wanna play and catch up to him. So I nominate myself. Pleaseeee :p


Nominations have been officially closed.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-17 20:18:33
April 17 2010 20:17 GMT
#675
On April 18 2010 00:53 enzym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 00:29 Cheerio wrote:
On April 17 2010 23:05 enzym wrote:
On April 17 2010 23:02 TheAntZ wrote:
On April 17 2010 22:51 Pholon wrote:
On April 17 2010 22:46 enzym wrote:
i dont think anyone of the people withdrawing their name does it out of selflessness. its got nothing to do with altruism.


Altruism or no, they're still giving up a chance to win a beta key - still counts for something.

They aren't, its fairly evident no one is getting a beta key, because obviously not enough people are going to cross their names off the list in time. or ever.

they are mostly doing it for two reasons

1) hope that reverse psychology will net them a key
2) save face

none of those reasons is altruistic, and then you can add AntZ's point.


Yes, and in general what's the point of saying "I'm sorry"? It would make you look weak and blablabla. You can instead pretend you were right (even when you know you were not) or just shut up and go away. Have balls people! Never appologise!

there is no right or wrong about those nominations other than the social stigma that the masses have created for those people.

And what is the right of possesion? A social stigma. Every single thing does not belong to anyone, in nature there is no possesion. So let's steal things! And if they call us robbers we can always pretend it is not our fault, it's the society with it's stigmas which is guilty. As much of a fan of freedom as I am there are limits to what you can do and what you can't despite if it is legal or not. Comunity desided that nominating oneself for doing nothing is wrong (when it was explicity asked to nominate if you felt you were deserving) and it's damn right
Gokain
Profile Joined April 2010
United States49 Posts
April 17 2010 20:31 GMT
#676
the contest was open to those who wanted to nominate others and to those who would nominate themselves if they thought they were deserving. No one is going to nominate a player like myself, who is a complete newcomer to the forums and had not made a significant impact on the community. And there are others in this boat as well, but we who are dedicated to becoming better are "deserving" of the opportunity to do so, i.e. obtaining a key to play the beta.

This was my original impression of the contest: to post a [self or otherwise-] nomination, stating why you should receive a key. Based on your reasons and impression you deliver to the community, you may or may not be selected to receive a key. This has turned instead into a opportunity to turn these self-nominators against each other, but the original purpose still remains. Those who truly believe that they worthy of a chance to dedicate themselves, newcomer or veteran, should not be chastised for keeping their name in this thread.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
April 17 2010 20:34 GMT
#677
On April 18 2010 05:31 Gokain wrote:
the contest was open to those who wanted to nominate others and to those who would nominate themselves if they thought they were deserving. No one is going to nominate a player like myself, who is a complete newcomer to the forums and had not made a significant impact on the community. And there are others in this boat as well, but we who are dedicated to becoming better are "deserving" of the opportunity to do so, i.e. obtaining a key to play the beta.

This was my original impression of the contest: to post a [self or otherwise-] nomination, stating why you should receive a key. Based on your reasons and impression you deliver to the community, you may or may not be selected to receive a key. This has turned instead into a opportunity to turn these self-nominators against each other, but the original purpose still remains. Those who truly believe that they worthy of a chance to dedicate themselves, newcomer or veteran, should not be chastised for keeping their name in this thread.


If you post like this in the other threads then I think you will have no trouble getting recognized and nominated for future things ^_^

I like newcomers like this. It's so fucking refreshing.
Chains none
phlamez
Profile Joined January 2008
United States96 Posts
April 17 2010 20:37 GMT
#678
If no one gets keys it'll honestly be embarrassing. This competition isn't "cruel" as people keep saying, it wasn't created to foster animosity or to prove a point about selfishness. TL is built around its community, from the people who stream or contribute in other ways, to the people who have been around forever with thousands of posts, to the people who lurk in every thread never feeling compelled to contribute their own opinion. While some of you might think that some of those above categories are more deserving of keys than the others, none of those groups are responsible for the keys that are being given out. The reason why TL has keys to give out in the first place is because it's a community site, and that community isn't simply a sum of the constituent parts. This wouldn't be a community if all we cared about were the people we knew personally, or the people who helped contribute the most. What makes it a community is our ability to empathize with other members we may not know very well based solely on their shared participation of TL.

Do everyone a favor and take yourself off the list, who cares if the keys go to people who have only posted a few times, be happy for your fellow TLer regardless of if its your best friend or someone you've never heard of. Today, let teamliquid be the only thing you share with the person you help, and let it be enough. I know a lot of you believe that you a very deserving because of your specific situation, and while I agree that you may be in a deserving situation, until you cross your name off you will never be a deserving person.
Zhou
Profile Joined February 2009
United States832 Posts
April 17 2010 20:41 GMT
#679
I'm curious to know what the numbers are now, and even more curious as to what will happen with those keys if this doesn't follow through. :x

tamago64
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2 Posts
April 17 2010 20:42 GMT
#680
I would like to stay nominatd
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