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foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-14 02:16:22
April 14 2010 01:09 GMT
#1
short and simple. this is probably the most annoying thing ever when you're trying to micro a unit then want to hotkey it so you can go multitask, only to see your unit turn around and suicide.

Poll: Should they remove control + click issuing an attack move?

YES (187)
 
76%

NO (59)
 
24%

246 total votes

Your vote: Should they remove control + click issuing an attack move?

(Vote): YES
(Vote): NO



Edit: oops, this shouldn't be in strategy, can a mod move this to the general sc2 forum please. thanks!
Deathfate
Profile Joined November 2008
Spain555 Posts
April 14 2010 01:11 GMT
#2
This is already in the official wishlist, you should have searched before posting, pretty sure this is going to get deleted.
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foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
April 14 2010 01:15 GMT
#3
oops, my bad. but I was kinda after a mass number of YES votes so to at least have some substantial backing that a good number of people want it changed. then I'll go complain to blizzard :D
Warnipple
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada57 Posts
April 14 2010 03:01 GMT
#4
Its getting ridiculously annoying right clicking my army to a specialist unit group :<
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genwar
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada537 Posts
April 14 2010 03:02 GMT
#5
Yes remove now.
Sprajt
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden24 Posts
April 14 2010 03:05 GMT
#6
Sure they can remove it since I don't even use that hotkey, ever... but to be quite honest I also don't find it annoying, get it in to your muscle memory to release ctrl right after you grouped a unit and you will not have it attack-moving anywhere.
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
April 14 2010 03:19 GMT
#7
Pretty sure this has lost people entire games. It is annoying.
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caution.slip
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States775 Posts
April 14 2010 03:27 GMT
#8
So when I micro I a-click to focus fire. I do this so if i misclick my target my units will still fire instead of moving towards the enemy and getting shot at

Unfortunately you can't hold the alt button down and attack move, it doesn't let you

you CAN however ctrl-click while holding the alt button. The unfortunate thing is when you ctrl click, even if you click a unit, it acts as though you attack moved the ground

Would be cool if the made it so it acts like a normal attack move command so I can hold alt to focus fire
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eXNewB
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada291 Posts
April 14 2010 03:46 GMT
#9
this must be an SC2 thing, I can't even think how this could be a problem in BW
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foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-14 03:57:36
April 14 2010 03:50 GMT
#10
On April 14 2010 12:27 caution.slip wrote:
So when I micro I a-click to focus fire. I do this so if i misclick my target my units will still fire instead of moving towards the enemy and getting shot at

Unfortunately you can't hold the alt button down and attack move, it doesn't let you

you CAN however ctrl-click while holding the alt button. The unfortunate thing is when you ctrl click, even if you click a unit, it acts as though you attack moved the ground

Would be cool if the made it so it acts like a normal attack move command so I can hold alt to focus fire


that's interesting. so there is a logical explanation for it then, it allows you to attack move (albeit a location only) while having health bars up.

although in your scenario it wouldn't help you either way, since your units would attack the same way regardless of if you had the health bars up or not since you can't click a unit. i don't run into this issue because i always have health bars up anyways, which is one way to totally avoid this problem. granted, it's an argument to say add in the ability to click a specific unit with control + click.

comparing that with the need to be able to hotkey a group while moving them, i still think the ability to set a group and move your units should take precedence, at high levels anyways. an example being i'm muta harassing, so obviously i'm non-stop right clicking. then my rallied mutas meet up with my existing control group, i need to add these mutas into the group (so i can go multitask and come back to ALL my mutas) while still microing my mutas to keep them alive, however this results in my mutas being issued an attack move command and turning around, even if ever so briefly, to be annihilated by whatever is chasing them down.

for me, at least, the cons outweigh the pros of having this UI mechanic.


caution.slip
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States775 Posts
April 14 2010 04:02 GMT
#11
On April 14 2010 12:50 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2010 12:27 caution.slip wrote:
So when I micro I a-click to focus fire. I do this so if i misclick my target my units will still fire instead of moving towards the enemy and getting shot at

Unfortunately you can't hold the alt button down and attack move, it doesn't let you

you CAN however ctrl-click while holding the alt button. The unfortunate thing is when you ctrl click, even if you click a unit, it acts as though you attack moved the ground

Would be cool if the made it so it acts like a normal attack move command so I can hold alt to focus fire


that's interesting. so there is a logical explanation for it then, it allows you to attack move (albeit a location only) while having health bars up.

although in your scenario it wouldn't help you either way, since your units would attack the same way regardless of if you had the health bars up or not since you can't click a unit. i don't run into this issue because i always have health bars up anyways, which is one way to totally avoid this problem. granted, it's an argument to say add in the ability to click a specific unit with control + click.

comparing that with the need to be able to hotkey a group while moving them, i still think the ability to set a group and move your units should take precedence, at high levels anyways. an example being i'm muta harassing, so obviously i'm non-stop right clicking. then my rallied mutas meet up with my existing control group, i need to add these mutas into the group (so i can go multitask and come back to ALL my mutas) while still microing my mutas to keep them alive, however this results in my mutas being issued an attack move command and turning around, even if ever so briefly, to be annihilated by whatever is chasing them down.

for me, at least, the cons outweigh the pros of having this UI mechanic.




You can use shift-# to hotkey units. Shift adds the units to your hotkey group. So if you have 5 mutas at the enemy base and then 3 pop out from your hatch you can box select the 3 units and then press shift-# and now that group will contain your original 5 mutas and the 3 more.

Though what most people do is shift box the new mutas and then control-#


Shift-# is pretty useful when hotkeying new production buildings though. Have Have 5 rax, you build a new one, select it and shift-#, This saves you from have to select the group, shift select the rax, and then control-# again. Saves like 1 keystroke
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milly9
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada325 Posts
April 14 2010 04:18 GMT
#12
It shouldn't be removed. I don't have any problem with it and I like it. It should just be an option, of course!
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dew
Profile Joined March 2010
United States59 Posts
April 14 2010 04:47 GMT
#13
Things like this really shouldn't be standard, but should be available. I was hoping that with Battle.net accounts being universal, they would allow people to keybind to their B.net accounts or something.

It's the kind of thing where you wonder, what are the advantages of the system Blizzard is using? Or is it all anti-piracy and DRM?
Dice.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States78 Posts
April 14 2010 05:00 GMT
#14
This is a silly thread. If you don't want your units to attack-move, then just right click without holding ctrl! It's a new game guys! You should be focusing on balance issues! If a plain right-click ever caused an attack-move command, then we would be having some serious problems...
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petzergling
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
538 Posts
April 14 2010 05:05 GMT
#15
ctrl is used for too many keyboard+keyboard commands that you need to be using the mouse for other things, having this as attack is too annoying

at the very least have it an option to be turned off
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Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-14 05:13:11
April 14 2010 05:12 GMT
#16
Voted no as I use it alot, even though I've been using a-move since 1998 it didn't really take very long to get used to this and it is way superior to a-moving.

Make it an option if people hate it so much, but don't completely remove it!
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foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
April 14 2010 05:24 GMT
#17
given the responses, i'll definitely put it forward to be optional.
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
April 14 2010 05:26 GMT
#18
tbh im surprised even 17% voted no... Who the hell needs 2 ways to do one thing which are both as quick as each other, and one causes very easy, game costing missclicks one in every five matches, :@
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nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
April 14 2010 05:51 GMT
#19
they shouldnt remove it but edit change it. Make it so that Mouseclick3 or some other nonused button(user able to set their own key) = attack go.
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CheAse
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada919 Posts
April 14 2010 05:55 GMT
#20
god its annoying having my vent key as ctrl, then watching my scouting scv decide to suicide into something
SCV good to go sir
rethos
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania103 Posts
April 14 2010 05:56 GMT
#21
The main problem I see with the ctrl+click is that you can not issue move orders while assigning hotkeys. Since the assigning is done with the keyboard and move is done with the mouse you could do them at the same time. But now you have to do them one after another... and that is annoying as heck.
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ComradeDover
Profile Joined November 2009
Bulgaria758 Posts
April 14 2010 06:05 GMT
#22
Don't press ctrl while right clicking. Don't blame the game for your sloppy control.
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JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
April 14 2010 06:19 GMT
#23
Make it an option or keep it
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duckhunt
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada311 Posts
April 14 2010 06:21 GMT
#24
it was annoying at first but once i learned what was causing the problem it was easy to stop pressing ctrl + right click , its just an old bw habit lol
violett
Profile Joined July 2007
Germany143 Posts
April 14 2010 06:32 GMT
#25
i was always wondering, why my units sometimes are going back to attack while i was 100% sure i gave them a move command.

they definitively should remove this.
apriores
Profile Joined March 2010
Romania41 Posts
April 23 2010 14:01 GMT
#26
I can't believe they remove it completely in patch 9... It was one of the best facilities for microing the game... On a 1024x768 (non-wide) resolution and in a battlefield with a dispersed army and with some thors in it, you don't have enough space to fast microing an attack-retreat with a ground A-move without risking to select your own units... and to see at the same time your opponent army. Just unbelievable change...
Garalor
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany136 Posts
April 23 2010 14:05 GMT
#27
On April 23 2010 23:01 apriores wrote:
I can't believe they remove it completely in patch 9... It was one of the best facilities for microing the game... On a 1024x768 (non-wide) resolution and in a battlefield with a dispersed army and with some thors in it, you don't have enough space to fast microing an attack-retreat with a ground A-move without risking to select your own units... and to see at the same time your opponent army. Just unbelievable change...


you can see the poll or?
most ppl dont want that.. so you are on a lonely position..
btw you can do the same with just hittang "a" and click
apriores
Profile Joined March 2010
Romania41 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-23 15:05:29
April 23 2010 14:43 GMT
#28
If the reason for that choice was to require higher skill than just Ctrl-click (when you microing attack-retreat) and not because you can't control your own fingers independently, I should not complain, but in this thread seems the majority voted Yes because it was an "issue", not because was "too easy to micro".
Therefore, Blizz should put an option for that!
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
August 02 2010 23:22 GMT
#29
Pardon me for bumping this thread but it seemed the most appropriate for my question.

Has the CTRL + Right Click = Attack Move command been removed from the game entirely?? I've read a lot of complaints about it in this thread as well as in another on TL about the same topic.

Personally I'd completely forgotten about this 'feature' until I saw this this YouTube guide about the Best Defence achievement. About 5 min 10 secs into the video he says something about moving out with Control Right Clicking to engage the enemy.

I can't seem to replicate it so maybe he just meant A-move.

Anyways it made me think that this would actually be extremely useful for me at least. After a lot of fiddling around with a good keyboard setup I've started playing with the (right-handed) Grid layout - even though I'm a left-handed player - and it feels very nice and comfortable.

Unfortunately A-move is on the T key and I find it a bit problematic for my pinky to hit it accurately and smoothly enough. But with my thumb on the CTRL key it'd be a perfect match if I could just hit it and then right-click for the equivelant of an A-move.

Is it gone now because of the vocal complaints about it and isn't there some kind of action I can do to help me with this issue?
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xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
August 03 2010 02:01 GMT
#30
+1. I loved ctrl+right click attack. At the moment I am also playing with grid and it seems that the finger I use the most is my pinkie, which is painful and not fast enough.
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