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lowlypawn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States241 Posts
April 06 2010 08:43 GMT
#1
I searched and didn't find any mention of this guy on TL. These video are pretty good.
A few examples
Smart Blinking

Sniper Shot

I think he is up to 10 videos. Not everything is going to be useful in a game but I'm impressed with what he has discovered in such a short time.
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
April 06 2010 08:48 GMT
#2
Damn... yeah thats really impressive and rather useful. No idea if its been posted before but I hadn't seen that. The sniper shot in the hands of a pro could indeed be deadly.
zealing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada806 Posts
April 06 2010 08:54 GMT
#3
lawl i just pictured the future of some some fpvod of a pro gamer just quing up like 50 shots in 2 seconds or some crazy stuff.

nice vods, at least people who say "micro is dead" can watch this and go /cry back to BW cause they can't handle SC2
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TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
April 06 2010 08:59 GMT
#4
He probably just read through the various tips & tricks threads here.
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
April 06 2010 09:12 GMT
#5
the sentry micro(clip on his youtube channel) is fing beast.
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ComradeDover
Profile Joined November 2009
Bulgaria758 Posts
April 06 2010 09:24 GMT
#6
This is actually pretty cool!
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Retsukage
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1002 Posts
April 06 2010 09:24 GMT
#7
pretty awesome I havnt seen that stalker trick before
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cerebralz
Profile Joined August 2009
United States443 Posts
April 06 2010 09:25 GMT
#8
Very nice, i wonder how the heck he figured that stuff out. The void ray thing is probably the biggest deal to me cause two well-micro'd void rays can quickly snipe a hatchery, CC, or Nexus.
I hope blizzard decides to leave at least some of these 'bugs' in the game, i think they require enough skill to use so that no low level noob will be sniping pro's with them.
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
April 06 2010 09:51 GMT
#9
Good stuff ^^
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Kantutan
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1319 Posts
April 06 2010 09:59 GMT
#10
The sniper shot has been common knowledge for quite a while now, but the sentry blink definitely caught my attention the first time I saw it. Hope he finds more good stuff
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
April 06 2010 10:41 GMT
#11
I dont think the sniper shot will ever be used, too impractical and only take out small armies while costing a small army themselves (in gas alone)
plus, from what i can tell, the ghosts were all full energy and i doubt anybody is going to burn their energy on sniper shot when they most likely got ghosts in the first place for EMP in mid-late game play
but i did find the stalker one very useful
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 06 2010 10:45 GMT
#12
On April 06 2010 17:59 TieN.nS) wrote:
He probably just read through the various tips & tricks threads here.

Looks like it heh. I knew all the tricks that he'd uploaded. Nevertheless, good stuff
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Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada424 Posts
April 06 2010 10:51 GMT
#13
On April 06 2010 17:54 zealing wrote:
lawl i just pictured the future of some some fpvod of a pro gamer just quing up like 50 shots in 2 seconds or some crazy stuff.


50 shots in 2 seconds means 25 clicks/sec...I have never been able to do more than 12 in a second (not an average, a peak), I doubt it's humanely possible to reach 20 and 15/sec over a few seconds would require a LOT of practice (and probably a major carpian tunnel problem)
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
April 06 2010 11:23 GMT
#14
wow that sentry micro was deadly O_O I hope that doesn't catch on. T_T
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Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
April 06 2010 11:26 GMT
#15
On April 06 2010 17:54 zealing wrote:
can watch this and go /cry back to BW cause they can't handle SC2


lawl
Adeeler
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom764 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-06 11:42:16
April 06 2010 11:41 GMT
#16
Good for new to rts players that didn't already expect/know all of these things already. Nothing new though for anyone thats been keeping an eye on beta or played any recent rts's though :/
Squallcloud
Profile Joined February 2008
France466 Posts
April 06 2010 12:37 GMT
#17
The sentry attack move micro looks pretty cool!! Hope it can be useful in games.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
April 06 2010 12:49 GMT
#18
Wow, I like this guy. The sentries (as people have already said) are even more badass now. I expect we'll be seeing some sentry rushing now...
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ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
April 06 2010 12:52 GMT
#19
On April 06 2010 21:49 flamewheel91 wrote:
Wow, I like this guy. The sentries (as people have already said) are even more badass now. I expect we'll be seeing some sentry rushing now...

Yeah and get shut down by marauders and speedlings (well not so much speedlings since there is forcefield)
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ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
April 06 2010 12:52 GMT
#20
this is great
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Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
April 06 2010 13:02 GMT
#21
LP crew, move out and bring him back to me, alive.
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Volshok
Profile Joined August 2008
United States349 Posts
April 06 2010 15:38 GMT
#22
On April 06 2010 22:02 Pholon wrote:
LP crew, move out and bring him back to me, alive.
gogogo.



I still have nightmares.

Good videos though, I sadly haven't used ghosts in anything other then TvP, I'll have to man up and try it.
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ExileStrife
Profile Joined February 2009
United States170 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-06 17:17:43
April 06 2010 17:12 GMT
#23
Very cool stuff, but the hunter seeker "flank" was pretty stupid and felt more like a "hey guys put a siege tank behind a bunker then you can defend forever!" strategy you'd see on a cereal box rather than a cool micro trick.

-- And to just reaffirm a point about some of them actually being cool, the xel'naga tower trick actually seems easy to pull off and would be quite useful.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 06 2010 17:27 GMT
#24
On April 06 2010 19:51 Tamerlane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 17:54 zealing wrote:
lawl i just pictured the future of some some fpvod of a pro gamer just quing up like 50 shots in 2 seconds or some crazy stuff.


50 shots in 2 seconds means 25 clicks/sec...I have never been able to do more than 12 in a second (not an average, a peak), I doubt it's humanely possible to reach 20 and 15/sec over a few seconds would require a LOT of practice (and probably a major carpian tunnel problem)

zealing's wording might be a bit ambiguous. In order to queue 50 shots going off within 2 seconds of each other, the 50 commands can be given to units that are out of range so that their travel time provides sufficient opportunity to give all 50 commands before any command is completed.
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Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
April 06 2010 17:32 GMT
#25
Know it all but really nice work there!
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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
April 06 2010 17:41 GMT
#26
On April 07 2010 02:12 ExileStrife wrote:
Very cool stuff, but the hunter seeker "flank" was pretty stupid and felt more like a "hey guys put a siege tank behind a bunker then you can defend forever!" strategy you'd see on a cereal box rather than a cool micro trick.

Well, it's obvious when you stop to think about it, but it's the sort of thing that might not occur to everyone in the first place.
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arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
April 06 2010 17:52 GMT
#27
Didnt know that you could keep xelnaga tower visability with a reaper on the cliff. actual usefull stuff there
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Toburk
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7 Posts
April 06 2010 19:24 GMT
#28
During the Nydus network video the AI ghost used snipe on the Nydus worm, does this work for all zerg buildings? If so would four ghosts just be able to snipe a hatchery down?
Lemure
Profile Joined March 2010
189 Posts
April 06 2010 22:50 GMT
#29
On April 07 2010 04:24 Toburk wrote:
During the Nydus network video the AI ghost used snipe on the Nydus worm, does this work for all zerg buildings? If so would four ghosts just be able to snipe a hatchery down?

Nope can't snipe buildings.
Windblade
Profile Joined July 2009
United States161 Posts
April 06 2010 23:14 GMT
#30
he never claimed that he's a imba cool dude for finding all this, he's making these vids for people who don't know this stuff or havent realized it.
TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
April 06 2010 23:44 GMT
#31
The ghost trick was the first thing I tried when I got the beta, and that sentry micro i've been using... However,That stalker blink trick is truly amazing! Totally going to start doing that
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Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
April 06 2010 23:56 GMT
#32
On April 07 2010 04:24 Toburk wrote:
During the Nydus network video the AI ghost used snipe on the Nydus worm, does this work for all zerg buildings? If so would four ghosts just be able to snipe a hatchery down?


Nydus worms are technically a unit the Nydus networks are the building it's confusing.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
April 07 2010 00:12 GMT
#33
Learned a lot, awesome.

Helions have the same properties as sentries btw.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 07 2010 00:29 GMT
#34
xel' naga trick is quite useful, good stuff
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
April 07 2010 00:48 GMT
#35
This guy is awesome (and for some reason I like his voice...)
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TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
April 07 2010 00:52 GMT
#36
Ok now that I've watched these videos they're pretty dumb. Maybe he can actually discover stuff for himself in the future though.
Mentat
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada74 Posts
April 07 2010 02:28 GMT
#37
wtb zerg tips & tricks

Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
April 07 2010 02:34 GMT
#38
Nice videos.
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
April 07 2010 04:01 GMT
#39
The sentry thing is interesting, I always assumed their damage behaved more like void rays. Most of the videos just seem to be him shift-queing things and doing stuff that seemed obvious though.
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
April 07 2010 04:28 GMT
#40
Some things in there I didn't know. He makes me imagine what I could do with ghosts with a little practice
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WaveMotion
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States147 Posts
April 07 2010 04:49 GMT
#41
starcraft 2 is going to be incredible 2 years down the line...
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DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
April 07 2010 04:54 GMT
#42
Can't wait for more videos!
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Ronald_McD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada807 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 05:05:01
April 07 2010 05:04 GMT
#43
The Void Ray micro is for the most part the only thing I find really impressive.
I can totally see pros using it if/when SC2 gets big.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
April 07 2010 05:14 GMT
#44
He's basically just making videos for the tips/tricks thread stuff. That's cool though. Also, the blink video you can blink across the gap to the island and to the enemy base in scrap station, he just didn't have vision there.
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lowlypawn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States241 Posts
April 19 2010 22:57 GMT
#45
Another bug I had not seen.

BladeRunner
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States407 Posts
April 19 2010 23:15 GMT
#46
I wonder if that's MULE's only or if it works with a crowd of scv's too? Seems pretty useful, have another medivac full of SCVs you can leave at a nearby safespot to remote rep your thor as it goes in and out
abrasion
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia722 Posts
April 20 2010 10:59 GMT
#47
So many comments on the offical beta forums and the net in general freak out over his use of command queuing which was in War 3, honestly - the amount of people who hate on the game yet never seem to know what it was capable of astounds me.

Command queueing <3
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lowlypawn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States241 Posts
May 05 2010 00:06 GMT
#48
haha
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
May 05 2010 00:09 GMT
#49
^ rofl that is awesome!
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 00:12:45
May 05 2010 00:12 GMT
#50
Wow, vortex and forcefield... that is perhaps the most instantaneous defeat I've ever seen. Amazing.
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da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
May 05 2010 00:25 GMT
#51
woah the vortex and forcefield combo was epic haha.
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Spell_Crafted
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States192 Posts
May 05 2010 00:33 GMT
#52
It's not all mind-blowing or anything, but there is some stuff that's at least interesting to watch. Plus the videos are only like a minute or two long, so it's not like I feel my time has been terribly wasted if something isn't very good. It was worth a subscription from me at the very least.
And yeah, the vortex forcefield thing is pretty sweet.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
May 05 2010 00:35 GMT
#53
On May 05 2010 09:06 lowlypawn wrote:
haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_rK5sCmR4

hahaha I've done so much shit with Force Fields and I'm surprised this hasn't occurred to me. Very nice man. Gotta go do this in a game ASAPLY
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Xinliben
Profile Joined May 2009
United States931 Posts
May 05 2010 00:39 GMT
#54
On May 05 2010 09:06 lowlypawn wrote:
haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_rK5sCmR4



Hahaha I loved the "wtf" from the terran player.
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Oracle
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada411 Posts
May 05 2010 00:40 GMT
#55
LOL his reaction was like: "wtf."

The guy was probably staring at his screen with an :O expression in disbelief.
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
May 05 2010 00:49 GMT
#56
this thing was pretty ridiculous too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8kDq6AgWgY&feature=channel
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Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 00:53:20
May 05 2010 00:52 GMT
#57
On April 06 2010 19:51 Tamerlane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 17:54 zealing wrote:
lawl i just pictured the future of some some fpvod of a pro gamer just quing up like 50 shots in 2 seconds or some crazy stuff.


50 shots in 2 seconds means 25 clicks/sec...I have never been able to do more than 12 in a second (not an average, a peak), I doubt it's humanely possible to reach 20 and 15/sec over a few seconds would require a LOT of practice (and probably a major carpian tunnel problem)



If you have vision of the bio army though, and then just first send the ghosts walking away for like 5-10 seconds, and then you just shift queue up enough snipes to kill the entire army, when the ghosts reach the army it should die pretty much instantly, no?
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
May 05 2010 00:55 GMT
#58
The stalker thing was pretty cool, I already knew about the sniper round thing though; doesn't seem as "revolutionary"
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See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
May 05 2010 00:58 GMT
#59
To any of the liquipedia guys, does the Thor repair bug noted above work with more than one scv/mule simultaniously? You could have a thor regen-ing healthy incredibly quickly. I love how fast neat micro tricks are already becoming apparent! Stoked for pro-gaming in SC2, its gonna be scary.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
May 05 2010 00:58 GMT
#60
Oh man first game I played was PvT on LT, perfect chance. I got maxed with Colossus/Sentry/Mothership but the positioning made it impossible cuz he had taken another main and was sitting on the high ground there. I should have just attacked his original base to try to draw him onto open ground, oh well haha gotta keep trying !! :D
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Kantuva
Profile Joined April 2010
Uruguay209 Posts
May 05 2010 01:00 GMT
#61
On May 05 2010 09:06 lowlypawn wrote:
haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_rK5sCmR4

i love the wtf XDDDDD

awesome combo :D
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NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
May 05 2010 01:11 GMT
#62
This is really interesting. I love how people are playing around with this game finding all these unique abilities.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 01:14:04
May 05 2010 01:13 GMT
#63
oh wow smart blinking is sexy

On May 05 2010 09:58 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Oh man first game I played was PvT on LT, perfect chance. I got maxed with Colossus/Sentry/Mothership but the positioning made it impossible cuz he had taken another main and was sitting on the high ground there. I should have just attacked his original base to try to draw him onto open ground, oh well haha gotta keep trying !! :D



haha
I hope I'll catch you doing this on your stream some time
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btlyger
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States470 Posts
May 05 2010 01:13 GMT
#64
On April 06 2010 21:37 Squallcloud wrote:
The sentry attack move micro looks pretty cool!! Hope it can be useful in games.


Yeah wow this looks awesome, the Vortex/Colossi thing was SICK as well.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
May 05 2010 01:16 GMT
#65
Couldn't the Void Ray micro be potentially overpowered? Many things can stop a 2 Void Ray rush, but that is just if you catch the Void Rays with low charge on their attack. If you execute the micro perfectly while flying to the base, wouldn't it be unstoppable? (unless a zerg would early tech to mass Hydra) The micro is difficult and it is nice to have some micro intensive strategies, but this could be game ending if you perfect the skill.
bakedace
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States672 Posts
May 05 2010 01:58 GMT
#66
On April 06 2010 19:45 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 17:59 TieN.nS) wrote:
He probably just read through the various tips & tricks threads here.

Looks like it heh. I knew all the tricks that he'd uploaded. Nevertheless, good stuff


I for one know that these videos are really old and I'm fairly sure he made these videos long before they showed up in here
Soulish
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1403 Posts
May 05 2010 02:09 GMT
#67
On April 06 2010 18:24 Retsukage wrote:
pretty awesome I havnt seen that stalker trick before

crota actually explained the trick wayyy before this guy
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