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Nevius
Profile Joined February 2010
Switzerland72 Posts
March 19 2010 19:41 GMT
#321
On March 20 2010 04:39 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2010 04:28 Perseverance wrote:
On March 20 2010 04:23 Crunchums wrote:
sit in base sit in base sit in base attack one player has superior army gg



lol this was not that case at all. The Zerg clearly had the counter to all those immortals/sentries.


HOWEVER, the Toss obviously used a bit of innovation in creating a 5 force field wall making all those speedlings useless while he destroyed the roaches.

It had nothing to do with him having a 'superior army'

It had everything to do with him having a superior strategy.

lol are you serious

is making a force field wall really some amazing strategy? the fuck else would you do with that much sentry energy. hence, his army composition won him it because force field walls are not at all innovative


Unit composition is part of the strategy.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
March 19 2010 19:41 GMT
#322
On March 20 2010 04:39 DrainX wrote:
Nazguls build in the second game was so smart <3


The total wall in at his nat's choke was so nice, first time I've seen that. It makes perfect sense. I think that should become standard play.
KTY
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany614 Posts
March 19 2010 19:41 GMT
#323
On March 20 2010 04:38 psyote wrote:
The games are ok, but is it just me or is sc1 like 10 times more epic.


Maybe because it's a beta
Postaldude
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden180 Posts
March 19 2010 19:42 GMT
#324
On March 20 2010 04:41 shin ken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2010 04:38 psyote wrote:
The games are ok, but is it just me or is sc1 like 10 times more epic.


Maybe because it's a beta


People tend to forget that quite often ^^
You must construct additional pylons
Obbalord
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany166 Posts
March 19 2010 19:46 GMT
#325
On March 20 2010 04:39 DrainX wrote:
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On March 20 2010 04:32 Obbalord wrote:
gogo nazgul! Lucifron and Nazgul are both nice gamers, looking forward watching the finals :>

They are both sympathic guys too, not like Morrow who is a 17 year old kid instantly whining in these forums after he drop out of a tourney and talking about "imbalances" because he lost with his 20 minutes turtle-until-200 trash style. Freaking Moron.


Clever first post.


Thank you! :-]


Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-19 19:48:25
March 19 2010 19:47 GMT
#326
Lot of talking goin on, something about SCV Rush? Don't think the games tarted, I dont know what the questions are for the beta key, but I see some 5000 something being said.. can anyone translate?

Who is maugrim btw? He played pretty well reaching semi finals after all for an unknown player.

And they mentioned TeamLiquid!!
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 19 2010 19:49 GMT
#327
On March 20 2010 04:47 Kage wrote:
Lot of talking goin on, something about SCV Rush? Don't think the games tarted, I dont know what the questions are for the beta key, but I see some 5000 something being said.. can anyone translate?

Who is maugrim btw? He played pretty well reaching semi finals after all for an unknown player.

And they mentioned TeamLiquid!!


LOL! ToT)Naugrim( one of the best Starcraft Broodwar Zerg players from Sweden T_T~~~
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
March 19 2010 19:49 GMT
#328
wow those hunter seeker missile do terrible terrible domage
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
March 19 2010 19:49 GMT
#329
On March 20 2010 04:49 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2010 04:47 Kage wrote:
Lot of talking goin on, something about SCV Rush? Don't think the games tarted, I dont know what the questions are for the beta key, but I see some 5000 something being said.. can anyone translate?

Who is maugrim btw? He played pretty well reaching semi finals after all for an unknown player.

And they mentioned TeamLiquid!!


LOL! ToT)Naugrim( one of the best Starcraft Broodwar Zerg players from Sweden T_T~~~


Ah my apologies, I didn't know that (now I feel stupid heh)
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
March 19 2010 19:52 GMT
#330
Not 3rd/4th place match before the Finals?
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
VoodooDog
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany47 Posts
March 19 2010 19:53 GMT
#331
On March 20 2010 04:38 psyote wrote:
The games are ok, but is it just me or is sc1 like 10 times more epic.


no, see the seekermissle video
Nevius
Profile Joined February 2010
Switzerland72 Posts
March 19 2010 19:53 GMT
#332
On March 20 2010 04:32 Obbalord wrote:
gogo nazgul! Lucifron and Nazgul are both nice gamers, looking forward watching the finals :>

They are both sympathic guys too, not like Morrow who is a 17 year old kid instantly whining in these forums after he drop out of a tourney and talking about "imbalances" because he lost with his 20 minutes turtle-until-200 trash style. Freaking Moron.



Yeah MorroW whining all the time. In Zotac cup he whined, here he whined and he flaked hello, goodbye tournament.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-19 19:56:01
March 19 2010 19:54 GMT
#333
On March 20 2010 04:23 MorroW wrote:
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On March 20 2010 04:17 LaLuSh wrote:
On March 20 2010 04:02 MorroW wrote:
On March 20 2010 04:00 cyclone25 wrote:
So how do you know the terran is going banshees, other than guessing? Scouting is hard, since the ramp is blocked, and ovies don't have any speed till lair. Going spore crawlers without scouting the banshees, is risky because he can marine/marauder push you -_-

he just need to get lair relatively fast, the distance will allow him to survive against any attack easily

he can just pool,hatch,queen,lair,baneling nest,hydra nest and he will survive against anything

obviously he should just do this tech tree if he scouts no expo from t with the lings

u can just peak into the terran base with the overlord if he wanted, 1 marine or something by then by the wallin, no chance to kill it before it gets out again


I don't think I have ever seen you do a hellion opening morrow (I'm sure you've tried it sometime, but not extensively). A zerg can't be too greedy teching or the hellions will do irreversible damage. It's a guessing game of sorts for the Z. That's why at first I had such trouble playing against you. My mind set was too defensive from playing blind against all these gay hellion variation builds without being able to scout shit. Nowadays when I'm not able to scout you I just guess you're FE:ing (and it usually turns out to be right).

On a related note, I don't think I have ever seen lucifron not do a hellion opening. So against him I guess he's gonna do hellion every game. The hard part is knowing whether he transitions into an expo, banshees, or keeps pumping hellions. You basically gotta guess. If you don't guess right you're either too far behind on economy, too far behind on tech, or you have too few units to be able to defend.

u just scout fast with drone
terran no gas =expo or mass rax
terran get gas = 1base

and from this intel u chose if u go evo chamber for +1armor(counter vs terran fe) and start massling baneling and if he 1base u get lair skip the evo chamber and get hydra den as soon as the lair is done

ur lings r outside him so ull know whenever he moves out

if he moves out with an army of MMM u can start massling baneling and if he move out with hellions u just keep making hydra roach

its ridiculously imbalanced and its harder for terran to scout compared to zerg in the midgame because of ur creep tumors changelings and overseers mapcontrol of xel naga towers
seriously lalush i get ur point, i didnt change up my play too much and i think u might be right here. but coming here and saying u have to play a guess game as a zerg well guess what - zerg beat all builds with same build cause they r imba


I'm saying you only see the matchup through the eyes of one build order: fast expanding.

You're not "qualified" enough to make claims about how easy it is for a zerg to block everything based on one "magical" build order.

On March 20 2010 04:02 MorroW wrote:
he can just pool,hatch,queen,lair,baneling nest,hydra nest and he will survive against anything


Good luck blocking a hellion rush by building every basic tech building available to the race. I'd like to see you try this from a zergs point of view and see how many units you have available to defend by the time the hellions arrive. There is no way you can expo and get hydras up in time to defend a hellion rush. You have to squeeze in speedlings or roaches somewhere in your "magical" build order before hydras.

Which order do you suggest we zerg players should build all these buildings in order to block everything? You just whined about dimaga not having his tech up in time despite succesfully blocking the hellions in most games. Where do you fit in powering drones in this "build order to rule them all"? Dimaga guessed there would be no more pressure in 2 games and powered drones and got punished for it when it turned out Lucifron went air. Are you calling dimaga incompetent for not using "the build order to rule them all"?

I don't even want to get in to the scenarios of what happens when you guess wrong and it turns out the opponent is doing an MM-build. Good luck 1 basing against that shit morrow. Looking forward to seeing a demonstration of this build order from you.
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
March 19 2010 19:54 GMT
#334
I selfishly attribute Nazguls success to my late night 3 am practice with him last night! ^^
GO NAZ!
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
kyym
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany13 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-19 19:57:50
March 19 2010 19:55 GMT
#335
On March 20 2010 04:47 Kage wrote:
Lot of talking goin on, something about SCV Rush? Don't think the games tarted, I dont know what the questions are for the beta key, but I see some 5000 something being said.. can anyone translate?

Who is maugrim btw? He played pretty well reaching semi finals after all for an unknown player.

And they mentioned TeamLiquid!!



question is: what's the name of the protoss homeplanet?

send to: gewinn@esl.eu

shouldn't be too hard


e// actually I don't know if u can get a key cuz ur not from europe... hmm I'd say just try :D
OMGIMBAROLFLOLX
JoSo
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden47 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-19 19:57:25
March 19 2010 19:57 GMT
#336
Hyped for the final! First euro toruney final with no Z in it?

Hoping for good games!
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
March 19 2010 20:00 GMT
#337
blistering sands game begins.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
March 19 2010 20:00 GMT
#338
GO NAZGUL!
ApolloSC2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United Kingdom804 Posts
March 19 2010 20:00 GMT
#339
too many obs in final, lucfi complained of lag, few of us left them with esl hosts in game, glgl
www.twitter.com/apollosc2
VabuDeltaKaiser
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany1107 Posts
March 19 2010 20:00 GMT
#340
NOOO, i missed this :/

at least i am in for the final, gogogo for good games
my smiley drinks green tea. works. just, the commercial investments are lower.
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