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micronesia
United States24805 Posts
On February 22 2010 13:08 ShaperofDreams wrote: Can someone make an OP or guide as to how exactly the ranking system works, and how you move up or down in ranks? I don't think this information is available yet... Blizzard would have to help us lol | ||
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tlwilim
Hong Kong24 Posts
On February 22 2010 10:21 DN2perfectionGM wrote: it seems that changing league should only take place after each season/ tournament finishes. Then the top x players from gold league can switch with bottom x players from platinum league, for example. so if for shit luck, one gets misplaced in copper league, then that person has chance to win copper, bronze, silver, and gold before he gets to platinum hm... the top 8 from each division will be go into the play-off season imo. and the one who is misplaced in copper can be promote to platinum directly if he is such good. | ||
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FaZ-
United States191 Posts
That seems the most logical, and assuming that they have short length seasons could actually be a way to noticeably improve over time while remaining competitive. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
On February 22 2010 12:15 G.s)NarutO wrote: I already replied when you asked earlier. All divisions are paralell, its not like division 1 is superior to division 2. Or what do you exactly want to know? The match making system searches for someone in your division and if there's no one of your division searching a game, it will expand the search to other divions / league levels. this is certainly not true On February 22 2010 18:15 CrownRoyal wrote: as far as everyone saying that all the divisions in platinum are equal, you are wrong. i have ~1400 elo plat div2 and played idra earlier who was ~1020 and in div4. The game was favored for him to win, i got 18 when i beat him too. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On February 22 2010 18:33 boesthius wrote: xeris how did you get into plat! i beat you and a bunch of other people who are now plat yet i'm still in the silver league =/. i'm #1 in my division too, i've been fluctuating between 1 and 5 because of not playing for a day but i'm still in silver. frustrating because i want to play higher ranked people and not destroy everyone i encounter  . maybe i should have actually tried stuff instead of fooling around with each race during the placement matches..no idea O_O! ... I'm 3rd in my division though. yeeea ! | ||
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
On February 22 2010 18:35 CrownRoyal wrote: this is certainly not true But that doesn't mean that the divisions aren't equal. It might just mean that the algorithm factors more variables in than just the ranking. For example the total number of games played, or maybe even matchup-individual stats. Assuming that the divisions are unequal raises a lot of difficult questions. Most importantly, what is their order? I've read reports of people jumping in both directions division-wise, with no clear system behind it and not even between consecutive numbers. Plus people were assigned to all divisions rather quickly. And it's hard to imagine that Blizz will assign people to not just 5 different leagues, but rather 40 different divisions just based on 10 games! Would you think it's reasonable to randomly assign people to 8 differently ranked divisions (remember the order! you'd have to go up 7 leagues to the top if you are unlucky). As for the 'expanding search' message: there are 3 possibilities: 1) It goes from your server to the other servers. I think we can rule that one out because I haven't heard of anyone playing someone from a different server. (Which is a shame btw) 2) It goes from your league to other leagues. This definitely happens a lot and makes the most sense to me. 3) It goes from your division to other divisions. This was my first idea, because I thought the divisions were there to group people together by certain criteria (of which I could only think of one). But according to some earlier interviews the divisions are mainly there to make people feel more involved and I guess they are assigned randomly, so option 3) doesn't make sense - it arbitrarily shrinks your pool of opponents. So 2) it probably is. | ||
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nc[retaliator]
Romania130 Posts
 btw plz more eu streamers besides shauni!! haypro would be nice to see ure zerg in sc2 man plz stream more or retje would make very high audience cos i see mainly us players streaming and would really enjoy some top eu players playing sc2! | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
As such a division with more players in it will have higher elo variations, while divisions with only a few handful players will have small elo variations until said division fills up with more players. This is the reason David Kim could go 96-5 and still have such a low elo. Having a small amount of players in your division makes you gain less and lose less points when you win/lose. Your elo is only absolute within your own division. If you play people of other divisions, relative elos apply (some fancy Blizzard algorithm). Now that this is settled, can everyone please shut the fuck up about which division is favored to which. | ||
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Tears.Of.The.Moon
Slovenia715 Posts
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Neak
United Kingdom124 Posts
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On February 22 2010 19:09 Asta wrote: But that doesn't mean that the divisions aren't equal. It might just mean that the algorithm factors more variables in than just the ranking. For example the total number of games played, or maybe even matchup-individual stats. I would say that it doesn't necissarily mean that they aren't equal either. If I recall correctly, at blizz con they said that divisions would be "100 people close to your skill level". From this, I personally would infer that not all divisions are equal, but take from it what you will. Assuming that the divisions are unequal raises a lot of difficult questions. Most importantly, what is their order? I've read reports of people jumping in both directions division-wise, with no clear system behind it and not even between consecutive numbers. From Blizzard's general stance on this, it seems like they for some reason don't want it to be clear what someone's overall ranking is. (Maybe they want you to realize this is not a ladder like ICC is? Just guessing though.) Either way, there is no reason that divisions have to be enumerated according to skill. Consider once the release version of the game comes out, they will likely need to add divisions mid-season, if the number of active players grow. It would be inconvenient to have to renumber several divisions to add one in the middle. Plus people were assigned to all divisions rather quickly. And it's hard to imagine that Blizz will assign people to not just 5 different leagues, but rather 40 different divisions just based on 10 games! Would you think it's reasonable to randomly assign people to 8 differently ranked divisions (remember the order! you'd have to go up 7 leagues to the top if you are unlucky). Ten games in an awful lot in terms of placement. I could see an argument for, you might get unlucky and get in the wrong division, but to say if you get unlucky you have to go up 7 leagues? + Show Spoiler + (Not to mention that, from my understanding, there are currently not practice or pro leagues, so that's a total of 5 leagues, making the maximum climb 4, no 7, but I digress.) On February 22 2010 23:40 PerfectTear wrote: Actualy there is a bug in the ranking system, if you have many wins and are at the top of your division it promotes you from the platinium league back to the platinium one, and takes away from you 200 points :p I've seen someone suggest this before, have we had conclusive evidence of it yet? I'd love to see the details of it, if you could link/point me in the right direction of your source. Thanks! EDIT: Minor grammatical corrections. | ||
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Ziph
Netherlands970 Posts
On February 22 2010 23:28 LaLuSh wrote: Elo ratings are RELATIVE to how many players there are in your division. As such a division with more players in it will have higher elo variations, while divisions with only a few handful players will have small elo variations until said division fills up with more players. This is the reason David Kim could go 96-5 and still have such a low elo. Having a small amount of players in your division makes you gain less and lose less points when you win/lose. Your elo is only absolute within your own division. If you play people of other divisions, relative elos apply (some fancy Blizzard algorithm). Now that this is settled, can everyone please shut the fuck up about which division is favored to which. QFT | ||
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
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ColorsOfRainbow
Germany354 Posts
iccup with all together was so far better so u can never play best usa players as euro etc thats just gay | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On February 23 2010 00:52 CrownRoyal wrote: okay so you guys are suggesting that me being ~1400 ELO with 93 people in my league vs idra with ~1020 ELO and 12 people in his league that his ELO is more impressive relative to the size of our leagues?? that's bs. Maybe the system takes into account the win/loss ratio or win streaks? | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
On February 23 2010 02:16 Jyvblamo wrote: Maybe the system takes into account the win/loss ratio or win streaks? my win % is higher than idra's. | ||
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On February 23 2010 00:52 CrownRoyal wrote: okay so you guys are suggesting that me being ~1400 ELO with 93 people in my league vs idra with ~1020 ELO and 12 people in his league that his ELO is more impressive relative to the size of our leagues?? that's bs. I think they are suggesting that your ELO is not exactly 380 pts higher than Idras. If you were both in the same division, you might have 1300 and he might have 1100. | ||
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
On February 23 2010 02:16 Jyvblamo wrote: Maybe the system takes into account the win/loss ratio or win streaks? im guessing the system recalibrates your skill level per a set a number of games, probably every 10 games or something. | ||
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