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teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
August 23 2010 23:27 GMT
#9261
I think a duo caster is better if one does analysis while the other does more play-by-play.

On August 24 2010 08:22 CruelZeratul wrote:
Is there a daily today?


I wonder too. The MLG will start in a few days. day9 hasn't posted on his Twitter for a few days, he's been busy.
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-23 23:41:10
August 23 2010 23:37 GMT
#9262
On August 24 2010 03:09 Redmark wrote:
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On August 24 2010 02:28 awesomoecalypse wrote:
See, this is what I don't get. On the one hand, people on this board are always talking about how they want to see e-sports take off. On the other, they tend to be really elitist about it, looking down their nose at anyone who doesn't take it super seriously, who just watches for mindless entertainment, etc.

Yeah, this really bothers me. When I watch soccer or baseball or hockey it's sure as hell not to become a pro at those sports, it's to have fun. It really seems like a lot of Starcraft players don't follow 'real' sports at all, which is a shame. The hardcore/casual distinction in general feels unique to gaming and is pretty harmful to all parties.

Yeah, but you never hear people excusing announcers' ignorance by saying they're trying to appeal to a broader audience. Sometimes that leads broadcasters to analyze their sports at a lower, more accessible level, but it's never an excuse for just not knowing what you're talking about (or, worse, getting things wrong).

Of course, sometimes broadcasters really don't know what they're talking about, but they get called out, too.

Edit: I understand that there's work to be done in building up the sc2 fanbase and community, and I understand that lots of bad commentators have historically done a lot of that work (Klazart...), which is great. I just don't think that the only options are high-level, obscure-to-beginners analysis and ignorant, mistake-filled, low-level analysis.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
August 24 2010 00:25 GMT
#9263
On August 24 2010 01:34 awesomoecalypse wrote:
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Husky seems to be a nice guy, but he has very low knowledge of the game. Hes a total noob.


There's more to casting than knowledge/analysis. Likability, humor, tone of voice, ability to keep up a rapport when there is a lull and to amp up the excitement when shit goes down...all are just as important, if not moreso, than the ability to analyze in an educational way.

Most pro sports commentators, for instance, are abysmal at providing interesting analysis or telling you things you don't already know. For example, John Madden, probably the most famous commentator in sports history (apologies to Marv Albert), was basically really, really good at stating shit that was completely obvious (e.g. "Now, when making a pass, its very important that the quarterback be able to see, because if you can't see, then you don't know what you're looking at.") There are a couple who actually do provide good insight (e.g. Jeff Van Gundy, the coach turned basketball commentator), but by and large that isn't what people are primarily looking for in a sports commentator.

Husky is like a geeked out John Madden. Everything he says is obvious stuff you already know, but he's good at saying it in an engaging, funny, and likable way--and when something awesome happens, he brings the enthusiam like no one else.

Day9 can be good at that as well, but really only when he's casting a live stream. When he's doing the dailies he gets too bogged down in analysis. I mean, its great for learning about the game, and I think people who really spend a ton of time thinking about starcraft get a lot out of it. But if I'm just looking to shut my brain off, watch a fun match and be entertained, the Day9 daily format is IMO inferior to the "Just have fun and crack jokes" approach of Husky.

I'm not a big fan of HD though--he reminds me of Husky, only not as funny and with less enthusiasm.

This is pretty much my thought on the subject.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
Keldrath
Profile Joined July 2010
United States449 Posts
August 24 2010 00:35 GMT
#9264
On August 24 2010 01:34 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
Husky seems to be a nice guy, but he has very low knowledge of the game. Hes a total noob.


There's more to casting than knowledge/analysis. Likability, humor, tone of voice, ability to keep up a rapport when there is a lull and to amp up the excitement when shit goes down...all are just as important, if not moreso, than the ability to analyze in an educational way.

Most pro sports commentators, for instance, are abysmal at providing interesting analysis or telling you things you don't already know. For example, John Madden, probably the most famous commentator in sports history (apologies to Marv Albert), was basically really, really good at stating shit that was completely obvious (e.g. "Now, when making a pass, its very important that the quarterback be able to see, because if you can't see, then you don't know what you're looking at.") There are a couple who actually do provide good insight (e.g. Jeff Van Gundy, the coach turned basketball commentator), but by and large that isn't what people are primarily looking for in a sports commentator.

Husky is like a geeked out John Madden. Everything he says is obvious stuff you already know, but he's good at saying it in an engaging, funny, and likable way--and when something awesome happens, he brings the enthusiam like no one else.

Day9 can be good at that as well, but really only when he's casting a live stream. When he's doing the dailies he gets too bogged down in analysis. I mean, its great for learning about the game, and I think people who really spend a ton of time thinking about starcraft get a lot out of it. But if I'm just looking to shut my brain off, watch a fun match and be entertained, the Day9 daily format is IMO inferior to the "Just have fun and crack jokes" approach of Husky.

I'm not a big fan of HD though--he reminds me of Husky, only not as funny and with less enthusiasm.


yeah but that is the place for husky and hd and the like. the purpose of day[9]'s dailies is for learning, its not just a replay showmatch series. and he does a spectacular job at what he does. this particular series isnt about entertainment. its about analysis.
If you want peace... prepare for war.
crw
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada70 Posts
August 24 2010 01:35 GMT
#9265
day[9] is awesome.

newbie over here :>
Zerg need heavy buffs from Tier 1 to tier 3, against Terran and Protoss. blizzard needs to get on the ball or lose SC2 as an eSports venue.
galaxybird
Profile Joined August 2010
United States12 Posts
August 24 2010 02:26 GMT
#9266
Hey there! Just started watching, great stuff! I found that I could subscribe to the show on iTunes but that not all of the dailys were accessible. Am I mistaken or are only dailys 121, 123, 124, 163 available?
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Popetastic
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2 Posts
August 24 2010 04:42 GMT
#9267
Day9, I literally made an account just now to give you my sincere gratitude. I made platinum today with a ~100-75 win-loss. That accomplishment was absolutely 100% thanks to you. I started in the bottom of my bronze division after losing 4 of my placement matches as zerg. I was like, fuck this, I'm just gonna play single player. Then I happened to discover the Day9 daily Plugging Leaks in Silver Level Play. I switched my race to protoss and practiced some of your tips against the computer, and started focusing on making probes constantly and making my 4 gate push as fast as possible.

I started winning games. I watched more dailies, learned new strategies and ways of thinking, and learned to appreciate smoothness. I won more and more. I was winning more than I lost, and moved to silver. Watched more dailies from the other races POVs and got some insight into their thinking. I moved up to gold on 8/16. Then today I CRUSHED a (terrible) diamond level player and got bumped up to #6 platinum.

Thank you Day9. Thank you so much. I'd also really appreciate some practice with some of you guys, I'm Popetastic and my code is 309. I'm kind of scared that I'm not good enough to be in platinum and I'm going to get absolutely crushed and could use some 1v1ing and then watching the replay together.

Again, thanks, you're the fucking best!

ps I watched your standup and wish you'd do more. It was so much funnier than I expected a Starcraft 2 shout caster to be.
he's getting 12 gateways, which is a standard transition after the 2 observatory opening
aurum510
Profile Joined July 2010
United States229 Posts
August 24 2010 06:41 GMT
#9268
On August 24 2010 13:42 Popetastic wrote:
Day9, I literally made an account just now to give you my sincere gratitude. I made platinum today with a ~100-75 win-loss. That accomplishment was absolutely 100% thanks to you. I started in the bottom of my bronze division after losing 4 of my placement matches as zerg. I was like, fuck this, I'm just gonna play single player. Then I happened to discover the Day9 daily Plugging Leaks in Silver Level Play. I switched my race to protoss and practiced some of your tips against the computer, and started focusing on making probes constantly and making my 4 gate push as fast as possible.

I started winning games. I watched more dailies, learned new strategies and ways of thinking, and learned to appreciate smoothness. I won more and more. I was winning more than I lost, and moved to silver. Watched more dailies from the other races POVs and got some insight into their thinking. I moved up to gold on 8/16. Then today I CRUSHED a (terrible) diamond level player and got bumped up to #6 platinum.

Thank you Day9. Thank you so much. I'd also really appreciate some practice with some of you guys, I'm Popetastic and my code is 309. I'm kind of scared that I'm not good enough to be in platinum and I'm going to get absolutely crushed and could use some 1v1ing and then watching the replay together.

Again, thanks, you're the fucking best!

ps I watched your standup and wish you'd do more. It was so much funnier than I expected a Starcraft 2 shout caster to be.


The swarm will get you back... One way or another...
Popetastic
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2 Posts
August 24 2010 06:50 GMT
#9269
It'll probably be the other, I'm terrible vs a good zerg. I always go 3 gate robo into colossus and after he gets corrupters and then brood lords I'm done if he has even a bit of micro.
he's getting 12 gateways, which is a standard transition after the 2 observatory opening
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
August 24 2010 06:57 GMT
#9270
On August 24 2010 15:50 Popetastic wrote:
It'll probably be the other, I'm terrible vs a good zerg. I always go 3 gate robo into colossus and after he gets corrupters and then brood lords I'm done if he has even a bit of micro.

You should get storm. I find it extremely hard (as zerg) to play against a protoss who goes 3gate robo and makes me make corruptors and then transitions during the push into High Temps.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 12:21:03
August 24 2010 12:20 GMT
#9271
On August 24 2010 08:25 Luga wrote:
Only thing I didnt like about Apollo is that he kept interrupting Day9 while he was commentating. Everyfight, even if Day9 was talking, he's jump in.

Didnt like that much


Proper commentary teams have years of practice toger to avoid this kind of thing.

Apollo and Day9 had none, that is why you get this kind of clash.

Apollo will be co-casting with me on Friday and potentially, for the rest of the i40 event. We're using Friday to practice and will see if we actually mesh or not.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
SuperGnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden240 Posts
August 24 2010 12:40 GMT
#9272
Yea, husky is funny but he misses SOOOO much by not looking at the minimapto see what is going on, HD is not on my list of funny ppl, but he does a bit more "knowledge" casting even if he gets confused by normal builds sometimes :p
What is really turning me away from those two now is that they hardly cast any matches on their youtube channels and when they finaly do it is 1 game spread out over several days of upploads... that is pissing me off. Then they do like 5 uploads at once with commercials about their new site...

Day[9] is my top commentator for stuff thats there for helping you out, like his dailies, those are great, to bad he seems to have stoped with them on blip.tv or something.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42400 Posts
August 24 2010 12:44 GMT
#9273
On August 24 2010 21:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2010 08:25 Luga wrote:
Only thing I didnt like about Apollo is that he kept interrupting Day9 while he was commentating. Everyfight, even if Day9 was talking, he's jump in.

Didnt like that much


Proper commentary teams have years of practice toger to avoid this kind of thing.

Apollo and Day9 had none, that is why you get this kind of clash.

Apollo will be co-casting with me on Friday and potentially, for the rest of the i40 event. We're using Friday to practice and will see if we actually mesh or not.


Offtopic, are you casting only SC2 event or something else? like Tf2/css tms?
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
August 24 2010 12:51 GMT
#9274
I just watched #75 and it's so cool, the top SC:BW matches are so enjoyable to watch, it's the best sport ever. I hope Jaedong, Flash, Stork & co will switch over to SC2 at some point

Also funny to see how exhausting this game is for Jaedong, at the end he is like dripping, he looks like he ran 10 miles. I hope there will be some time for another SC1 daily (maybe about MSL Grand Final?) or even some BGH fun That would be the coolest thing ever.
Jenslyn87
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark527 Posts
August 24 2010 13:00 GMT
#9275
It's cool to have Day9 commentate tourneys, but I must say I still prefer him doing his Dailies... they're so entertaining and it's awesome if you can pick up some good tips from them too
Hmmm, I wonder what terran is doiAAAAARGH BANSHEEEEES
pAzand
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden539 Posts
August 24 2010 13:01 GMT
#9276
I got interrested in SC2 thanks to HD & Husky but it was you that really showed me the way to play and thanks to that I'm a 400 Diamond level Protoss in under 100 games without former SC experience. Frankly I owe it all to you.

Great job in Germany, keep it up, the community needs people like you!
If you can chill.. Chill!
RushGG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom212 Posts
August 24 2010 13:03 GMT
#9277
On August 24 2010 21:40 SuperGnu wrote:

Day[9] is my top commentator for stuff thats there for helping you out, like his dailies, those are great, to bad he seems to have stoped with them on blip.tv or something.



Ever stop to think that his dailies were postponed whilst being in Cologne for IEM? As you can see on the TL Calendar ----------------Over HERE---------------->
there is a new daily planned for tomorrow..

Also agree on D9 being my fav. commentator, call me a fanboy or w/e but he just seems to be the full package - informative and exciting!
~ 안녕, 저는 현재 한국어를 배우는 중이에요 :D ~ Follow me on Twitter @RushGeeGee
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
August 24 2010 13:35 GMT
#9278
On August 24 2010 21:44 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2010 21:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 24 2010 08:25 Luga wrote:
Only thing I didnt like about Apollo is that he kept interrupting Day9 while he was commentating. Everyfight, even if Day9 was talking, he's jump in.

Didnt like that much


Proper commentary teams have years of practice toger to avoid this kind of thing.

Apollo and Day9 had none, that is why you get this kind of clash.

Apollo will be co-casting with me on Friday and potentially, for the rest of the i40 event. We're using Friday to practice and will see if we actually mesh or not.


Offtopic, are you casting only SC2 event or something else? like Tf2/css tms?


PMed you on the matter, I don't want to derail Day9's thread. The SHOUTcraft thread is the appropriate place for those questions
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
August 24 2010 14:45 GMT
#9279
On August 24 2010 01:15 reapsen wrote:
Hey,

what was that inappropriate piece of commentary during the Day9 Countdown Party that is often referred to? I can't find it on Day9s blip account, but i am mucho curious what it was.

thx in advance.


no one?!
Ddraig
Profile Joined June 2010
United States16 Posts
August 24 2010 14:57 GMT
#9280
On August 24 2010 23:45 reapsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2010 01:15 reapsen wrote:
Hey,

what was that inappropriate piece of commentary during the Day9 Countdown Party that is often referred to? I can't find it on Day9s blip account, but i am mucho curious what it was.

thx in advance.


no one?!

This. I asked this pages back but no one answered, sounds like a sore-spot or something. Somewhere through watching the replays of the countdown party I noticed that a bit of content seemed to be missing because he kept referencing a piece of content that I never saw. I assume they're one and the same and I'd love to see it.
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