Sorry I had to make an account because this post confused me. What is your average APM? Mine rarely goes above 50, and I'm currently 16-3 in Platinum and hoping they will bump me up to diamond in the next few games. APM is definitely nice to have, but I would try and concentrate more on your builds. Do you use the same build every game? You shouldn't. Try and respond to what your opponent is doing. I love Day9's philosophy of what is your opponent currently capable of. Hang in there, keep watching Day9, and practice practice practice. I have no doubt you can reach Diamond when the game is released.
His problem isn't really APM. It's that default Starcraft 2 is just fast-paced in general. He doesn't like the fact that battles are over in only a few seconds, and he wants to take lots of time to build up strategies without being attacked. He doesn't like having to make tons of split-second decisions; in fact, he doesn't even think that qualifies as strategy. As a result, he's going to be frustrated with Starcraft 2, and none of this forum's gameplay advice is going to help. He wants a slow-play-only league, and without it, he's always going to be frustrated with the game.
He's the same guy who wants to play on 8 feet basketball goals with a woman's sized basketball. He is THAT guy.
lol, i have to agree with this.. hes just being lazy/ has wrong impressions on what kind of game this is... maybe he should play a turn based strategy game like Civ? I feel like he would have more fun and success there also, why is this in day9's thread? D:
On June 04 2010 12:17 Orange Goblin wrote: Oh, and EE HAAAN TIMINNNG!! Classic!
Best part of D9D #130 for me, Day9's korean commentator voice imitation is awesome
for reference :
More Korean please!! I fell out of my chair laughing
I almost pissed myself LOL
I literally don't get it...any of it.. I get that "EE HAAAN TIMINNNNG!!" is supposed to be hilarious, but I don't know why lol. Someone explain pleasuuuuuu
More Korean please!! I fell out of my chair laughing
I almost pissed myself LOL
I literally don't get it...any of it.. I get that "EE HAAAN TIMINNNNG!!" is supposed to be hilarious, but I don't know why lol. Someone explain pleasuuuuuu
I think it was the little jab on the Korean dialect (Korean impersonation).
Sorry I had to make an account because this post confused me. What is your average APM? Mine rarely goes above 50, and I'm currently 16-3 in Platinum and hoping they will bump me up to diamond in the next few games. APM is definitely nice to have, but I would try and concentrate more on your builds. Do you use the same build every game? You shouldn't. Try and respond to what your opponent is doing. I love Day9's philosophy of what is your opponent currently capable of. Hang in there, keep watching Day9, and practice practice practice. I have no doubt you can reach Diamond when the game is released.
His problem isn't really APM. It's that default Starcraft 2 is just fast-paced in general. He doesn't like the fact that battles are over in only a few seconds, and he wants to take lots of time to build up strategies without being attacked. He doesn't like having to make tons of split-second decisions; in fact, he doesn't even think that qualifies as strategy. As a result, he's going to be frustrated with Starcraft 2, and none of this forum's gameplay advice is going to help. He wants a slow-play-only league, and without it, he's always going to be frustrated with the game.
Yeah, that seems to sum it up quite nicely.
bb82, I think you're looking for another game entirely. This game isn't as bad for newbs as you make it out to be. I had never really played a strategy game online before Starcraft 2 yet I don't really have a problem keeping up with what's what. Sure, I dabbled in Company of Heroes last summer for a few weeks but that is another game entirely. In fact, I think THAT is the game you are looking for.
Its battles are slower, less economy managing, you have a lot of time watching your strategy unfold as you have to watch the battles play out in a different way that Starcraft. It's just glorious setting up traps for your enemy to run into, them running into well places mines, their tanks rolling in to victory but AHA you have 3 AT guns taking them out in a jiffy
Sure, I might have misunderstood you completely, but it seems, to me, that you are trying to force this game into something it's not.
More Korean please!! I fell out of my chair laughing
I almost pissed myself LOL
I literally don't get it...any of it.. I get that "EE HAAAN TIMINNNNG!!" is supposed to be hilarious, but I don't know why lol. Someone explain pleasuuuuuu
I think it was the little jab on the Korean dialect (Korean impersonation).
Also it was pretty loud. I remember I had the stream kind of in the background cos it runs at 4am my time, and then I heard that EHAAN TIMIIING and I was like:
When I re-watched it when the On Demand was uploaded tho it was hilarious.
Day 9 should do a cast for us noobs or like the few noobs on teamliquid. But, yeah its hard when you have never played BW and most games you have played are FPS. Its not even the APM thats the problems. Its like PvT if the T gets cloaked banshees I'm like what the hell do I do to counter it.
Yeah, like the QXC build order episode. That was probably the most insightful cast he did. If he does a few more like that, it would be good.
On June 08 2010 05:41 simples wrote: Day 9 should do a cast for us noobs or like the few noobs on teamliquid. But, yeah its hard when you have never played BW and most games you have played are FPS. Its not even the APM thats the problems. Its like PvT if the T gets cloaked banshees I'm like what the hell do I do to counter it.
Yeah, like the QXC build order episode. That was probably the most insightful cast he did. If he does a few more like that, it would be good.
First, you get an Observer and put it in your control group w/ your army to take out cloaked anything.
Second, Day9 has gotten more noob friendly as he's transitioned to SC2. I started watching him when he was just doing BW casts (I was new to SC at the time) and was totally confused about everything he said. Since then he's had a lot of good casts for lower level players.
If you have trouble understanding them, keep watching, it slowly sets in over time. Also, look at not just what he's saying but also what's going on in game. I've gotten lots of ideas for things like building placement, where to move units, how to push and when, just by watching the casts and hearing how Day reacts to them.
On June 08 2010 05:41 simples wrote: Day 9 should do a cast for us noobs or like the few noobs on teamliquid. But, yeah its hard when you have never played BW and most games you have played are FPS. Its not even the APM thats the problems. Its like PvT if the T gets cloaked banshees I'm like what the hell do I do to counter it.
Yeah, like the QXC build order episode. That was probably the most insightful cast he did. If he does a few more like that, it would be good.
I haven't played BW for years and wasn't really very good at it when I left, but I was able to make it pretty easily to the lower-platinum level in SC2 (back when platinum was highest) before the ladder resets. Of course, I think lots of DotA and WC3 custom games have tremendously helped my mechanics in the intervening time, but just remember what Day9 says, it's YOUR fault if you lose, not your lack of BW experience. Figure out what you did wrong that will prevent you from losing to x in the future.
I've been thinking a lot about APM recently, and mine is only about 40 on average, but does spike very high when it needs to; what I've been wondering is this - really honestly, how important is it to have 150 APM during non-important parts of the game when you only achieve that high number by spam-clicking everywhere on everything? Trying to move a zealot from point A to point B? good, click once or twice, not 20 times! (probe-slides/scoot excluded) I always see people spam clicks everywhere for everything, clicking on buildings a million times and moving things around here and there for (95% of the time) no reason.
Isn't it possible to have a lower APM and be better than your high-APM opponent if you simply click exactly when and what's needed?
I know everyone spam-clicks at the beginning with their scv's (control groups 1-5 of single scv's) and highlight/boxing them just to "warm up their fingers", but if I don't need to do that to have nimble fingers, then I have a lower APM - does that mean I'm bad because my APM is lower?
On June 08 2010 07:53 PcChip wrote: Trying to move a zealot from point A to point B? good, click once or twice, not 20 times! (probe-slides/scoot excluded) I always see people spam clicks everywhere for everything, clicking on buildings a million times and moving things around here and there for (95% of the time) no reason.
This due to the fact than in BW your units were dumb as fuck and you had to babysit them.
On June 08 2010 01:15 bb82 wrote: This gamer kind of proves my point about this being an elitist community, with a 1v1 ladder that will turn away a huge pool of players. I talk about an APM casual/noob's perspective and he counters with "see how the pros do it".
I will never be a pro, nor would I want to be. But I'm also a person that knows I could find much enjoyment out of this game if there was competitive ladder with a much slower speed.
-bb82
bb82, All you´ve really done is complain..people have given you solid advice on how to improve and you still come back to this "Starcraft 2 is too hard". Maybe you´re just not cut out to play RTS games, can I possibly suggest Farmville? Might be suited more to your style of slow paced games.
On June 08 2010 00:07 bb82 wrote: Any other advice, other than "l2p, bronze league, single player, custom games"?
What do you want people to say?
I don't know, I'm mainly just frustrated. I'm a huge fan of the potential of this game and I have some fond early memories of SC. But for the same reason I decided not to stay with SC, I will probably be forced to leave SC2. I just don't want to waste all my free time, solely to increase my APM constructively enough to "compete" in a non-arcadey fashion.
Your advice about just spamming APM might not be that bad of an idea, but I'm kind of doing that already in the multi-tasker map.
I just find it such a waste. There is a reason the SC ladders eventually died out (no new blood) and why custom maps and zero-clutter where such big hits. Many want to play in a 1v1 atmosphere, but not at the default speed where strategy is minimized and high-APM is a requirement.
-bb82
Civilization 5 is coming out soon. Check it out.
(No, not being a dick, I am more of a civ person too...You seem like you just enjoy a different genre, a more "Strat" oriented and less "decision" management game.)
On June 08 2010 07:53 PcChip wrote: regarding all the APM talk:
I've been thinking a lot about APM recently, and mine is only about 40 on average, but does spike very high when it needs to; what I've been wondering is this - really honestly, how important is it to have 150 APM during non-important parts of the game when you only achieve that high number by spam-clicking everywhere on everything? Trying to move a zealot from point A to point B? good, click once or twice, not 20 times! (probe-slides/scoot excluded) I always see people spam clicks everywhere for everything, clicking on buildings a million times and moving things around here and there for (95% of the time) no reason.
Isn't it possible to have a lower APM and be better than your high-APM opponent if you simply click exactly when and what's needed?
I know everyone spam-clicks at the beginning with their scv's (control groups 1-5 of single scv's) and highlight/boxing them just to "warm up their fingers", but if I don't need to do that to have nimble fingers, then I have a lower APM - does that mean I'm bad because my APM is lower?
(if it matters, top platinum protoss player)
I think the main reason people tend to spam click outside of battles or other APM intensive moments is to keep your hands warmed up and accurate on the keyboard and mouse. I'm not sure how much this actually helps, but the pros do it, so maybe it actually does improve your play.
EPT
also, why is this in day9's thread? D:![[image loading]](http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/51/ehaantimiiing.jpg)
