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jaminz
United States208 Posts
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WhistlingMtn
United States190 Posts
On June 08 2010 12:05 Two_DoWn wrote: Considering the fact that the majority of dailies do, in fact, consist of broodwar games, I would think that he would switch back until beta comes up again. I believe he's already said he's scheduled out his SC2 dailies for the downtime, unless I misunderstood. | ||
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URfavHO
United States514 Posts
That music at the end of today's daily was sick. What was it? | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
 Also Day[9] with your comments on having to get up a 6 in the morning ... at the time of your cast it was 5 in the morning for TLO  | ||
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PcChip
United States50 Posts
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TheMute
United States458 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On June 08 2010 12:46 TheMute wrote: Excellent cast as usual, but I feel like that didn't really show a solid ZvT strategy against a mech. TLO said he sends in ultras first to absorb tank shots, but in the replay, when he engaged the tanks, he usually sent the lings first... I didn't really see ultras as the big main determining factor of why he was victorious. It seemed like TLO won because he just outmacro'd Jinro and just had waaaay more stuff, constantly streaming in or dropping lings/ultras into Jinro's army/base. Simply having more stuff and units doesn't really show a certain strategy (ultra/ling) is good/decent against another strategy (mech). Or I should say, that replay didn't really show why ultras are good (or even viable) against mech. So according to you he could've won with ling/ infester only? Without the Ultra's soaking up tank damage and destroying buildings quickly? Also, lings obviously outrun the Ultra's, explaining why they sometimes lead the charge. At the least this build is more viable versus Mech than whining for nerfs. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On June 08 2010 13:03 Saechiis wrote: So according to you he could've won with ling/ infester only? Without the Ultra's soaking up tank damage and destroying buildings quickly? Also, lings obviously outrun the Ultra's, explaining why they sometimes lead the charge. At the least this build is more viable versus Mech than whining for nerfs. no, but it shows that he would've still lost if jinro played as good as him. tlo could've gone mass mutas or something like that, with his advantage it would still ahve worked. | ||
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shimpoe
88 Posts
On June 08 2010 12:46 TheMute wrote: Excellent cast as usual, but I feel like that didn't really show a solid ZvT strategy against a mech. TLO said he sends in ultras first to absorb tank shots, but in the replay, when he engaged the tanks, he usually sent the lings first... I didn't really see ultras as the big main determining factor of why he was victorious. It seemed like TLO won because he just outmacro'd Jinro and just had waaaay more stuff, constantly streaming in or dropping lings/ultras into Jinro's army/base. Simply having more stuff and units doesn't really show a certain strategy (ultra/ling) is good/decent against another strategy (mech). Or I should say, that replay didn't really show why ultras are good (or even viable) against mech. So what you're saying is TLO didn't play with ultras correctly and he still won? and yet it's not a viable strategy? Okay, well now that you've cleared that up... I think it's hilarious that a group of people think that in order to beat build X you need a build Y that is a super hard counter to it. Why can't build Y just be a strong, solid strategy for fighting against build X, where the determining factors are less about countering and more about just outplaying your opponent? | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On June 08 2010 13:12 heishe wrote: no, but it shows that he would've still lost if jinro played as good as him. tlo could've gone mass mutas or something like that, with his advantage it would still ahve worked. no he could not go mass mutas. jinros thors would have destroyed them. especialy with 1 turret per base. TLO stated this in the discussion with day9 TLO was not ahead until he constantly droped ultras everywhere on the map. he showed the real strength of the ultras: cracking up buildings and small forces. all this was before the tank nerf. | ||
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
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TheMute
United States458 Posts
On June 08 2010 13:03 Saechiis wrote: So according to you he could've won with ling/ infester only? Without the Ultra's soaking up tank damage and destroying buildings quickly? Also, lings obviously outrun the Ultra's, explaining why they sometimes lead the charge. At the least this build is more viable versus Mech than whining for nerfs. Where did you get ling/infestor from when I didn't even mention it? -_- And I'm not whining about nerfs. Everyone knows lings are faster than ultras, but Jinro let his lings go ahead of his ultras. So the ultras were not soaking up (the tank) damage for the lings to get in and do damage, which you just said are what ultras are for. And if they're not soaking up damage, what are they for? Just to deal massive damage? All I'm saying is that the way TLO won, the way he played against Jinro, the way he used his ultras with his lings, the way he just outmacro'd and had more stuff than Jinro, does not show why ultras are good against mech. (Not to mention the lings/ultras engaged the mech army in pretty open areas. Wonder how'd it be like in more choky areas. Can ultras really soak up all the damage from "smart-firing" tanks in a choke? Definitely not comparable to BW) Sure, ultras could be viable, hell even the most optimal strategy, against mech, but that replay didn't show it. On June 08 2010 13:20 shimpoe wrote: So what you're saying is TLO didn't play with ultras correctly and he still won? and yet it's not a viable strategy? Okay, well now that you've cleared that up... I think it's hilarious that a group of people think that in order to beat build X you need a build Y that is a super hard counter to it. Why can't build Y just be a strong, solid strategy for fighting against build X, where the determining factors are less about countering and more about just outplaying your opponent? That's exactly what I'm saying. He won, not because of how important his ultras were but because he had waaaaay more lings and ultras than tanks/thors/etc. And I agree. The way you play is a huuuge factor. But in this replay, I feel like Jinro underplayed rather than TLO outplaying Jinro. tldr: Again, not saying ultras are bad (well they kinda are, so slow and expensive haha) against mech, but just that that replay didn't show why ultras are good against mech. And SC2 ultra > SC1 ultra is sooooo questionable. | ||
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shimpoe
88 Posts
Maybe I misunderstood you, but it seemed to me like you hear TLO say he has a good strategy versus mech and you feel the need to expect the strategy to be a direct hard counter to it. In reality it turned out to just be a pretty solid plan that was executed better by TLO, which is perfectly fine to me. | ||
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ioldarnech
France36 Posts
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neohero9
United States595 Posts
131... was today I believe. He didn't do one yesterday, claimed throat was bothering him (*cough*totallyshowedupinICCUPExtravaganzastreamlaterthatnight*cough*). Hopefully he put a little honey in his tea and is back to top casting shape. If 131 was today, it ought to be up soon; if not, no idea. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On June 08 2010 14:51 shimpoe wrote: I'm saying maybe TLO's build wasn't so much a "LOL I CRUSH MECH SO EZ" strategy that you seem to think it has to be (or were expecting it to be?), but more of a "hey I can stand up to mech pretty reasonably well" strategy, which is perfectly fine for combating against another build (note: to me, combating a build does not require countering a build). Maybe I misunderstood you, but it seemed to me like you hear TLO say he has a good strategy versus mech and you feel the need to expect the strategy to be a direct hard counter to it. In reality it turned out to just be a pretty solid plan that was executed better by TLO, which is perfectly fine to me. I disagree that a build that simply combats another build being just fine in this scenario. It might be fine if there exists a build that actually does counter it, and you opt for this particular build for the options it presents later on (I havent seen 131 yet). However, if this one build is really the only option that you have then the matchup turns into this build vs mech every single time and whoever wins is just whoever executed better. That is an unreasonable situation to be in. | ||
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ioldarnech
France36 Posts
On June 08 2010 17:36 neohero9 wrote: Day9 had some kind of computer malfunction while doing something with 129, so he's having to edit out the shit parts and piecemeal it all back together. He mentions it at the beginning of 130 I believe. 131... was today I believe. He didn't do one yesterday, claimed throat was bothering him (*cough*totallyshowedupinICCUPExtravaganzastreamlaterthatnight*cough*). Hopefully he put a little honey in his tea and is back to top casting shape. If 131 was today, it ought to be up soon; if not, no idea. ok thanks for the info | ||
Phamtastic
2 Posts
http://www.the-ghetto.org/content/kespa-vs-blizzard-why-i-cant-root-for-either and http://www.the-ghetto.org/content/battle-net-2-0-the-antithesis-of-consumer-confidence I wasn't into Starcraft 1 and its competitive scene, but I really like SC2's. I love to watch Day9 cast and love watching pro games. (Side note: I love how he is so passionate about Starcraft! Very inspirational!) I haven't read much else about the LAN fiasco that Battle.net 2.0 holds, but I thought there would be some implications for what Blizzard plans. Let's say that there ends up being one corporation (Blizzard?) that runs the whole gamut of the competitive Starcraft scene and oversees all of its undertakings. One thing I was thinking might possibly happen is that Day9 might have to pay royalties to Blizzard for casting tournaments and such. All international tournaments and such may have to be overseen and dictated (reason? money, money, money) by the corporation. They might even block him from being able to cast anything at all. A great idea someone had was for Blizzard to hire Day9, but that may definitely limit his freedom of whatever he wants to talk about, which is in part why I love watching Day9 so much. I was wondering what are Day9's thoughts on this? This all sounds very pessimistic, and I may not have all of the information regarding the topic, but I was thinking about some of the implications for a globalized corporate monopoly on Starcraft's intellectual property (Blizzard's goal?). | ||
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
Phamtastic wrote: [...] If anything then Day[9] hates Kespa and supports Blizzard. And I'm frigging glad he isn't jumping on the anti-Blizzard train as everyone else. | ||
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