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jordancurk
Profile Joined February 2012
United States52 Posts
February 15 2013 01:55 GMT
#1
I've won 21 out of my 29 ladder games and I have yet to be matched with a player in a higher league. Any one else having this problem? How do I expect to get promoted?
moskonia
Profile Joined January 2011
Israel1448 Posts
February 15 2013 02:02 GMT
#2
Play more and don't care about your league.
jordancurk
Profile Joined February 2012
United States52 Posts
February 15 2013 02:08 GMT
#3
I don't particularly care about my league, it's just I haven't been matched with a player in a higher league.
BigRedDog
Profile Joined May 2012
461 Posts
February 15 2013 02:28 GMT
#4
I think it is because it is beta. Either not enough players online or there's some bug in the player match system.

I wouldn't worry about it until the real game comes out in March.
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DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
February 15 2013 02:29 GMT
#5
I've had the opposite problem. I'm in silver and I have a below 50% win percentage. However, i play nearly exclusively people above me in league, including a Grandmaster. Yes I'm serious. he was rank 200 but he was grandmaster and propmtly destroyed me.
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Wink and the Gun
Profile Joined November 2010
21 Posts
February 15 2013 02:39 GMT
#6
On February 15 2013 11:29 DBS wrote:
I've had the opposite problem. I'm in silver and I have a below 50% win percentage. However, i play nearly exclusively people above me in league, including a Grandmaster. Yes I'm serious. he was rank 200 but he was grandmaster and propmtly destroyed me.


This is the problem I've had. For every person close to my skill level, I get 3 that are way above me. I assume it's because most of the people playing HOTS are the more serious players.
TheSwagger
Profile Joined June 2012
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 03:00:38
February 15 2013 03:00 GMT
#7
I also never play above my league and rarely below (only unranked do I play below) Positive w/l record and always top 8, usually top 3 after bonus pool is depleted.
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jordancurk
Profile Joined February 2012
United States52 Posts
February 15 2013 03:00 GMT
#8
I wish I knew my MMR in relation to the other leagues at least.
Mansef
Profile Joined May 2012
59 Posts
February 15 2013 04:02 GMT
#9
HotS ladder is odd. I was in silver and played a Diamond followed by a Masters.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 15 2013 04:19 GMT
#10
On February 15 2013 11:39 Wink and the Gun wrote:
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On February 15 2013 11:29 DBS wrote:
I've had the opposite problem. I'm in silver and I have a below 50% win percentage. However, i play nearly exclusively people above me in league, including a Grandmaster. Yes I'm serious. he was rank 200 but he was grandmaster and propmtly destroyed me.


This is the problem I've had. For every person close to my skill level, I get 3 that are way above me. I assume it's because most of the people playing HOTS are the more serious players.

Yeah I've had this as well. Today I played 3 players in a row that were at least 2 leagues above me even though I only have a slightly above 50% win rate and they hadn't lost a bunch of games recently that would lower their MMR to mine as far as I know.
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KovuTalli
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom325 Posts
February 15 2013 12:28 GMT
#11
Also have this 5-0'd my placement got placed in Silver. Yet am constantly going against Diamond/Masters. (Altho when I do get the odd gold/plat I smash them incredibly hard) Not sure what my win % or MMR is haven't really looked at it. I just play to play atm and get practice, I may start to care after launch.
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Fortuna.424
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany174 Posts
February 15 2013 12:51 GMT
#12
I am currently in master league in hots and i play everything from Gold to Master, while everyone of my opponents is on the same level gameplay wise. So the leagues simply do not show the real mmr in the beta right now.
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Lowko
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands286 Posts
February 15 2013 13:11 GMT
#13
The hidden rating is very strange in Heart of the Swarm. At some point you will face like 6 gold leagues in a row and then a Grandmaster for no reason. I guess it has to do with the amount of players playing? Maybe? Not a clue. Best thing to do is to just forget about it and play I guess.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 13:31:51
February 15 2013 13:31 GMT
#14
I think in HoTS the ranks are really mucked up. I was diamond in WoL, close to masters and I'm gold currently, but the other gold players I'm facing are around the same skill level as what I used to face and I've played Platinum players in HoTS who say they were high masters in WoL.

Yet I've played some diamond players and completely destroyed them.
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rEalGuapo
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany832 Posts
February 15 2013 14:18 GMT
#15
On February 15 2013 22:31 Qikz wrote:
I think in HoTS the ranks are really mucked up. I was diamond in WoL, close to masters and I'm gold currently, but the other gold players I'm facing are around the same skill level as what I used to face and I've played Platinum players in HoTS who say they were high masters in WoL.

Yet I've played some diamond players and completely destroyed them.


I don't know on what server you play WoL but there are huge differences between diamond NA and Diamond in Korea.

Since HotS is for all players at once I guess that getting into the same league as you are on your server is harder. That being said, I am high master EU and am high master on HotS, though I face pros pretty often, for me it seems easier to get good opponents and high ranks
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
February 15 2013 15:44 GMT
#16
On February 15 2013 23:18 rEalGuapo wrote:
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On February 15 2013 22:31 Qikz wrote:
I think in HoTS the ranks are really mucked up. I was diamond in WoL, close to masters and I'm gold currently, but the other gold players I'm facing are around the same skill level as what I used to face and I've played Platinum players in HoTS who say they were high masters in WoL.

Yet I've played some diamond players and completely destroyed them.


I don't know on what server you play WoL but there are huge differences between diamond NA and Diamond in Korea.

Since HotS is for all players at once I guess that getting into the same league as you are on your server is harder. That being said, I am high master EU and am high master on HotS, though I face pros pretty often, for me it seems easier to get good opponents and high ranks


I played on Europe and the majority of other europeans in gold I seem to face said they were in diamond. I wouldn't have thought there'd be enough players to really bump people down 2 leagues, but as I said I've played and completely destroyed diamond players I've faced. Platinum players I've faced have been better, that's what makes me question the legitimacy of the ranks outside of GM currently.
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aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
February 15 2013 15:59 GMT
#17
On February 15 2013 23:18 rEalGuapo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 22:31 Qikz wrote:
I think in HoTS the ranks are really mucked up. I was diamond in WoL, close to masters and I'm gold currently, but the other gold players I'm facing are around the same skill level as what I used to face and I've played Platinum players in HoTS who say they were high masters in WoL.

Yet I've played some diamond players and completely destroyed them.


I don't know on what server you play WoL but there are huge differences between diamond NA and Diamond in Korea.

Since HotS is for all players at once I guess that getting into the same league as you are on your server is harder. That being said, I am high master EU and am high master on HotS, though I face pros pretty often, for me it seems easier to get good opponents and high ranks


From experience, I'd say Diamond KR is about the same as Diamond NA. Sure they might play a little faster, but they are more prone to sticking to the builds used most often in GSL, they are easy to confuse. They do one specific build, and they do it quite well, but if you throw a wrench in the works they are just as bad as diamond on any other server.

As far as HotS goes, I went 5-0 in placements last season of HotS, got plat. Then this season I played my 1 placement and won it, got placed in bronze. lol. There's definitely something off about the placement system right now So you have good players spread all over in various leagues. So just because you are playing a silver player, it doesn't mean his MMR is necessarily silver level.
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tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
February 15 2013 16:35 GMT
#18
I think they just broadened the search criteria is all... Just keep playing
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
February 15 2013 16:36 GMT
#19
The league set up is dumb in hots I think it is because hots has a small player population.
BoondockVeritas
Profile Joined August 2010
United States191 Posts
February 15 2013 17:24 GMT
#20
I have positive w/l and am in diamond. Just play unranked, so idk if that makes a difference so much, and I face gold/plat/diamond/masters and masters who claim to be gm in wol. I think the match making system is just weird because beta and less people playing it than wings. Same opinion as everyone else.
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Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
February 15 2013 17:29 GMT
#21
I am mid master in wol and platinum in Hots. Its very humiliating.

The funny thing is the range of players i face on the ladder : from silver to master. Something is broken for sure...
rustypipe
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada206 Posts
February 15 2013 19:03 GMT
#22
I won my 5 placement matches and got placed in gold, however most of the gold players i've been playing are diamond+ in WoL anyhow. Most being Mid masters or higher, lol so really it doesn't matter much in beta other then to pump your own tires and say your in X league

The beatings will continue until moral improves!
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 19:11:45
February 15 2013 19:11 GMT
#23
Cant wait for release so my ranks go up lol :D
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
February 15 2013 19:17 GMT
#24
Don't worry, leagues are dumb in hots. I beat a gm and the others i played and got bronze. Just chug on!
gamingaddictmike
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada30 Posts
February 16 2013 22:20 GMT
#25
Having a similar issue... Am masters in WoL and then Silver in HotS which can be frustrating... Although there are still many players that are diamond/masters in low leagues, it is frustrating to not face anybody above silver despite a 20 game win streak....
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
February 16 2013 22:26 GMT
#26
Masters, Masters, Masters and 1 of 30 games a GM or mabie a diamond. Just like in Wol
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Dirkinity
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany409 Posts
February 16 2013 22:38 GMT
#27
Yeah same for me its fucked up. I lost a little bit of motivation because 90% of games are just terrible. I macro up and just kill my opponent and this stupid system does not match me up against better players.
Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
February 17 2013 00:27 GMT
#28
I see similar thing, 50% of my games are against "bronze "silver", however most of them know what they are doing, what I can observe is they are usually low XP level, 4-10, so they are new to hots beta. My guess is there was a huge swell of players and they for some reason only new bronze and silver leagues were created to accommodate them. I've been playing a lot of unranked games lately, opponents there are at my MMR and I struggle to keep 50% win rate.

BUT, who cares, it's beta, leagues count even less than in WOL. It will all be wiped, only your experience and skill you've gained will transfer to the release, just keep playing the game.
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Jasiwel
Profile Joined June 2012
United States146 Posts
February 17 2013 01:48 GMT
#29
Well, leagues in general are kind of messed up right now. Bronze is a hoshposh of players who are decent and players who are not right now, kind of like a massive wildcard. Silver is....weird. Gold is like Platinum and Platinum is like Diamond now from what I've heard. I've heard Diamond is actually consistent. Then naturally Masters and Grandmaster are always up for debate.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
February 17 2013 01:57 GMT
#30
i am master and play alot platin/diamond, so its seems pretty normal right now
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phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
February 17 2013 02:25 GMT
#31
I dont think there is anything wrong with HoTs ladder imo. Keep in mind there are different servers added into one. So if you are plat or whatever on one server doesnt mean you will be plat on a different server.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
February 17 2013 02:35 GMT
#32
There are simply not enough people playing beta, and the system doesn't want to keep you waiting for eons to play a game.
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mynameisgreat11
Profile Joined February 2012
599 Posts
February 17 2013 03:35 GMT
#33
nothing like beating a GM and then getting destroyed by a plat the next game
jordancurk
Profile Joined February 2012
United States52 Posts
February 17 2013 05:18 GMT
#34
I don't even understand how im not facing higher players haha
oh well Im still enjoying HOTS
mythandier
Profile Joined January 2011
United States828 Posts
February 17 2013 07:08 GMT
#35
I'm mid masters wol and silver in hots. When I first started hots I was gm, gm, then gold...then all over the place...so yeah, it's broken.
Blackknight232
Profile Joined July 2011
United States169 Posts
February 18 2013 03:09 GMT
#36
Yeah i can never seem to get out of Bronze and I know i'm doing better than Bronze and still i end up getting placed there. I mean I left my league like 3 times already and still end up in bronze so yeah it's broken
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 03:16:26
February 18 2013 03:15 GMT
#37
Just keep playing and don't worry about it. I had the exact same thing and after playing about 45-50 games now I'm being matched against even players in masters despite being initially placed in silver (Masters WoL Terran). I got to top 8 diamond with a record of 39-12 or something silly. It's evened out quite a bit since then. Now I play solely masters players.
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phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
February 18 2013 04:31 GMT
#38
Also, keep in mind unranked MMR and ranked MMR are separate but its the same ladder. So if i made it to master and whatnot on ladder, and then do an unranked game, i would be matched with like a silver. I think blizzard needs to make the ladder separate too because this could lead to abuses. If i get my rank up to GM, i can give points to GM players and all i would lose is MMR. Keep rinse and repeating and taking turn with the GM until we both are like high GM.
TrainerRed
Profile Joined February 2013
United States18 Posts
February 18 2013 04:37 GMT
#39
On February 15 2013 10:55 jordancurk wrote:
I've won 21 out of my 29 ladder games and I have yet to be matched with a player in a higher league. Any one else having this problem? How do I expect to get promoted?

Just because you won 21 out of 29, it doesn't really mean anything. It would be nice to win 29 straight games but only winning 21 (and they are probably stagnated wins at that) wont get you a promo consideration. Either way, its only the beta. Take rank serious when the actual game comes out, not now.


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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12686 Posts
February 18 2013 05:22 GMT
#40
I am diamond wol playing as gold in hots.
Played some plat terran who claimed to be a master terran since wol beta but he played extremely poor.
then I played some silver protoss who played at plat wol level I feel.

there was a korean terran who was at silver and played like a master lol
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 05:58:34
February 18 2013 05:58 GMT
#41
Pretty much what most people wrote. I am high dia in wol, plat in hots. I play everything from gold - master and often beat masters easily only to get crushed by a gold player next game. Also played GMs.
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