Widow mine becomes weak as skill increases? - Page 7

On February 16 2013 14:02 Rowrin wrote:
IMO: They are good defensive unit to get early game to save gas and allow terran to focus on tech/upgrades.

Besides that, widow mines are pretty much useless as skill increases and as the players progress later into the game. Their only efficient use is early game to harass/defend harass and to hold off a 7-8 minute timing. After that, if you still have a few, you stick the ones you have left to guard mineral lines (Though you cant get too close without friendly fire decimating your scvs). They are pretty much supply sinks once the mid game kicks in. Players either poke with individual units if they know you have WM's, or have some type of detection with their army.

However, that said I would think that at the extremely highest levels, widow mines complement bio armies + medvacs extremely well. Players that are good at moving the mines constantly, maneuvering around the map, keeping their opponent guessing and that are able to respond to small groups of units trying to snipe mines, may be able to get a better return out of them.

It is just another aspect of terran that gets worse as you get better until you cross a massive skill gap.

On February 18 2013 04:22 magicallypuzzled wrote:
People talking about how it'd be hard to trigger the widow mine with lings if the Terran plays right got me thinking. What if the Zerg used something else to trigger them? Something that is typically used for some thing completely different? Something that recently got a seemingly useless early game buff. Overlords with speed.

Make 6 or so extra Overlords with speed send them in from different directions to help prevent the marines from focusing them down before they are in the widow mines range. Now I know that's rather more expensive then lings but it's far less expensive then losing your entire army no? Also it's not uncommon for even high level pros to have a few hundred extra minerals at times. A possible weakness would be It'd be entirely possible for the Terran to kill them all if he had enough marines might mean using the overlords when he's tank heavy and lings when he's marine heavy or some such. What do you think would it be worth it to use Overlords like that I mean more so then it is at the moment sometimes it happens but it seems almost more of a after thought and only one at a time then a strategy meant specifically to counter low to mid numbers of widow mines.

On February 18 2013 04:25 Vlare wrote:


Because that costs 700/100 . That's a lot of ling/drone/queen and whatever else have you. Maybe in the later game when you've got a bank, sure. But in the early-midgame. You can't make that sink. You're better off sending in 1ling, or a burrowed roach or a changeling if those work.

On February 18 2013 04:30 SoFrOsTy wrote:
Good terrain unburrow before the bait then reburrow when zerg moves in. With one second burrow time it works great.

On February 18 2013 04:30 magicallypuzzled wrote:


too an extent it depends on how all in the terran is doesn't it? if it's basically just pressure then maybe you would have to find a different way of dealing with it I am not trying to say its an all situations fix but it might have it's place right?

On February 18 2013 04:35 Vlare wrote:


If you're being all in'd maybe. It really depends on the specific situation. But I don't think it will ever become a staple. It's one of those cute things you see sometimes

On February 18 2013 03:56 Qikz wrote:


Not that I've actually checked since I tried zerg when I first got the beta (much like WoL I couldn't play them, like at all), but you can hold fire with the swarm hosts can't you?

On February 18 2013 04:35 magicallypuzzled wrote:


with banelings and good creep spread I would think that would be rather difficult to pull off with out getting your widow mines killed.