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Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
December 08 2012 20:26 GMT
#1
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In Heart of the Swarm they're rearranged many buttons for Zerg players, who are using GRID hotkey scheme, and it required to adopt to new layout. Well, one of bad things was a merged Burrow/Cancel commands into one.

I've rebinded Burrow to F1 and always used Cancel command as Escape, sometimes required that hotkey as "B"

Haven't tested it in WOL, but it works well in HOTS, just go to \Documents\StarCraft II Beta\Accounts\<numbers>\Hotkeys\ and open your custom hotkey-file with Notepad. Then find your hotkey command and with , add a new hotkey. Here on the picture above I now can Cancel buildings with Escape and burrow units with F1 or B.

It may help you, because there is no option "Allow hotkey conflicts" for Grid-users. This is a solution: just use 3+ hotkeys on one command.
topsecret221
Profile Joined September 2012
United States108 Posts
December 09 2012 00:41 GMT
#2
What about the issue where the "morph baneling" button is on the same key as the "detonate baneling" button?
JohnnyZerg
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy378 Posts
December 21 2012 22:53 GMT
#3
On December 09 2012 09:41 topsecret221 wrote:
What about the issue where the "morph baneling" button is on the same key as the "detonate baneling" button?

by zerg, I lost more than a couple of games for this.
XerrolAvengerII
Profile Joined January 2010
United States510 Posts
December 23 2012 05:41 GMT
#4
On December 09 2012 09:41 topsecret221 wrote:
What about the issue where the "morph baneling" button is on the same key as the "detonate baneling" button?

Seriously WTF blizzard!? It's like they weren't even paying attention!
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
December 23 2012 06:20 GMT
#5
For Grid layout users, it's highly recommended that you use a hotkey file to custom a lot of frustrating hotkeys like baneling and attack move..
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Jackbo
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-24 13:55:17
December 23 2012 06:23 GMT
#6
I have a custom hotkey set up, and I've used this way of editing the hotkeys for a while. I have cancel as F5 F6 F7 F8 and F9 simply because I don't use them for anything else and it's easy to just press any key up there to cancel things. Something that does annoy me with the new HotS hotkeys though, is that the nexus doesn't have its own stop command like the planetary fortress. I have G as build worker for all races, but I also have it as stop. With terran, it doesn't matter, because the planetary has its own stop command which I have bound to O, so there is no conflict. But the nexus now shares a stop command with ALL other units, meaning I have to have this conflict.
Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
December 23 2012 06:45 GMT
#7
I used Grid layout in the past, but now I use a modified grid layout. What I did was just set it to standard, then rebind all the Zerg hotkeys to be the same as they would be in grid. For things like building units and such I still have it as grid, but abilities (explode baneling, fungal growth, inject) are all set to more convenient keys (f and the surrounding keys) than the bottom row.

So because I'm technically playing on a custom hotkey layout of "standard" but just rearranged to be grid, this doesn't affect me.
KumihO.
Profile Joined December 2012
United States55 Posts
December 23 2012 07:32 GMT
#8
Well this is really cool. Is this only for zerg or all races?
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 07:42:00
December 23 2012 07:41 GMT
#9
On December 23 2012 16:32 KumihO. wrote:
Well this is really cool. Is this only for zerg or all races?

umm, hotkeys can be changed for all races. The F1-B-Escape example can be useful for zergs. Maybe you can find your hotkey conflicts on grid layout for other races.
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 14:35:35
December 25 2012 14:35 GMT
#10
On December 23 2012 14:41 XerrolAvengerII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 09:41 topsecret221 wrote:
What about the issue where the "morph baneling" button is on the same key as the "detonate baneling" button?

Seriously WTF blizzard!? It's like they weren't even paying attention!


It's not blizzard's fault.
Some person made the GRID layout, it's a custom mod, not supported nor created by blizzard.

Standard blizzard hotkeys are the following:

Morph Baneling: E
Explode Baneling: X


the custom GRID Layout is as following:

Morph Baneling: X
Explode Baneling: X

So don't falsely hate blizzard, it's a custom mod.
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Natalya
Profile Joined December 2011
Belgium287 Posts
December 25 2012 15:55 GMT
#11
recently i've been trying to use camera hotkeys and wanted to bind them as ASDF, but it wouldnt work because sc2 would not allow for F to be used for fungal and camera hotkey 4 at the same time. With your method of editing the hotkey file, would it allow for it? So that when i have an infestor selected, F would trigger fungal but when i dont have one selected, F would function as camera 4?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
December 25 2012 16:19 GMT
#12
Cool find man! Blizzard has always been negligent on the hotkeys that come with the game. If you want a Hotkey layout that is designed to work, I would consider TheCore.
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Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
December 25 2012 16:29 GMT
#13
recently i've been trying to use camera hotkeys and wanted to bind them as ASDF, but it wouldnt work because sc2 would not allow for F to be used for fungal and camera hotkey 4 at the same time. With your method of editing the hotkey file, would it allow for it? So that when i have an infestor selected, F would trigger fungal but when i dont have one selected, F would function as camera 4?

Try to experiment with it
Don.681
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines189 Posts
December 26 2012 15:48 GMT
#14
On December 23 2012 14:41 XerrolAvengerII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 09:41 topsecret221 wrote:
What about the issue where the "morph baneling" button is on the same key as the "detonate baneling" button?

Seriously WTF blizzard!? It's like they weren't even paying attention!


Or, they needed BETA testers to find things exactly like this in a BETA test.
Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
December 26 2012 16:11 GMT
#15
On December 27 2012 00:48 Don.681 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 14:41 XerrolAvengerII wrote:
On December 09 2012 09:41 topsecret221 wrote:
What about the issue where the "morph baneling" button is on the same key as the "detonate baneling" button?

Seriously WTF blizzard!? It's like they weren't even paying attention!


Or, they needed BETA testers to find things exactly like this in a BETA test.

It's actually like this in WoL too.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
December 26 2012 17:02 GMT
#16
Also, they mess up tabbed production and other possible hotkey options with this.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Obamanation666
Profile Joined October 2011
United States70 Posts
February 19 2013 18:09 GMT
#17
It's not blizzard's fault.
Some person made the GRID layout, it's a custom mod, not supported nor created by blizzard.

Standard blizzard hotkeys are the following:

Morph Baneling: E
Explode Baneling: X


the custom GRID Layout is as following:

Morph Baneling: X
Explode Baneling: X

So don't falsely hate blizzard, it's a custom mod.


As far as I'm concerned, it is Blizzard's fault. Why they haven't made an easily understandable and highly customizable hotkey of their own, to a game that easily requires 100 - 400 actions per minute, is absolutely ridiculous. You shouldn't have to rehotkey every single key on your standard setup just to move one damn key on the grid. Back in WC3 days, you could open up your grid hotkeys and drag click the key where you wanted it to go. It was a simple program that worked beautifully; in the hands of a skilled programmer, it would take less than a couple of days to set something like this up. It shouldn't be this complicated and tedious.
Ninjury_J
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada408 Posts
February 19 2013 20:49 GMT
#18
If you are looking for a great hotkey setup, I highly recommend JaKaTaK's post above. TheCore is powerful, fast, and efficient. Check it out!
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
February 20 2013 06:22 GMT
#19
On December 25 2012 23:35 kaluro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 14:41 XerrolAvengerII wrote:
On December 09 2012 09:41 topsecret221 wrote:
What about the issue where the "morph baneling" button is on the same key as the "detonate baneling" button?

Seriously WTF blizzard!? It's like they weren't even paying attention!


It's not blizzard's fault.
Some person made the GRID layout, it's a custom mod, not supported nor created by blizzard.

Standard blizzard hotkeys are the following:

Morph Baneling: E
Explode Baneling: X


the custom GRID Layout is as following:

Morph Baneling: X
Explode Baneling: X

So don't falsely hate blizzard, it's a custom mod.
Not sure where you got that info. Since the start of WOL, grid has been available as a preset hotkey setting in game (I have used it since release as I play all races) and has indeed had morph and explode baneling hotkeys on the same key since then also. It isn't anything custom at all. Most grid players fixed it once Blizzard implemented the ability to change hotkeys in game but until then you had to fix it in other ways or be super careful so you don't accidentally explode all your banelings when you actually meant to make more.
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
February 20 2013 07:04 GMT
#20
They definitely should let you move the buttons on units (especially for grid users).

Also yep, Grid has been one of the available hotkey setups to use since the beginning.
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