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if this unit stays in the game i will switch races or not play hots. what the fuck blizzard.
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Sajiki
Germany522 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNS3LcpImo0#at=18m if this unit stays in the game i will switch races or not play hots. what the fuck blizzard. | ||
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
On September 11 2012 23:32 Josh111 wrote: If there was no proscene 1v1 BW would have died long before it did. Most people in BW never played 1v1 and if they did they didnt enjoy it. The majority of people who played BW played UMS games, it was only the hardcore group who stuck with 1v1 and kept it alive as long as they did. He clearly meant no SC2 proscene. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YRyUk.png) The red line is the line of engagement and decides the winner. The number "50" is the number of Warhounds each opponent has. On the left is a draw. On the right side B wins. We will be able to predict every battle's outcome this way by the time Blizzard is finished. | ||
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neversummer
United States156 Posts
On September 11 2012 23:54 Sajiki wrote: how can i play terran when theres such a shit unit around. just look at these engagements. theyre neither fun for a player nor for a viewer. terran does nothing. just.. nothing. and still trades even. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNS3LcpImo0#at=9m30s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNS3LcpImo0#at=18m if this unit stays in the game i will switch races or not play hots. what the fuck blizzard. Posts like this are actually comical. Have you ever played TvP in WoL? I can assure you using a ghost/MMM composition vs chargelot/archon/HT (amove + T) makes it appear as though the protoss does nothing...just....nothing...and doesn't trade even but obliterates the entire Terran army, then warps in 15 zealots. The level of hypocrisy in this thread from people who have never even played the game is incredible. | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
On September 11 2012 23:32 Josh111 wrote: If there was no proscene 1v1 BW would have died long before it did. Most people in BW never played 1v1 and if they did they didnt enjoy it. The majority of people who played BW played UMS games, it was only the hardcore group who stuck with 1v1 and kept it alive as long as they did. for me was the opposite, BW was a trash game for me at the start when what all I was doing, was playing ums and 2v2, i start enjoying BW only with 1v1 and the better i became at the game the more i enjoyed it | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
On September 11 2012 23:19 how2TL wrote: If there was no proscene at all, I would bet my dick that more people would play BW than SC2. What a ludicrous thing to say. SC2 is far more popular in the west than BW ever was, and not mainly because of the pro scene. | ||
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Sajiki
Germany522 Posts
On September 12 2012 00:04 neversummer wrote: Posts like this are actually comical. Have you ever played TvP in WoL? I can assure you using a ghost/MMM composition vs chargelot/archon/HT (amove + T) makes it appear as though the protoss does nothing...just....nothing...and doesn't trade even but obliterates the entire Terran army, then warps in 15 zealots. The level of hypocrisy in this thread from people who have never even played the game is incredible. sorry.. what? O.o | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
On September 11 2012 21:18 -orb- wrote: I feel bad replying to this comment when there are so many more deserving comments that very intelligent posters made, but for some reason I feel drawn to do so anyways as there have been a couple people on other sites making similarly silly posts... First off you should understand I'm a random player, not a protoss player. Protoss may be my best race, but I'm not a competitor. I'm no pro, I don't make posts for the purpose of buffing "my race" so that I can win more tournaments. I'm a caster. There is really no possible reason at all for me to want one race to be more powerful than the other. All I want is the best possible spectator experience, so that my audience will enjoy watching, the game will thrive, and I will enjoy casting and legitimately get excited enough to hype the players and their play up. Secondly if you actually read my post instead of reading the title and assuming you know what I said, you'll notice I actually do reference how the colossus is an extreme failure in comparison to the reaver. I am not making an attack only on the Warhound, I am making an attack on all easy-mode low-risk/high-reward units and more importantly the design philosophy that leads to these types of units. I just use the Warhound as the focus and biggest example because it is probably the biggest offender that also does not even add anything to the game. While I hate units like the colossus (I have said so many times during WoL beta and release that it is my least favorite unit of all time and I even refused to build it for most of my Beta competitive career), at least they serve some purpose in the game, while the warhound really doesn't add anything other than a way to play mech exactly like the way people play bio. Also, were I to make a thread today saying why the colossus should be removed, I can 100% guarantee it would be ignored by blizzard. It is much more likely in my opinion that if I make a thread with regards to a more current and immediate issue (as they are just now trying to make HotS balanced) that I will be able to change Blizzard's mind about their design philosophy in general. It's an extreme long-shot, I am aware. At this point however I find myself becoming extremely motivated to do something, because I don't want to see my favorite game franchise become boring and lose the fun/excitement, which seems to be the direction Blizzard is taking it. I can no longer just sit idly by and let them ruin this game that used to be so unbelievably beautiful and inspiring. <3 Can't say I disagree with anything you said in this thread. | ||
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iNiCk
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
The warhound is an attack move unit. What I mean by this is that you do not need any fancy micro (nor is any possible) to make the warhound effective. You attack move into your opponent and you're set. Target firing and pulling back hurt warhounds is literally the ONLY form of micro you can possibly do to increase their effectiveness, and this can be said to be true for literally any possible ranged unit design First of all your argument makes zero sense, you take the basic mechanic of every ranged unit in the game and try to use it against the warhound (WTF?). Then you admit you're wrong by adding the bold text. Were you hoping that nobody actually pays attention or what? I did read the entire post and this is pretty much what's supposed to be your core argument, everything else is just examples and theory crafting (well written though). However, when it comes down to why you think the warhound should be removed, you have no real reasons except the one i mentioned earlier. Which you yourself admit that applies to every range unit in the game. At least get some decency and ask for the redesign/removal of immortals, roaches, stalkers, etc as well OR come up with a legit argument against the warhound itself. Trying to get a single unit removed for having the same basic mechanics as half the units in the game is childish, hypocritical and disrespectful to anyone who actually reads your post. | ||
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trashman
United States113 Posts
All of which is a roundabout way of saying: people who are new to a game may be terrible at it, but they are not infants. Show them something cool, whether it be a reaver drop or setting up baneling landmines, and show them how to do it themselves--literally, what buttons on the screen to press, if need be--and they'll end up having more fun in the long run than they will watching a colossus barbecue some marines. But somebody who really is new to Starcraft, who perhaps doesn't even know that a pro scene exists--in short, the sort of casual player whose interest Blizzard would like to do more to maintain--that sort of player does need some direction. Maybe just an advanced tutorial: here's a little clip of an archon toilet. Doesn't that look awesome? Okay, here's how you do it yourself. See? Now you're having more fun than you were before. The awfulness of the warhound aside, I do think that Blizzard is moving in the direction of more interesting, more difficult, more micro-able units with HotS. But if they want to broaden and deepen the player base, they need to help spread an appreciation for the things that make Starcraft awesome, they need to present new players with more than seemingly random banners on the home screen for tournaments and a "Find Match" button, or most of those uninitiated players and just going to try the campaign and then move on to something else. | ||
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Toegrinder
Northern Ireland2 Posts
I do not understand Blizzard anymore. | ||
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Greenei
Germany1754 Posts
otherwise plz remove lings, blings, roaches, hydras, ultralisks, broodlords, zealots, archons, colossi,... | ||
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Quochobao
United States350 Posts
The reason is that the Warhound's problem is not just its simple ranged attack, but a combination of easy unit pathing, high damage output per second, multiple unit selection. It's a much deeper problem than just what's being discussed here | ||
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hpTheGreat
United States173 Posts
I was hoping blizzard would change direction with this new expansion and try to fix on some of the fundamental things it fucked up on but instead they are continuing down the same path. This was always inevitable however. BW is the best RTS ever created. It is a collossal task to recreate such a masterpiece without making it identical. Units i'd like to see removed for their bad design: colossi, marauder, hydra, warhound, tempest, corruptor, baneling (this is more of a grudge agaisnt banelings as they take lurker's spot), swarm host. PS. To anyone that says "this isnt BW! go play bw if you want BW!!!": Two words for you: F and U. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
colossi, thors, roaches, hydras, ultras, broodlords, carriers, zealots, archons, marines, etc etc... in order to change this you would have to resdesign every unit in the game as well as remove a few units. colossi, thors, and Mship are units that i believe should have NEVER gotten past the beta stages and its utterly stupid that they did. infact colossi itself is the embodiment of the A move deathball in SC2. so honestly because of all these units and the addition of even more easy mode units like the warhound i beleive that blizzard has reached the point of no return. the reason for that IMO is because of blizzards decision to make this a "spectators" sport so they wanted it to be pure non stop action. thus adding A move lazer beam units. | ||
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cordrann
United States8 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
This is why I'm not going to be buying HOTS until I see how others like the changes. I just don't see the allure. | ||
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mathemagician1986
Germany549 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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