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spirates
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden148 Posts
August 01 2012 16:49 GMT
#1
Hi.

I played through the campain when the game was released and the hardest mission by far for me was In Utter Darkness.. It was atleast twice as hard as any other mission I played.

Today I decided to play it again after not doing single player for over 1 year atleast, and to my surprise I completed In Utter Darkness 2500 kills with ease o:..

So I wonder, have this mission (brutal) been nerfed since the game was released?
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
August 01 2012 16:54 GMT
#2
Have you considered the thought that maybe you just got better?
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 01 2012 16:59 GMT
#3
Clearly whatever skills you've picked up in multiplayer over the last two years don't carry over to the single player, thus the only logical conclusion must be that Blizz stealth-nerfed the mission sometime inbetween...
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
August 01 2012 17:30 GMT
#4
You aren't nearly as bad as you used to be, congrats.
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
August 01 2012 21:00 GMT
#5
When I started playing SC2 I was Platinum, now I'm mid-Masters. Ladder nerf?
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Surth
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Germany456 Posts
August 01 2012 21:11 GMT
#6
Why is every single answer in this thread so petty? Could have made the point (Chances are you improved due to multiplayer) without being so condescending. :o
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black3200
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada74 Posts
August 01 2012 21:20 GMT
#7
2 years ago I could bench 145lbs and now i can bench 195lbs , did they nerf my gym? ... but seriously im sure you just got better..
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
August 01 2012 21:35 GMT
#8
On August 02 2012 06:11 Surth wrote:
Why is every single answer in this thread so petty? Could have made the point (Chances are you improved due to multiplayer) without being so condescending. :o

Because its a ridiculously obvious answer?
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 21:51:55
August 01 2012 21:51 GMT
#9
For those unaware (it seems to be a lot of people) there are a lot of people on YouTube and B.Net who have at times suggested that patches have tweaked the campaign in various ways. Whilst it's not the case, it's not unreasonable that someone who hasn't actively read all the little changes of every patch might believe some levels have been nerfed.

To confirm the answer though, the campaign hasn't been changed since release except for bug fixing.
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Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
August 01 2012 23:58 GMT
#10
When you've gotten good, most of brutal will seem like a joke. =P It's fine though. Brutal lived up to its name in the first year of SC2 for most of us.

I mean, I can regularly score 3450+ kills on Utter Darkness Brutal with ease. No dark templars needed.
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corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
August 02 2012 03:59 GMT
#11
I played the mission recently (like three weeks ago) for the achievement and got 2.9k kills on Brutal. I just did it again out of curiosity after reading this thread and I got 2.8k, and it felt the same. It might have gotten "nerfed" at some point since release, but I'd guess that it's just that you've gotten better.
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IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
August 02 2012 04:34 GMT
#12
Yeah I was a little surprised at how incredibly easy the campaign is on brutal now. Skill makes a big difference
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nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
August 02 2012 07:08 GMT
#13
On August 02 2012 13:34 IcedBacon wrote:
Yeah I was a little surprised at how incredibly easy the campaign is on brutal now. Skill makes a big difference

Me too, I remember struggling like hell and doing missions by the neck of the teeth on brutal. When I decided to do it again, I finished the Brutal in 2 days and almost no restarts between missions.
"Having your own haters means you are famous"
rezzan
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden329 Posts
August 02 2012 10:21 GMT
#14
I havnt even finished the last mission in single player yet... Sc2 is multiplayer game imho :- > never been much for scBW-sc2 single-player
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 19:59:04
August 03 2012 08:46 GMT
#15
"Subtle" brag post alert!
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 03 2012 09:18 GMT
#16
patch 1.5 strikes again
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ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
August 03 2012 09:35 GMT
#17
On August 02 2012 06:35 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 06:11 Surth wrote:
Why is every single answer in this thread so petty? Could have made the point (Chances are you improved due to multiplayer) without being so condescending. :o

Because its a ridiculously obvious answer?

is it?
what if hes stuck in bronze for 2 years, and plays mainly custom games like marine arena and stuff
and if he only plays zerg say, hes gonna be no better with terran then he was 2 years ago

the reason everyone has to be a tool about answering him is because they all wanna flex their e-penis and act really tough
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 03 2012 09:48 GMT
#18
On August 03 2012 18:35 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 06:35 Whatson wrote:
On August 02 2012 06:11 Surth wrote:
Why is every single answer in this thread so petty? Could have made the point (Chances are you improved due to multiplayer) without being so condescending. :o

Because its a ridiculously obvious answer?

is it?
what if hes stuck in bronze for 2 years, and plays mainly custom games like marine arena and stuff
and if he only plays zerg say, hes gonna be no better with terran then he was 2 years ago

the reason everyone has to be a tool about answering him is because they all wanna flex their e-penis and act really tough

well he says he's in high master in another one of his threads, so I'd say he has in fact simply gotten better...
TheWorldToCome
Profile Joined January 2012
United States452 Posts
August 03 2012 16:28 GMT
#19
Clearly a brag thread.
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MrF
Profile Joined October 2011
United States320 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-04 19:31:42
August 03 2012 19:57 GMT
#20
Clearly some bad bread.

User was warned for this post
sorry that was stupid, pointless and off topic, and not funny.

I doubt they nerfed the mission you just got better.
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Maxd11
Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
August 03 2012 21:08 GMT
#21
On August 02 2012 12:59 corpuscle wrote:
I played the mission recently (like three weeks ago) for the achievement and got 2.9k kills on Brutal. I just did it again out of curiosity after reading this thread and I got 2.8k, and it felt the same. It might have gotten "nerfed" at some point since release, but I'd guess that it's just that you've gotten better.

U didn't hear? Gravity was OP as shit.
I don't think they've changed the campaign since release though.
Also "ALL IN" was the hardest mission by far.
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HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
August 03 2012 21:40 GMT
#22
On August 04 2012 06:08 Maxd11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 12:59 corpuscle wrote:
I played the mission recently (like three weeks ago) for the achievement and got 2.9k kills on Brutal. I just did it again out of curiosity after reading this thread and I got 2.8k, and it felt the same. It might have gotten "nerfed" at some point since release, but I'd guess that it's just that you've gotten better.

U didn't hear? Gravity was OP as shit.
I don't think they've changed the campaign since release though.
Also "ALL IN" was the hardest mission by far.

They did, there were some changes. Mostly bugfixes tho and you might not see them in the patchnotes.
oh, hai
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 22:52:37
August 03 2012 22:52 GMT
#23
On August 04 2012 06:08 Maxd11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 12:59 corpuscle wrote:
I played the mission recently (like three weeks ago) for the achievement and got 2.9k kills on Brutal. I just did it again out of curiosity after reading this thread and I got 2.8k, and it felt the same. It might have gotten "nerfed" at some point since release, but I'd guess that it's just that you've gotten better.

U didn't hear? Gravity was OP as shit.
I don't think they've changed the campaign since release though.
Also "ALL IN" was the hardest mission by far.

one might argue that, but all you needed to do was save everytime kerrigan spawned and reload if she oneshotted too valuable stuff lol, other than that you could just sit on your ass behind a wall, only thing needed to micro was a couple of banshees to kill of nydus worms

then again In Utter Darkness didn't really need that much other than graviton beam and psi storm either... so there are really no hard missions in the single player :s
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-04 03:56:33
August 04 2012 03:55 GMT
#24
I actually find it just as frustrating as always, and I'm pretty sure I've gotten better. I think I'm just really impatient when doing the campaign, as it almost certainly means my internet is down or battle.net is on maintenance. Or maybe carriers suck on that level. I probably try once on brutal and since it's been so long, I fail and say "screw it, I don't like this level anyways." The first mission where you have no warp gates drives me nuts, plus the lack of chronoboost in all missions. It feels so slow.

In theory, however, I should probably have an easy time doing a super Artanis archon toilet.
Temerarious Trout
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
174 Posts
August 04 2012 09:29 GMT
#25
Your OP lacks information,
it goes against TL legislation.

Improve the OP, man.
Do you want a ban?

User was warned for this post
Feel it first, think about it later
JazzNL
Profile Joined March 2012
182 Posts
August 04 2012 10:16 GMT
#26
So many teenagers venting their RL rage here trying to make the OP feel bad for.. no reason. It's entirely possible the mission got nerfed because it is indeed one of the harder missions, it is at the very least plausible that Blizzard considered it to be ''too difficult''. I doubt any of the teenagers did any research at all to back up their stalwart response, I shall do mine! :-)

Have a nice day!
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-04 11:01:34
August 04 2012 11:01 GMT
#27
On August 04 2012 19:16 JazzNL wrote:
So many teenagers venting their RL rage here trying to make the OP feel bad for.. no reason. It's entirely possible the mission got nerfed because it is indeed one of the harder missions, it is at the very least plausible that Blizzard considered it to be ''too difficult''. I doubt any of the teenagers did any research at all to back up their stalwart response, I shall do mine! :-)

Have a nice day!


Kinda silly to have not read the thread, and also to be calling other people teenagers as well as using the term as an insult honestly. Especially when talking about doing research before replying.
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Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
August 04 2012 14:05 GMT
#28
In all seriousness though, when I first started playing SC2 the campaign was fucking hard

now macroing marine medic to complete all achievements on brutal is piss easy.

wonder who they balanced the campaign for
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yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
August 04 2012 14:31 GMT
#29
On August 03 2012 18:35 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 06:35 Whatson wrote:
On August 02 2012 06:11 Surth wrote:
Why is every single answer in this thread so petty? Could have made the point (Chances are you improved due to multiplayer) without being so condescending. :o

Because its a ridiculously obvious answer?

is it?
what if hes stuck in bronze for 2 years, and plays mainly custom games like marine arena and stuff
and if he only plays zerg say, hes gonna be no better with terran then he was 2 years ago

the reason everyone has to be a tool about answering him is because they all wanna flex their e-penis and act really tough


In Utter Darkness is not a Terran mission.

When SC2 came that mission was nearly impossible for me on Hard. Now I can do it on Brutal without any issues. And I don't play much either.

And I don't play protoss, I just understand the strengths and weaknesses of the units from having played against them. I know where storms go, I know how to pull back colossi. My micro and use of control groups is better so lifting up the hybrids is easy. My macro is better by orders of magnitude.

The OP found the mission easier because the OP has, amazingly enough, gotten better at a game he's played for the last 2 years.
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yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
August 04 2012 14:32 GMT
#30
On August 04 2012 23:05 Denzil wrote:
In all seriousness though, when I first started playing SC2 the campaign was fucking hard

now macroing marine medic to complete all achievements on brutal is piss easy.

wonder who they balanced the campaign for


They balanced it for people who hadn't played SC2 before, and not people who've been playing it for 2 years.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
August 04 2012 17:14 GMT
#31
On August 04 2012 19:16 JazzNL wrote:
So many teenagers venting their RL rage here trying to make the OP feel bad for.. no reason. It's entirely possible the mission got nerfed because it is indeed one of the harder missions, it is at the very least plausible that Blizzard considered it to be ''too difficult''. I doubt any of the teenagers did any research at all to back up their stalwart response, I shall do mine! :-)

Have a nice day!

The campaign hasn't been changed. The only patches have been bug fixes, and please, anybody who even casually played BW could go through the entire campaign on brutal, it's not hard at all.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
August 04 2012 20:27 GMT
#32
I think you just got better. When I first played the campaign, it was very hard, but even a few weeks later it was much easier. Just needed to get used to the new game.
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shadowy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria305 Posts
August 05 2012 14:02 GMT
#33
I have played the single player campaign over 100 times -- than needs an explanation of itself. So before you think I am crazy, I was stuck in a very remote place of the earth with once a month Internet access, that will eventually reach 2 kbits.

Due to one of the infamous Blizzard bugs, I couldn't authenticate my client, without downloading and playing a map, which I couldn't do, so I was stuck with single player and some very bad AI on the original maps.

Anyway - I strongly believe, there is no one who played the single player more times, than I have.

But enough intro - the campaign never got nerfed. It's just that we got better. Right now It's so obvious to me what I need to do and how to use what I got, that it looks like a child game. That wasn't the case when we all started learning the game back in the days.

And yeah - I have read every single patch note as well.
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iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
August 05 2012 15:35 GMT
#34
Rofl what a beautiful post, no dude you just got better. It's still the same old bitch it was before
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Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
August 05 2012 20:45 GMT
#35
On August 04 2012 06:08 Maxd11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 12:59 corpuscle wrote:
I played the mission recently (like three weeks ago) for the achievement and got 2.9k kills on Brutal. I just did it again out of curiosity after reading this thread and I got 2.8k, and it felt the same. It might have gotten "nerfed" at some point since release, but I'd guess that it's just that you've gotten better.

U didn't hear? Gravity was OP as shit.
I don't think they've changed the campaign since release though.
Also "ALL IN" was the hardest mission by far.

nope, utter darkness at brutal is way harder then all in. for all in u just need lots of tanks and some 250mm cannon fire for kerrigan. in utter darkness u have to play decent or abues dts


btw: i experienced exactly the same as OP. had some problems with utter darkness back in the day, but then i was a complete scrub (started with 0-5 in MP, now i'm master). did it some months ago again for the lols and i did it at the first try without any problems
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 06 2012 19:04 GMT
#36
Utter Darkness didn't seem too hard, I just pumped colossi in addition to all the free units they gave... it was really easy compared to the toss mission before it (if you didn't speedrun that one with Zeratul that is)

But yeah, you got better. Gratz
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SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
August 07 2012 19:11 GMT
#37
Well bro u are swedish...and they tend to be good at gaming so maybe u got really good without noticing?
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acidfreak
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania352 Posts
August 07 2012 19:51 GMT
#38
On August 02 2012 06:20 black3200 wrote:
2 years ago I could bench 145lbs and now i can bench 195lbs , did they nerf my gym? ... but seriously im sure you just got better..


That would be physics, not "the gym". Silly jock.
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MaxViktory
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden136 Posts
August 07 2012 20:43 GMT
#39
Don't all the balance changes from the multiplayer carry over to the campaign? That might have a small effect maybe?
I have only played the first 4 missions so I don't know a shit about campaign.

On August 08 2012 04:11 SoniC_eu wrote:
Well bro u are swedish...and they tend to be good at gaming so maybe u got really good without noticing?


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Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
August 07 2012 21:09 GMT
#40
I'm pretty sure the DT wall trick still works too. With that you can probably hit 3k no problem if you're playing plat or higher.

Also, brutal is disgustingly easy if you just spam MM or whatever the featured unit is. It's sad really, they need a harder difficulty.
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Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
August 08 2012 02:43 GMT
#41
People used graviton beam on in utter darkness? Mind blown, when i first played the game i didnt use any hotkeys and didnt know how to use almost any abilities, let alone graviton beam.
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
August 08 2012 05:59 GMT
#42
On August 08 2012 05:43 MaxViktory wrote:
Don't all the balance changes from the multiplayer carry over to the campaign?


No, they don't.
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Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
August 08 2012 06:16 GMT
#43
Definately nerfed. Had to try, 3462 kills on brutal. Or i just learned to use graviton beam..
TranceKuja
Profile Joined May 2011
United States154 Posts
August 08 2012 06:40 GMT
#44
On August 07 2012 04:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Utter Darkness didn't seem too hard, I just pumped colossi in addition to all the free units they gave... it was really easy compared to the toss mission before it (if you didn't speedrun that one with Zeratul that is)

But yeah, you got better. Gratz

That one is easy if you just make sure to destroy the nydus when they come up. They even give you a count down and Zeratul could freeze one of them with his ability.
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FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
August 08 2012 19:45 GMT
#45
Hm, to me many of the missions got a lot easier once I figured out what strategy/units to use, especially Utter Darkness and All In. In my experience UD doesn't require a lot of skill once you know how to do it, All In still requires some multitasking and speed - but then again the strategy I used might not have been the best one (lots of tanks and killing Kerrigan with stimmed marines).
Dullahan
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States248 Posts
August 09 2012 03:37 GMT
#46
On August 08 2012 14:59 yeint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 05:43 MaxViktory wrote:
Don't all the balance changes from the multiplayer carry over to the campaign?


No, they don't.


Siege tanks doing full damage to everything is pretty fun to watch
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 03:44:09
August 09 2012 03:43 GMT
#47
On August 02 2012 06:11 Surth wrote:
Why is every single answer in this thread so petty? Could have made the point (Chances are you improved due to multiplayer) without being so condescending. :o


Because it was a really, really obviously answered question...
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