ummm why do you expect a jungle planet to have lots of water ? there are no oceans etc, there aren't even many clouds, that is clearly a sign of a planet with not alot of water. And one climatic zone is quiet common for a moon as they are pretty small. Also for a planet to have poles its necessary that the temperature at the poles is quiet low. There are various explanations, since this is mostly fiction. For example the planet could have a rotation that moves the poles really close to the equator etc. and the year is only 50 days long. So the planet get roasted on each point equally.
But generally jungle planets don't have alot of water just like gaia class planets don't. So even though its cold green can cover the poles as there is landmass everywhere.
On October 12 2011 00:27 FeyFey wrote: ummm why do you expect a jungle planet to have lots of water ? there are no oceans etc, there aren't even many clouds, that is clearly a sign of a planet with not alot of water. And one climatic zone is quiet common for a moon as they are pretty small. Also for a planet to have poles its necessary that the temperature at the poles is quiet low. There are various explanations, since this is mostly fiction. For example the planet could have a rotation that moves the poles really close to the equator etc. and the year is only 50 days long. So the planet get roasted on each point equally.
But generally jungle planets don't have alot of water just like gaia class planets don't. So even though its cold green can cover the poles as there is landmass everywhere.
Lol what.
How can a planet support plants across its entire surface and not have much water?
Also the poles of a planet, by definition, cannot be "really close to the equator". The poles are defined as the points where the axis of rotation meets the surface, and the equator is the line equidistant from those two points.
Unless you're talking about magnetic poles, but I'm not sure they have much effect on climate.
Also the poles of a planet, by definition, cannot be "really close to the equator". The poles are defined as the points where the axis of rotation meets the surface, and the equator is the line equidistant from those two points.
Unless you're talking about magnetic poles, but I'm not sure they have much effect on climate.
I think he meant a planet with horizontal rotation axis, like Uranus, instead of a "standard" one, like Earth. If orbit is small enough (i.e. moon orbiting a giant planet) all surface in the moon will receive the same amount of heat from the main star/ star system, given enough time.
Also, a planet could be humid and doesn't have seas. It depends on atmosphere pressure and heat, so virtually you could have a foggy, jungle world without seas, but with near water saturation atmosphere.
Or land composition is capable of absorbing high amounts of water so you have a "sponge" planet where there is no sea, but lot of water for plants. Water could be absorbed, being heated on the mantle by molten rock and then "breathed" in geysers to the atmosphere. A totally different water cycle, depending on ambient conditions.
On October 11 2011 23:07 KingPwny wrote: You are only considering the topological aspects of that planet. However consider the biological aspect. A plant or tree on Bel'shir could have higher tolerance levels of heat and cold. Meaning that everything would be covered in green
Agree, nobody though about that the jungle could be made of different species depending on the geographic region. But it will be a jungle anyway.
Well played sir.
Also, I think we are being too itchy with the "mono climate" topic. After all, most astronomers say Earth is an ocean world in universal standards, even if we have like 25% of land mass. So a desert planet could have like 75% of desert/arid regions and 25% sea (Mar sara) and still being labeled as "desert planet"
Same with ice planets (Hoth being the most famous one) It is supposed to be a snowball, but only ecuator is "warm" enough to support life. It was hinted than other latitudes are just too cold to live there, so climate is variable.
Yes, but that´s also a point, a storytelling issue. Aliens come down to Earth. Does the interesting stuff that thay´ve come to check have to be ALWAYS in the seas? There´s never anything interesting for them to look for in Antarctica, in forests, deserts, cities?
Why can not the misterious crystal "miscellanium" be gathered in the frozen part of the arid planet Dry? Why can´t an important war happen in the desert barrens of the "jungle world"?
It may seem petty for a game, but not so much for lore. Think of the habitated (or former habitated) planets: didn´t Mar Sara had important cities in the swampish areas? If it had some or most of the planet inhabitable (poles/equator/stormy areas/whatever), what would keep Terrans from mining and stabilishing colonies there, if they colonized Braxis (described by Blizzard as "frozen hell")?
Moria, Umoja and formerly Tarsonis have/had billions of people. I assume its culture and economics would have great diversity, including richer/poorer zones, accents, political struggles? That´s something I´d like to see in the novels, how each planet´s own aspects would affect everyday people´s life.
I miss topology aspects too. Life isnt all about having or not having ice and trees Topology afects culture, economy - and war. How mountains, crazy jungles, rivers, affect high tech wars? (I just thought maybe its and extra reason why Raynor was need in Char; he not only knew the Zerg, he was the only surviving Terran commander that have fought on Char´s surface)
That´s what´s my nerd "complain"´s about. Planets are cooler when they are as big as planets, not towns.
I´ll give some points for Aiur thou. It has both "jungle" and "caves". That´s cool. Aiur is also the planet with the most locations, ie, the most vivid and detailed one.
On October 11 2011 13:34 nerak wrote: Have anyone wondered that planets in lore are so... wrong?
I´ll take Bel'Shir as the ultimate exemple. It is a "jungle planet". Its even all covered in green.
But how can that be that the only enviroment of a planet is a jungle? Shouldnt a planet with so much water have at least icy poles?
And of course, there could be a rational explanation, there can always be. For exemple: Bel'Shir have intense and countinuous vulcanic activity, specially in the poles. That and its unique atmosphere keeps all the planet suitalbe for rain forests, although its not the SAME rainforest everywhere.
Now its "fixed", it makes sense right? But they cant just use the same excuse for all the planets... like all the planets have some reason to have the same climate, soil and biosphere everywhere.
What do you guys think?
EDIT: Bel'Shir is a moon XD Complains still applie.
In Starcraft, there are many, many contradictions with our physical laws.
In the game, planets act as towns or world zones. As in most SF universes, planets often have just one great feature, they are desert planets or water planets or jungle planets or whatever.
On October 11 2011 14:25 -NegativeZero- wrote: Because sci-fi writers are lazy, especially for games where everyone mostly just cares about the gameplay.
Nice, great example. What's another good question is how a planet like Char, all volcanic, could have an atmosphere to support life. One that we can breathe. It would be mostly sulfur oxides and other gnarly shit. Not only that, but there is no other form of life. Not a bush or a blade of grass or a rabbit, wtf do the Zerg live on? Rocks? Canibalism? I won't even get into the paradoxes that creates.
I always thought that the zerg would have to use some sort of chemosythesis like the bacteria that live in undersea vents on earth, or perhaps even derive energy directly from the volcanic heat in the core. This would actually provide a good lore explaination for why the overmind choose to settle on Char, it could be used as a natural geothermal power source.
The worst offender of unlikely environments is Korhal imo. The planet is blasted into a radioactive desert, then in just four years between BW and SC2 the planet is supposed to be covered 100% in a city that looks as dense as than New York city? Where did all those people come from? how did an entire global city be built in just four years?
This would actually provide a good lore explaination for why the overmind choose to settle on Char, it could be used as a natural geothermal power source.
The Overmind did not 'choose' to 'settle' on char. When it was created as a control mechanism by the Xel'Naga, the Zerg were still confined to the planet Char, where the original zerg was mutated from the indiginous larva-like species.
To the subject. Planets and moons could have a much shorter 'yearspan' than earth, making the planet tilt so often that the temperature has no time to gradually go colder on each pole. This would result in an almost completely monogenous temperature globally.
This would actually provide a good lore explaination for why the overmind choose to settle on Char, it could be used as a natural geothermal power source.
The Overmind did not 'choose' to 'settle' on char. When it was created as a control mechanism by the Xel'Naga, the Zerg were still confined to the planet Char, where the original zerg was mutated from the indiginous larva-like species.
Wrong, the Zerg were born on Zerus. Char was just their staging area in the Koprulu Sector from no later than the time Kerrigan was captured.
On October 11 2011 14:25 -NegativeZero- wrote: Because sci-fi writers are lazy, especially for games where everyone mostly just cares about the gameplay.
Nice, great example. What's another good question is how a planet like Char, all volcanic, could have an atmosphere to support life. One that we can breathe. It would be mostly sulfur oxides and other gnarly shit. Not only that, but there is no other form of life. Not a bush or a blade of grass or a rabbit, wtf do the Zerg live on? Rocks? Canibalism? I won't even get into the paradoxes that creates.
I always thought that the zerg would have to use some sort of chemosythesis like the bacteria that live in undersea vents on earth, or perhaps even derive energy directly from the volcanic heat in the core. This would actually provide a good lore explaination for why the overmind choose to settle on Char, it could be used as a natural geothermal power source.
The worst offender of unlikely environments is Korhal imo. The planet is blasted into a radioactive desert, then in just four years between BW and SC2 the planet is supposed to be covered 100% in a city that looks as dense as than New York city? Where did all those people come from? how did an entire global city be built in just four years?
Wasn't there already buildings on Korhal in SC1? I remeber at the end of the original terran campagin with mengsk's properganda speech you got to see buildings (Like, massive government ones, not wasteland huts) on korhal. I know you got to see the outskirts of the main city of korhal in a couple of BW missions. IDK, could be wrong. Im pretty sure it was korhal thou.
This would actually provide a good lore explaination for why the overmind choose to settle on Char, it could be used as a natural geothermal power source.
The Overmind did not 'choose' to 'settle' on char. When it was created as a control mechanism by the Xel'Naga, the Zerg were still confined to the planet Char, where the original zerg was mutated from the indiginous larva-like species.
Wrong, the Zerg were born on Zerus. Char was just their staging area in the Koprulu Sector from no later than the time Kerrigan was captured.
Thanks for fixing that, I always thought that Zerus was the dutch translation of the word Char as it appeared in my original Starcraft guide (oh the good old days of printed books :D).
Edit: Char and Zerus are very alike though as they are both volcanic worlds, which is also a probable reason for the Overmind to take a liking into Char.
Bel'Shir is located in an ex-dualstarsystem, one star exploded and made a huge nebula composed of Na and Fe. The Fe-Fog in the system distributes the heat from the remaining star rather eaqually around the planet. The Na-Fog breaks the light and is responsible for the green color you can cleary see in the space around the planet on the picture.
On October 12 2011 00:27 FeyFey wrote: ummm why do you expect a jungle planet to have lots of water ? there are no oceans etc, there aren't even many clouds, that is clearly a sign of a planet with not alot of water. And one climatic zone is quiet common for a moon as they are pretty small. Also for a planet to have poles its necessary that the temperature at the poles is quiet low. There are various explanations, since this is mostly fiction. For example the planet could have a rotation that moves the poles really close to the equator etc. and the year is only 50 days long. So the planet get roasted on each point equally.
But generally jungle planets don't have alot of water just like gaia class planets don't. So even though its cold green can cover the poles as there is landmass everywhere.
Lol what.
How can a planet support plants across its entire surface and not have much water?
Also the poles of a planet, by definition, cannot be "really close to the equator". The poles are defined as the points where the axis of rotation meets the surface, and the equator is the line equidistant from those two points.
Unless you're talking about magnetic poles, but I'm not sure they have much effect on climate.
actually he does raise a valid point in a way, though he doesn't actually say it.
Who's to say those plants haven't evolved in such a way that they just don't require water?
On October 11 2011 14:07 nerak wrote: Yeah, but a planet cant be tropical, as it cant be equatorial, thats the point. If its a extra-hot planet, so hot its poles are as hot as Earth´s tropics, how hot will the Equator be?
Of course, I gave that one idea, Bel´Shir could have kinda the same climate everywhere bacause volcans, blablabla. But what of Mar Sara? How is it hot and semi-arid everywhere? I does have seas, that does evaporate. Doesnt the rain falling concentrates anywhere? (for exemple, Earth´s rains are more common in Florida, Amazon, Congo, and not so common in Texas, Mongolia, Europe). The icy-poles problem still applies. If Mar Sara´s poles are warm, its Equator should be inhabitable.
Wow.
Rain is not so common in "Europe"?
I wholeheartedly invite you to come and visit the UK, the Netherlands, in fact, any non-Mediterranean part of Europe.
With your renewed knowledge of global climate, perhaps everything makes sense!
Finally, who says Earth isn't a weird exception with such a wide variety of climates and eco-zones. Potentially it's solely due to my lack of knowledge, but even the other planets in our solar system seem to be more monotonous.
And this.
On October 12 2011 12:30 Spessi wrote: Who's to say those plants haven't evolved in such a way that they just don't require water?
Bel'Shir is located in an ex-dualstarsystem, one star exploded and made a huge nebula composed of Na and Fe.
Binary starsystems cannot have planets.
Sadly, many science fiction universes do feature binary star systems with planets, because they like to show two suns at the horizon.
I'm sorry but you are wrong. There are some ex solar planets discovered which are in binary systems. Most of the are super giant gas planets which orbit too close of the dual star gravity center, but there could be earth like planets.
Of course seasons will be different from those on Earth, but it is possible.
On October 11 2011 14:10 LAN-f34r wrote: Small planets won't have much difference between poles and equator.
I kinda think it does, I mean, the slight tilt in the earths planet makes it that its 30*C in the summer and -30*C in the winter for me. Not like I'm that close to the pole either.
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