Brutal NUR, Marine only - Page 9

On December 10 2010 13:29 Shiladie wrote:
Heh, I swath of new subscribers on my youtube channel caught my attention that this thread had probably been bumped. I unfortunately have not had time to continue attempts, as I am between work contracts, and thus spending most of my time looking for new work. I promise once I get a new job I'll be back at this...

On December 10 2010 15:30 undyinglight wrote:
I will be looking forward to it. You inspired me to do a Mercenary only run.

On December 10 2010 15:30 undyinglight wrote:


I will be looking forward to it. You inspired me to do a Mercenary only run.

On December 11 2010 07:15 Moonloop wrote:


Wait, what? On brutal? I don't see how that's possible.

Shiladie, don't worry, we're patient! Good luck for when you DO start trying again. =)

On January 24 2011 19:58 shoop wrote:
@undyinglight: I did the thread about mercs only, I was probably the second person to complete it on hard. (I edited that thread so it now credits you for this idea). It is tricky but a lot easier than brutal NUR marines It may well be doable on brutal, the most substantial difficulty will be in the first ten or so missions.

Wrt all-in air: great, some fresh ideas. I'm sceptical though: if you don't have the hive mind emulators I think it's pretty much just harder than all-in ground.

Here's another idea. I haven't got a clue if it would work, but here goes.

Starting point is the notion that buildings bunkers may in fact not be optimal for this mission. You can only put four marines in an unupgraded bunker, which limits the maximum number of marines per surface area. This means you can deal less damage per second, giving attacking forces the time to do substantial damage.

You could consider simply not building the bunkers, but instead macroing out the largest crap ton of 3/3 upgraded marines imaginable (double eng bay). In place of a bunker with 4 marines firing, you would simply have 9 marines firing. Sure they would fall quickly, but they would kill stuff a lot faster. You also have the resources to replenish pretty quickly.

As usual in starcraft, make sure that at all stages you have the maximum possible number of marines, as having more marines will reduce the number of losses in every engagement. If you have spare time, use it to position marines closer together so that they can really do the most insane amounts of damage possible, and/or to move damaged marines to the back of the "wall". You also may need to micro a bit to deal with hydras, and, obviously, the nydus worms.

Could this be made to work?

On January 25 2011 05:58 undyinglight wrote:
Have you seen the video where Shiladie attempts all in vs worms, he actually attempts what you are suggesting behind a Barracks wall. It seems he can hold off reasonably well until the final waves spawn, there just seem to be to many units attacking his base to fend off even if he had a supply cap of 3/3 Marines. The Nova hasn't recharged from the last Kerrigan attack either. Perhaps he could somehow beat one of the Kerrigan attacks without a Nova? As Shiladie said earlier in the thread though it is the Hunter Killers that are the problem, they basically 2 hit Marines with 0.83 attack speed.

Shiladie, you seem to have lost quite a few Marines at the 65.3% save when you fought Kerrigan. Do you think that you could attempt from there and try to save a few more Marines? It seems to do this, if it is possible you would have to attempt to have as close to 200/200 as possible and prepare your high ground defenses surrounding the artifact well ahead of time. Perhaps even remain on the low ground but build Barracks on either side of your Marines so they can't even climb the ramp to the artifact? On top of this with a Nova saved from earlier? Perhaps more SCVs mining so you can have more minerals. This may just do the trick but it is sounding like you would need impeccable micro/macro and 300 APM to pull it off. Mass repair is a must no matter where you decide to hold out.

Perhaps if he moved both of his Siege Tanks to the side Kerrigan was coming from and used some SCVs as cannon fodder he might possibly hold off Kerrigan without a Nova? Perhaps he could try to use his Banshees/BCs and reload if Kerrigan kills them. Those are some thoughts vs worms anyways. Any suggestions are welcome vs Worms or Air.

On March 08 2011 08:47 thedirtyleg wrote:
Congrats on the job man. I would say that if you totally hit a wall you should start making concessions in more or less the order that you posted them, although combat shield/stim would probably be the biggest boost for you so maybe try that last?

On March 08 2011 10:09 undyinglight wrote:
I suggest giving it a shot with War Pigs before using any other upgrades as this will not undermine the "NUR" of the thread title. If War Pigs are still not viable, attempt it with upgrades to your non marine units/buildings that way you can still say you did it with no upgrades on the Marines.

Perhaps try to position both of your tanks at the magic spot just outside of the range of her range. The tanks would be more for Hunter Killers than Kerrigan herself. I assume she won't waste her ability on SCVs? since they are mechanical. The SCVs would be to absorb the hunter-killer hits anyway.

Right now I am attempting a Single player units only brutal run before I try to do my mercs brutal run.