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On July 29 2010 08:02 MasterFischer wrote:
Why did Raynor assume Valarian was Mengsk, when in fact Raynor knew exactly how Mengsk looked, dark-brownish short hair bearded.. taller and more burly..
When he told him "tell me why I shouldn't blow you away right now mengsk"
Valarian looks like space arthas with shiny gold hair...
wtf much ? :D
Mengsk is his last name
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Tychus is being controlled by valarian - who wants Kerrigan dead so he can be shown to be a good/strong emperor.
Acturus is the one who organized the creation of the hybrids who destroy the earth. We learn this in the secret mission.
My guess is Acturus is the overriding bad guy in this series of games.
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I would rather choose to believe that Mengsk was secretly manipulating the events, that way the writers don't seem as terrible as they seem to be. Seriously, they made Mengsk look like a total bumbling idiot when in BW he was a total ruthless bastard badass that made the smart decisions that led him to controlling the sector..
Seems like almost all the characters just got dumber, Kerrigan especially :\
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Or IMO we could be seeing people trying to outwit each other and looking simple-minded in the process. Heart of the Swarm will tell whether the story gets deeper or it becomes much more cliched.
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Here's what I'm wondering about the Kerrigan/prophecy thing:
If Zeratul's interpretation of the prophecy is based largely on what he can figure out from 'reading' the dead remains of the Overmind, then isn't there a possibility that the prophecy is planted there by Kerrigan (who of course at one point, controlled all of the zerg swarms)? I just kept thinking this as I watched the rest of the story play out. Kerrigan is, after all, the kind of backstabber/plotter that really has self-preservation in mind.
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I hope there is a deeper story to everything, because tbh i sorta felt underwhelmed by the storyline, it could be because I had some things spoiled for me, but it was kinda easy to take out kerrigan...
the whole game hyped kerrigan up to be this ultra mastermind evil queen, and char to be "the gates of hell" but u just land right in there and totally cripple the zerg, and then play defense for like 20 mins, with a zerg mega nuke that wipes out all zerg atking you every few mins. then the artifact discharges after 100% and kerrigan is human, zerg is owned, everything is solved....? (hopefully not)
and i was really looking forward to some awesome/evil duran shenanigans too, but there was nothing except in zeratul's vision of the future that isn't going to happen now w/ kerrigan alive? 
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If that is true, why Tychus will help you in the Media Bliz mission? He actually help Jim to broadcast the evidence of crime of his employer!? Why didn't Mengsk communicate him through the suit and kill him?
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I think I figured it all out...
So here is quite exactly what is said by Zeratul to Raynor "There is a malevolant presens in the void that seeks to destroy everything we hold dear, could this fallen one be a xel naga(also something about god somewhere)... be vary friend the haunts of the void are on the hunt" or something like that. I get back to this later.
Random initial thought...
My thinking is that it does correspond to Mengsk as being the hungerer or such(though they state the overmind but hmm, well maybe whatever is controling him), as his wording was... "I will rule this sector or see it burnt to ashes around me." He wants the world to end or someone has manipulated him to act accordingly. He's still in the game there is alot more to come from him (still has half the fleet), he is the one who researched the hybrids and then ordered the scientists to be killed also he wants Kerrigan killed for a reason not just personal. There were alot more in the wording of the prophecy but cannot remember.
Random general thoughts after deeper thinking and research that I think makes TOTAL sense(not really), Duran is controling Mengsk or something like that.
Quotes from wiki's "Duran would refer to the hybrid as the "completion of a cycle, According to the preserver Zamara, however, Samir Duran's experiments are a "perversion", and if his attempts "unify" the species become successful, it will result in "a monstrous and powerful perversion of both protoss and zerg will be set loose upon the universe, and all that [the protoss and terran] know and cherish will fall in their wake".[27]
From the manner in which Duran replied to Zeratul, claiming to be many millennia old (and having had many names over these millennia) and serving "a far greater power", Duran's background became even more enigmatic. Duran, referring to the hybrid, said it was a "completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young",[1]
Also in SC1 the secret mission he made hybrids using protoss power pylons. Quote Duran to Zeratul "Your violence, young prodigal, is typical. As is your inability to comprehend the greater scheme of things. You can destroy all of the specimens here. It will do you no good. For I have seeded the Hybrid on many, many worlds. You will never find them all before they awaken... And when they do... your universe will be changed... forever."" Thus he originally made the complex in the secret mission in SC2
This in turn might refer to The Voice of Darkness http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Voice_in_the_Darkness_(entity)
"The Dark Voice, also known as the Voice in the Darkness is one of many names for a Void-based entity inimical to the xel'naga and their followers, the protoss. It has also called itself "The Lord of the In-Between Places", the "Living Heart of the Void", and the "One True God" (in contrast to the xel'naga, which it refers to as "false gods").[1]" (see first mention of xel'naga or god in the beginning)
"It proclaimed that its evil behavior is because that's the way the galaxy made it, and despises the xel'naga for changing the natural order, and even for imprisoning rather than killing it."
"It also possesses knowledge of psionic technology." As do ghosts like Duran and the solution to the problem our beloved Kerrigan.
There was also a referance to god or something like that in what Zeratul said, also that thing was Xel'nagas enemy and we know that people on the terran side has been in contact with this before imprisoned "God" and that it's whereabouts are not sure, here is what duran sais to Zeratul Duran: "I've had many names throughout the millennia, young prodigal. You would know me best as Samir Duran."
Kerrigan knowing duran, the prophecy and mengsk know how to get to the core of defeating it all as protoss seem to also be the first target the Hybrid thingy wanted to destroy this part I have not figured out. And so on...
Well that's enough rambling for now...
Edit: Found some more facts and quotes, think it is starting to make sense now to me. Am really happy about this post btw 
Summary:
1 "The Dark Voice" is free after the Xel'naga prison failed
2 Duran is "The Dark Voice" thanks to psionic abilities
3 Duran made the Hybrids to destroy what Xel'naga has made(Zerg, Toss) and then everything else with it.
4 This god wants to destroy everything
5 Duran manipulates Mengsk
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On July 29 2010 09:46 Madkipz wrote:
He is strapped on to a suit that can kill him at any given time that has direct communication with Mensk. He made a deal with the devil for some personal freedoms, but ultimately he was still confined inside that blue suit and had no real freedom.
Did I miss the part where they said that Mengsk can kill Tychus at any time and that Mengsk is constantly monitoring Tychus?
Perhaps it was merely a deal for his "freedom" out of his suit that may not have those abilities you speak of.
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On July 29 2010 10:07 Sanguinarius wrote:
Acturus is the one who organized the creation of the hybrids who destroy the earth. We learn this in the secret mission.
Hybrids destroy the Earth? Did I miss something?
On July 29 2010 13:12 Yuka wrote:
Here's what I'm wondering about the Kerrigan/prophecy thing:
If Zeratul's interpretation of the prophecy is based largely on what he can figure out from 'reading' the dead remains of the Overmind
I didn't like that they retconned the way the Overmind died - he was blown to pieces and sucked into the warp portal he opened. There shouldn't be any remains.
And the better question is: Why is Tassadar a ghost?
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On July 29 2010 23:07 Barook wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 10:07 Sanguinarius wrote:
Acturus is the one who organized the creation of the hybrids who destroy the earth. We learn this in the secret mission.
Hybrids destroy the Earth? Did I miss something? Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 13:12 Yuka wrote:
Here's what I'm wondering about the Kerrigan/prophecy thing:
If Zeratul's interpretation of the prophecy is based largely on what he can figure out from 'reading' the dead remains of the Overmind I didn't like that they retconned the way the Overmind died - he was blown to pieces and sucked into the warp portal he opened. There shouldn't be any remains. And the better question is: Why is Tassadar a ghost?
Sanguinarius isn't making any sense whatsoever.
Well in SC1 we were lead to believe Tassadar died killing the overmind, but here in SC2 he said he never died, so he can't be a ghost. It's probably more like some kind of astral projection or something.
Besides, I hate how Blizz is reviving him. Yeah he was the most awesome char in SC1 but that's no reason to do a deus ex machina ;/.
If you need to justify him being alive for yourself, think that he is too awesome to succumb to death. After all, he became a twilight templar himself, and maybe he somehow manipulated his new found powers to somehow survive?
Mark my words, he is going to put a HUGE dent it the Dark Voice's plan, if not out right kill him himself. I predict sooner or later we'll see a Tassadar/Zeratul archon that will be the most OP unit ever.
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On July 29 2010 20:16 Whiztard wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 09:46 Madkipz wrote:
He is strapped on to a suit that can kill him at any given time that has direct communication with Mensk. He made a deal with the devil for some personal freedoms, but ultimately he was still confined inside that blue suit and had no real freedom.
Did I miss the part where they said that Mengsk can kill Tychus at any time and that Mengsk is constantly monitoring Tychus? Perhaps it was merely a deal for his "freedom" out of his suit that may not have those abilities you speak of.
yea you missed it, i did most of the sidemissions and got a dialoge with matt horner where he stated that he had scanned findlays suit and found said devices, both the communications signal and the machines that would end his life at any given time or moment.
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On July 29 2010 13:47 DarkwindHK wrote:
If that is true, why Tychus will help you in the Media Bliz mission? He actually help Jim to broadcast the evidence of crime of his employer!? Why didn't Mengsk communicate him through the suit and kill him?
Well, we all have agreed that the writting was subpar
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On July 30 2010 01:44 skindzer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 13:47 DarkwindHK wrote:
If that is true, why Tychus will help you in the Media Bliz mission? He actually help Jim to broadcast the evidence of crime of his employer!? Why didn't Mengsk communicate him through the suit and kill him? Well, we all have agreed that the writting was subpar
I'm guessing that's because Mengsk felt that he had to take that punch because if he killed the Queen of Blades the rebellion would stop. And the fact that he wanted Kerrigan dead, and combining that with the secret mission, just points out that he's allied with/being controlled by Xel'Naga/Duran. Kill her and they win.
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On July 29 2010 23:29 Latham wrote:
I predict sooner or later we'll see a Tassadar/Zeratul archon that will be the most OP unit ever.
Man that would be awesome.
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On July 29 2010 13:12 Yuka wrote:
Here's what I'm wondering about the Kerrigan/prophecy thing:
If Zeratul's interpretation of the prophecy is based largely on what he can figure out from 'reading' the dead remains of the Overmind, then isn't there a possibility that the prophecy is planted there by Kerrigan (who of course at one point, controlled all of the zerg swarms)? I just kept thinking this as I watched the rest of the story play out. Kerrigan is, after all, the kind of backstabber/plotter that really has self-preservation in mind.
Now that would be awesome. I would LOVE it if Kerrigan is still the twisted, scheming 'queen bitch of the universe'. No one would see that coming, especially not poor Jim Raynor.
SC1 and BW were great because of all the treachery. Mengsk, the rebel leader who has saved countless colonists, sees his chance to seize power and sells out his second in command and an entire planet. Brutal! In BW, we're all believing Kerrigan has regained her free will... then she breaks her alliance and finally kills Fenix, our valiant old hero. That hurt! Duran playing every side against the other? Brilliant!
The best SC2 had was Tychus, which is explicitly foreshadowed, and never even comes to fruition.
The campaign needs more unpredictability.. you pretty much know where wings of liberty is going. This is why the whole game feels like a slog to collect your units and upgrades before finally confronting Kerrigan. If there are no real SC1 style twists, then we're in for a two expansion pack-size slog towards the final TPZ super-best-friends team-up against Duran and the hybrid. Lame.
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I like the theory that Mengsk is being controlled by Duran because it would put a bit of logic into a lot of the story. Tychus is sent to kill Kerrigan because of the prophecy. Mengsk is producing hybrids and Kerrigan is supposedly the only way to stop them. Killing Kerrigan early on gives them an easy time winning.
It still doesn't explain why Mengsk doesn't want Raynor dead though. He can so easily infiltrate right into the center of his raiders, so why does he have so much trouble killing him?
Of course it's possible he doesn't want Raynor dead at all for some reason or another and just can't release it on publicly and still retain his rule or something.
I would like to see more unpredictability in the campaign too lol
I hope they throw a few curveballs that we wouldn't see at all but have clues about in the expansions
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On July 30 2010 10:06 TheShizno wrote:
I like the theory that Mengsk is being controlled by Duran because it would put a bit of logic into a lot of the story. Tychus is sent to kill Kerrigan because of the prophecy. Mengsk is producing hybrids and Kerrigan is supposedly the only way to stop them. Killing Kerrigan early on gives them an easy time winning.
It still doesn't explain why Mengsk doesn't want Raynor dead though. He can so easily infiltrate right into the center of his raiders, so why does he have so much trouble killing him?
Of course it's possible he doesn't want Raynor dead at all for some reason or another and just can't release it on publicly and still retain his rule or something.
I would like to see more unpredictability in the campaign too lol
I hope they throw a few curveballs that we wouldn't see at all but have clues about in the expansions
Mengsk doesn't want Raynor dead because he needs a figure that he can point to for the problems that his regime has, typical dicator's tactics of blaming rebels. Killing him would do the inevitable "FOR RAYNOR" gig. And remember that Valerian is essentially an enigma for those not reading the novels. He could very well be a much sneakier and power-hungry bastard than his father ever was.
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Why did Kerrigan ambush Zeratul in the first Void mission? Why was she there to begin with, and how does that fit in with your guys' predictions?
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