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skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-28 21:23:12
July 28 2010 20:23 GMT
#1
I decided to make a differente Topic just to focus entirely on the story of SC2, or better said the "REAL" story.

Yes yes we´ve all finished the game and SAVED THE UNIVERSE while taking the girl but..

What really happened?

Starcraft II starts with Tychus, hes the detonant to ALL of the story and hes the one that gives you the crystal missions which in turn let you see kerrigan naked in the end. (jk). After the 6 or 7 mission we realize that hes being coerced to do what he does or "all his organs will be shutdown" , now, i must say what i believe most of you must were thinking when you found out about this: "Im Jim Raynor, a hero thats been backstabbed A LOT not only in ONE game but in TWO and I DONT DO A FUCKING THING about having MY FRIEND, ON MY SHIP, BEING FUCKING MANIPULATED BY SOME UNKNOWN POWER?.seriously wtf? This is so incredible idiotic that no amount of "he´ll never betray me yadda yadda yadda weve been throug a lot togetheter.." will suffice. But well, storywriters tend to dumb down characters for the sake of storytelling. (SEE HEROES)

So now onto what i think was the REAL DEAL going behind SC2. As we find out in the end, Tychus is being "controlled" by Arcturus Mengks. This leads to 2 conclusions.

1-Mengsk doesnt want Raynor killed. Or at least, its not his first objective. He was able to track down EVERY MOVEMENT of Raynor trough Tychus yet decided to do nothing about it.
2-Mengsk main goal is to kill Kerrigan seeing how is the only real order that Tychus seem to have.

And heres when it gets confusing, the one whos in charge of the Moebius Project is Mengks son, Valerian who is no Arthas and doesnt really wants to destroy his father but just show that hes up for the job. (Not that he particulary cares for his father tough). And he is the one thats giving Tychus the information about the Crystal. BUT seeing how Arcturus is monitoring Tychus (remember he can shut down Tychus whenever he wants) Arcturus also knows about the crystals so hes either involved or doesnt care.


If hes involved. This means hes also manipulating his son in a way and hes the one orchestrating all of what happens in SC2. This also implies that he has "hidden" reasons to kill kerrigan because the zerg attacks on terran colonies start way after he has send Tychus to find raynor and use him to kill kerrigan. Best way to find Kerrrigan = finding the crystals.

POSSIBLE EXPLANATION: Arcturus is being played by the Xel´Naga, possible trough the "mysterious" (not really) DR. NARUD.... really NARUD? more like.... DURAN? who told him that if he kills Kerrigan hell get money or power or his own planet or whatever.

if hes not involved It would mean that Valerian is operating separately from his father, i believe theres a book where they explained that Valerian has always been interested in the Xel`Naga technology so he has his own reasons and is USING Tychus without letting his father know. (Or he could be the one being manipualted by the Xel`Naga)

So, any opinions, this came out long so i hope people read it :p



PS: I havent played the secret mission so i dont know if it influences in any way the story.

Edit Obviously when i say hidden reason to kill Kerrigan im referring to ACTUALLY going after her, remember that 4 years have passed since she left with the zerg
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Therick
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway324 Posts
July 28 2010 20:33 GMT
#2
the protoss side mission reveals:

+ Show Spoiler +
THAT KERRIGAN MUST NOT DIE, if she dies the hybrid race (controlled by the xelnaga? to destroy what they once created) will kill the whole universe


so yeah the side mission reveals quite abit
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skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
July 28 2010 20:38 GMT
#3
I did the side missions ._., i didnt do the secret one (26/26). What im saying obviously considers that the motto is "Save Kerrigan Save the World".

Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-28 20:48:08
July 28 2010 20:47 GMT
#4
But well, storywriters tend to dumb down characters for the sake of storytelling. (SEE HEROES)


they also tend to dumb down villains for the sake of storytelling.

Arcturus is being played by the Xel´Naga


doubt it, he is selfish yes but as he has said before "I will rule this sector or see it burnt to ashes around me." Ultimately he should not be tempted to enter into alliance with a hybrid unless of course blizzard desides that hey, lets make Acturus stupid.

and voila you have wings of liberty. Mensk is horribly stupid, to the point where i think yes, yes. this can happen. ;/
"Mudkip"
Reach_UK
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom68 Posts
July 28 2010 20:49 GMT
#5
Here's what I don't get: Valarian pulls up in Acturus' Battlecruiser, pulls up next to the Hyperion, doesnt open fire, fails to mention that he isnt trying to kill them, instructs his men to try to kill Raynor, then allies himself with Raynor. WHY NOT JUST DO THE DEAL WITH RAYNOR OVER THE RADIO?
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
July 28 2010 21:22 GMT
#6
On July 29 2010 05:49 Reach_UK wrote:
Here's what I don't get: Valarian pulls up in Acturus' Battlecruiser, pulls up next to the Hyperion, doesnt open fire, fails to mention that he isnt trying to kill them, instructs his men to try to kill Raynor, then allies himself with Raynor. WHY NOT JUST DO THE DEAL WITH RAYNOR OVER THE RADIO?


Yeah i was also thinking that. "I come in peace... but anyways you can kill all my guards"
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
perbarian
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden42 Posts
July 28 2010 21:38 GMT
#7
I totally missed the part with dr Narud. When was that? And considering the two conclusions you draw up Raynor himself says that if he's killed he'll become a martyr so I guess that is one the reasons Mengsk doesn't want him dead.
Puts the fun in fundamentalist.
brEEzE.jjd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States12 Posts
July 28 2010 21:42 GMT
#8
Wasn't it Raynor who busted into Arcturus' battlecruiser? lol. Shit, i'd be shootin' too. Raynor wasted no time in boarding.
TheTuna
Profile Joined August 2009
United States286 Posts
July 28 2010 22:09 GMT
#9
On July 29 2010 05:49 Reach_UK wrote:
Here's what I don't get: Valarian pulls up in Acturus' Battlecruiser, pulls up next to the Hyperion, doesnt open fire, fails to mention that he isnt trying to kill them, instructs his men to try to kill Raynor, then allies himself with Raynor. WHY NOT JUST DO THE DEAL WITH RAYNOR OVER THE RADIO?


Because then we would've missed a hella cool cutscene?
Alternatively, he was fapping.
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-28 22:30:05
July 28 2010 22:22 GMT
#10
Never mind I found it
PeRk
Profile Joined May 2010
United States73 Posts
July 28 2010 22:28 GMT
#11
On July 29 2010 05:47 Madkipz wrote:
Show nested quote +
But well, storywriters tend to dumb down characters for the sake of storytelling. (SEE HEROES)


they also tend to dumb down villains for the sake of storytelling.

Show nested quote +
Arcturus is being played by the Xel´Naga


doubt it, he is selfish yes but as he has said before "I will rule this sector or see it burnt to ashes around me." Ultimately he should not be tempted to enter into alliance with a hybrid unless of course blizzard desides that hey, lets make Acturus stupid.

and voila you have wings of liberty. Mensk is horribly stupid, to the point where i think yes, yes. this can happen. ;/


He doesn't necessarily have to be allied with the Xel'naga by choice. Could be threatened or controlled.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
July 28 2010 22:49 GMT
#12
Kerrigan was one of the three ghosts, who murdered Mengsk's father, mother and sister. I'm pretty sure that would be enough of a reason for him to hate her so much.

In a conversation between Raynor and Tosh, Raynor says that Mengsk wouldn't send a ghost to kill him, since that would make him a martyr.
I'll call Nada.
MasterFischer
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark836 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-28 23:03:19
July 28 2010 23:02 GMT
#13
Why did Raynor assume Valarian was Mengsk, when in fact Raynor knew exactly how Mengsk looked, dark-brownish short hair bearded.. taller and more burly..

When he told him "tell me why I shouldn't blow you away right now mengsk"

Valarian looks like space arthas with shiny gold hair...

wtf much ? :D

WHO is this who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?
perbarian
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden42 Posts
July 28 2010 23:46 GMT
#14
On July 29 2010 08:02 MasterFischer wrote:
Why did Raynor assume Valarian was Mengsk, when in fact Raynor knew exactly how Mengsk looked, dark-brownish short hair bearded.. taller and more burly..

When he told him "tell me why I shouldn't blow you away right now mengsk"

Valarian looks like space arthas with shiny gold hair...

wtf much ? :D


He called him Mengsk which is his last name so Raynor didn't do anything wrong there. Altough I know that no one think of Valarian when someone says Mengsk.
Puts the fun in fundamentalist.
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
July 29 2010 00:06 GMT
#15
After playing the secret mission i think its even more possible for Mengsk to be involved.
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
July 29 2010 00:14 GMT
#16
Mengsk is involved. Or at least he's manipulated by our dear friend Duran in some way.
But there's definitely a connection between the two. Which wouldnt be surprising, since Duran probably knows that he has to kill Kerrigan and therefore he gives that task to Mengsk who gives it to Tychus. Sarah will be a big target in Heart of the Swarm ...
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
perfectflaw72
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada94 Posts
July 29 2010 00:26 GMT
#17
but in the intro you clearly hear megnsk talking to tychus not valerian which means he is the on in control and you hear his voice at the end when he tells him to do it so im thinking hes part of something bigger that no one knows of yet ( xel'Naga)
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Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
July 29 2010 00:27 GMT
#18

Well Mengsk doesn't have complete control over Tychus, I mean there's no way Tychus would have killed Raynor for his freedom - he'd rather die. Mengsk also doesn't see what Tychus sees, all he did was have a contract with him, that he would get his freedom in return for killing Kerrigan.
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
Fiel
Profile Joined March 2010
United States587 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-29 00:38:58
July 29 2010 00:37 GMT
#19
In the final cutscene, Raynor asks what Tychus is doing. He said something like "If I kill Kerrigan, I go home a free man".

So he just sits there like an idiot and waits and waits and waits. Whatever happened to his burly personality? The "I don't care as long as I get paid" attitude? Tychus went to jail for Raynor, so he doesn't owe Raynor a damn thing. Why would he hesitate especially after killing so many people in the Odin? That scene confused Tychus's role, I think.
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-29 00:57:06
July 29 2010 00:46 GMT
#20
On July 29 2010 09:27 Wargizmo wrote:

Well Mengsk doesn't have complete control over Tychus, I mean there's no way Tychus would have killed Raynor for his freedom - he'd rather die. Mengsk also doesn't see what Tychus sees, all he did was have a contract with him, that he would get his freedom in return for killing Kerrigan.


He is strapped on to a suit that can kill him at any given time that has direct communication with Mensk. He made a deal with the devil for some personal freedoms, but ultimately he was still confined inside that blue suit and had no real freedom.

On July 29 2010 09:37 Fiel wrote:
In the final cutscene, Raynor asks what Tychus is doing. He said something like "If I kill Kerrigan, I go home a free man".

So he just sits there like an idiot and waits and waits and waits. Whatever happened to his burly personality? The "I don't care as long as I get paid" attitude? Tychus went to jail for Raynor, so he doesn't owe Raynor a damn thing. Why would he hesitate especially after killing so many people in the Odin? That scene confused Tychus's role, I think.


He is a brotha untill the end. Go to jail for raynor, dont squeal on raynor.

Make a deal to help himself out of jail, die instead of killing raynors girlfriend.

Basically he is the epithome of plot and device.

"Mudkip"
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