EPTTokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
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sharkie
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Sapaio
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Acrofales
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Starlightsun
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sharkie
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Purressure
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On July 26 2021 22:43 sharkie wrote: Historic table tennis gold for Japan, beating China! Japan also had a brother and sister attending the Judo contest, both won the gold medal there like seconds or minutes from each other, first the sister and she managed to see her brother win gold like seconds or minutes after on screen, amazing story. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Men's - Early breakaway with 8 riders, pulled back by a heroic sacrifice from one of the slovenian riders(He led the peleton for almost an hour) to give Pogacar a chance to catch the breakaway for the climbs. Nobody in the last chase by the end wanted to pull WVA along to give him gold, so carapaz got to just pull away for the gold. Really close finish for probably the two strongest riders in that last group. Women's - Dutch basically had a failure of teamwork and communication. Breakaway from the start with a few riders. Having literally the 4 top riders, no other team wanted to do the work for them, and they somehow didn't know that there was one rider far, far up the road as they caught the others who fell back. A teamless solo rider rode basically the whole race by herself to take the win. | ||
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sharkie
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45290 Posts
On July 27 2021 18:54 sharkie wrote: Yeah so proud of the Austrian winner! Math genius too! :D | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Simone Biles has quit two competitions now citing metal health issues. Will she quit next week events too? Would it be fair for her team mates if she competes next week? Because see I'm torn on this one. On one hand mental health is important, on the other if you quit on your team you're really being selfish. You are affecting the team that trusted and practiced with you for hours and throwing them under the bus. Not only that, it goes against the competitive mindset of an athlete. An athlete gives his 100%. It doesn't matter if he is expected to be first or last, you go and do your best you compete and try to break the limits of what's possible. You compete about yourself, against others and against the limits of humanity. Time and time again we have seen athletes go the extra mile. For some reason only soccer examples come to mind right now but it has happened in many sports. Franz Beckenbauer literally went back to the field with a broken arm to finish the game and help Germany win "the match of the Century". Any competitive person, or athele, will tell you that you have to strive to be the best and you cannot ever stop. So yeah. I'm not even from the US, but certainly I would feel let down. Maybe if she has quit before the event as other athletes did. But once you are there you have a commitment to you, to yours team mates, coaches and country, you just cannot quit. That's hot the mentality if a champion, much less of the self proclaimed "goat". You cannot be the goat if you back down when you face hardship. Only by overcoming it can you trascend. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45290 Posts
"Any competitive person, or athele, will tell you that you have to strive to be the best and you cannot ever stop." This is just wrong, and most competitive people will tell you that it's short-sighted. If you're not resting and taking care of yourself and being smart about how you practice and compete, then you'll lose your edge earlier than necessary, injure yourself, etc. I appreciate the attempt at creating a mock controversy as an intellectual exercise though  | ||
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sharkie
Austria18590 Posts
With her case it definitely helps that she has won everything. I dont think she would have retired from the competition if this had been her first olympics. | ||
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Sapaio
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Whoops. Didn't post anything. I think the problem is they many people won't agree with her mindset, still it's her choice and we should be able to understand it. Yeah I think mental health is important and maybe that was her breaking point. Still seems weird than an athlete, that should be the most competitive people in the world, would just give up like that. There's many examples in history of athlete's giving it their all even when things are against them. Hell even in wars people die in battles they know they cannot win just to say they died fighting. Still, I agree it's her choice. And you cannot blame her for putting her well being above her teammates or competition. It's something that even if you don't agree with, you can understand. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On July 29 2021 00:38 [Phantom] wrote: Let's get controversy going. Simone Biles has quit two competitions now citing metal health issues. Will she quit next week events too? Would it be fair for her team mates if she competes next week? Because see I'm torn on this one. On one hand mental health is important, on the other if you quit on your team you're really being selfish. You are affecting the team that trusted and practiced with you for hours and throwing them under the bus. Not only that, it goes against the competitive mindset of an athlete. An athlete gives his 100%. It doesn't matter if he is expected to be first or last, you go and do your best you compete and try to break the limits of what's possible. You compete about yourself, against others and against the limits of humanity. Time and time again we have seen athletes go the extra mile. For some reason only soccer examples come to mind right now but it has happened in many sports. Franz Beckenbauer literally went back to the field with a broken arm to finish the game and help Germany win "the match of the Century". Any competitive person, or athele, will tell you that you have to strive to be the best and you cannot ever stop. So yeah. I'm not even from the US, but certainly I would feel let down. Maybe if she has quit before the event as other athletes did. But once you are there you have a commitment to you, to yours team mates, coaches and country, you just cannot quit. That's hot the mentality if a champion, much less of the self proclaimed "goat". You cannot be the goat if you back down when you face hardship. Only by overcoming it can you trascend. did u see what happened to her on the vault before she withdrew? shes not withdrawing because she thinks it'd be embarrassing to not finish first. she mentally got lost of what she was doing, she did like half of what she was supposed to do and it was fortunate that she landed on her feet. most other sports if you're not mentally checked in with what you're doing, the worst thing is probably that you'll have a bad game or you miss a shot or you swim slower. in gymnastics, its a lot more dangerous. what if she fell on her neck on her vault? and that might be apart of it, she even talked about it in one of her interviews leading up to the olympics. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6266 Posts
On July 29 2021 01:17 [Phantom] wrote: Edit: Whoops. Didn't post anything. I think the problem is they many people won't agree with her mindset, still it's her choice and we should be able to understand it. Yeah I think mental health is important and maybe that was her breaking point. Still seems weird than an athlete, that should be the most competitive people in the world, would just give up like that. There's many examples in history of athlete's giving it their all even when things are against them. Hell even in wars people die in battles they know they cannot win just to say they died fighting. Still, I agree it's her choice. And you cannot blame her for putting her well being above her teammates or competition. It's something that even if you don't agree with, you can understand. I don't think it's weird and she's not putting her health above her teammates. She tried and got a very low score. If you continue while you're not up to it (mentally or physically) you can't perform to the level that's required. You don't let down your team if you withdraw when you realise you'll just drag them down with your performance. Our society has this thing where mental issues aren't considered as bad as physical issues. In reality they can be just as debilitating. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On July 29 2021 01:04 Sapaio wrote: Feel that the ability to handle the mental pressure and having iron will is part of what makes great athlete. You can withdraw and it's fine, but for me it feels wrong to celebrate a person that quits because of it. she's obviously swimming against the current and makes us reflect on expectations re: elite sports athletes. And imo it's to be celebrated that a GOAT opens up about pressure affecting her mental health. Normalising converstation about the toll the constant pressure demands might help alleviate some of it. | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On July 29 2021 00:38 [Phantom] wrote: Let's get controversy going. Simone Biles has quit two competitions now citing metal health issues. Will she quit next week events too? Would it be fair for her team mates if she competes next week? Because see I'm torn on this one. On one hand mental health is important, on the other if you quit on your team you're really being selfish. You are affecting the team that trusted and practiced with you for hours and throwing them under the bus. Not only that, it goes against the competitive mindset of an athlete. An athlete gives his 100%. It doesn't matter if he is expected to be first or last, you go and do your best you compete and try to break the limits of what's possible. You compete about yourself, against others and against the limits of humanity. Time and time again we have seen athletes go the extra mile. For some reason only soccer examples come to mind right now but it has happened in many sports. Franz Beckenbauer literally went back to the field with a broken arm to finish the game and help Germany win "the match of the Century". Any competitive person, or athele, will tell you that you have to strive to be the best and you cannot ever stop. So yeah. I'm not even from the US, but certainly I would feel let down. Maybe if she has quit before the event as other athletes did. But once you are there you have a commitment to you, to yours team mates, coaches and country, you just cannot quit. That's hot the mentality if a champion, much less of the self proclaimed "goat". You cannot be the goat if you back down when you face hardship. Only by overcoming it can you trascend. From what I have read so far she got "twisties" recently in practice as well, which is extremely dangerous in gymnastics, so it's better to not participate rather than risk a serious injury / death. So basically what might apply to other sports does not apply there, because the risks are far greater. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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MrBliss_9
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 05 2021 06:55 MrBliss_9 wrote: Is anyone following the debut of sport climbing? I'm sad to see Sean McColl eliminated before the finals, after he worked so hard at the IFSC to have sport climbing entered into the Olympics. Some minor upsets in the qualifiers already, with Colin Duffy securing a spot in the finals, and Mikael Mawem absolutely crushing. Does anyone think Alex Megos should get Bassa Mawem's spot in the finals, since Bassa is bowing out due to injury? Definitely sad to see both Canadians eliminated because I've seen both of them climbing at my local gyms before. I do think Alex Megos should get the spot, because otherwise you're gifting Adam Ondra a medal given the format. It's a massive advantage for the worst speed climber in the lot to be given a free win. Normally he would finish 8/2?/2? for 32, which is probably a bronze at best. Instead he finishes 4/2?/2? and if he gets 1st/2nd he can almost guarantee a gold. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18219 Posts
On August 05 2021 15:01 Amui wrote: Definitely sad to see both Canadians eliminated because I've seen both of them climbing at my local gyms before. I do think Alex Megos should get the spot, because otherwise you're gifting Adam Ondra a medal given the format. It's a massive advantage for the worst speed climber in the lot to be given a free win. Normally he would finish 8/2?/2? for 32, which is probably a bronze at best. Instead he finishes 4/2?/2? and if he gets 1st/2nd he can almost guarantee a gold. My main issue is the format. Turning climbing into a "triathlon" thing where you have to be good at 3 very different things is just weird. What you say here isn't wrong, but it makes about as much sense as saying that Usain Bolt shouldn't have won the sprinting medals because he's rubbish at running a marathon. Adam Ondra is one of the absolute best technical climbers in the world. He doesn't need to go *that* fast as long as he can get to the top of insanely difficult routes. It seems weird that he needs to train a very different discipline (doing easy routes insanely fast) to compete at the Olympics. And the same goes for speed climbers. I don't know much about speed climbing but I've watched some at this Olympics and it looks absolutely insane how they spider up these walls so fast. I'm sure they deserve their own medals for that sprint instead of also having to do very different technical climbs. And all of this was known beforehand and made abundantly clear to the IOC. But I guess they insisted about starting climbing with just one medal and we ended up with this weird triathlon format that nobody is really prepared for, and (probably) won't celebrate what the community (or actually, 3 different communities) consider the best climbers in the world. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 05 2021 15:41 Acrofales wrote: My main issue is the format. Turning climbing into a "triathlon" thing where you have to be good at 3 very different things is just weird. What you say here isn't wrong, but it makes about as much sense as saying that Usain Bolt shouldn't have won the sprinting medals because he's rubbish at running a marathon. Adam Ondra is one of the absolute best technical climbers in the world. He doesn't need to go *that* fast as long as he can get to the top of insanely difficult routes. It seems weird that he needs to train a very different discipline (doing easy routes insanely fast) to compete at the Olympics. And the same goes for speed climbers. I don't know much about speed climbing but I've watched some at this Olympics and it looks absolutely insane how they spider up these walls so fast. I'm sure they deserve their own medals for that sprint instead of also having to do very different technical climbs. And all of this was known beforehand and made abundantly clear to the IOC. But I guess they insisted about starting climbing with just one medal and we ended up with this weird triathlon format that nobody is really prepared for, and (probably) won't celebrate what the community (or actually, 3 different communities) consider the best climbers in the world. Yeah format issues are definitely a big gripe. Speed, and to a lesser extent bouldering and lead are very different disciplines. They're fixing it for the next Olympics though which is good. | ||
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Sqalevon
Netherlands523 Posts
For street skateboarding, Nijah Huston, who has dominated the last decade, didn't make the podium. Yuto Horigome won gold. Women Street had gold/bronze for two Japanese girls who came out of the blue for me. Women Park had another Japanese gold medal and Japan took silver too. Bronze went to Sky Brown who has been making a great impression lately winning Xgames. Mind you, these female medalist are 12-14 years old. Finally, Men Park was won by an Australian. Park is not something I'm that familiar with. | ||
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sharkie
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Sqalevon
Netherlands523 Posts
On August 05 2021 17:52 sharkie wrote: Really out of the blue? Pretty sure i heard about all Japanese skatenoarders being gold.medal contenders since last year For me. I only follow US skateboarding events like Xgames/ SLS/ Dew tour and hadn't heard of them. Also Bufoni didn't make the finals, no idea what happened there. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9771 Posts
I think they are an awesome addition to the Olympics, and they show that the soul of sport is still alive and well. Its nice to watch competitive sports that don't feel a competition to see how many performance enhancing drugs the human body can take. | ||
Shellshock
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