EPT2019 - 2020 Football Thread - Page 117
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sharkie
Austria18763 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28914 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland2120 Posts
On December 19 2019 19:56 sharkie wrote: Minamino is more a salah / mane type of player though Is he? The statistics I've seen out of him, he plays all over the place on right wing and center attack roles. Some of the media even thinks he's going to the midfield into some Wijnaldum type of slot. I have no clue, so we can go with the Salah/Mane type for now though | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7435 Posts
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On December 19 2019 21:29 Harris1st wrote: Haaland (or his agent) wants to much money. Dortmund and Leipzig are out. Premiere League is in So much about "it's all about play time, and not money" | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7435 Posts
On December 19 2019 22:29 Kotreb wrote: So much about "it's all about play time, and not money" Anyone remember the Wunderkind Martin Ødegaard? Yeah me neither | ||
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LennX
4572 Posts
On December 19 2019 22:47 Harris1st wrote: Anyone remember the Wunderkind Martin Ødegaard? Yeah me neither Remembered him being in RM. Googled and saw he went on loan to Real Sociedad this season. Ødegaard seems to be doing rather well imo | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On December 19 2019 22:47 Harris1st wrote: Anyone remember the Wunderkind Martin Ødegaard? Yeah me neither Just yesterday an article popped up in Croatian papers about him, and how he's ready to join RM next season since he's been doing so well this season. Before that, I totally forgot about him. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28914 Posts
If Haaland goes to United - which is what he has stated that he wants, and which fundamentally makes a lot of sense, he will get a lot of playtime. Ole is not afraid to play young players, and they know each other from when Haaland was considerably younger - Ole was the manager who signed him for Molde, the team he was at prior to Salzburg. Norwegian pundits in the know have claimed with a lot of confidence for a good while now that Haaland is going to end up in United (and the question has been whether it was gonna happen in January or in summer). I don't think money is the equation here, but that he has always dreamed of playing in the premier league and that this is the absolute perfect occasion - he's having his breakthrough season just while the biggest team in the premier league is doing a team rebuilding, which desperately needs a striker, while employing a manager that also happens to be Norwegian and one he already has a well established relationship to. Haaland to United is a perfect fit. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2120 Posts
That being said, signing Ole might be the turnaround in that aspect. Greenwood and James seem to be doing great. Edit: Rashford is actually having a good season now. It looks awkward because Utd itself has been inconsistent, but 10 goals and 4 assists is no joke. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7435 Posts
On December 20 2019 00:55 Liquid`Drone wrote: Ødegaard is doing fantastically and has progressed just as expected. Now he is 21 years old, and good enough to be a starter for any team.. Whoscored has him ranked as the fourth best player in La Liga this season. (Behind Messi, Benzema and Casemiro). Ah okay bad example then. My bad I just had in the back of my head that he transferred to Real way too young and for way too much money and then couldn't even cut it in their 2nd team or sth. Didn't really follow him afterwards Edit: Transfermarkt says he has been loaned to a bunch of low to midlevel clubs in the last 3 years. I'd argue it would have been better to go to a mid to highlevel club in the first place and develop there | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28914 Posts
On December 20 2019 01:25 Bacillus wrote: I think the one spooky in Utd is that their record on cultivating youngsters isn't that good. You could argue that Pogba, Martial, Rashford and maybe even Lingard aren't playing up to their talent more than occassionally. That being said, signing Ole might be the turnaround in that aspect. Greenwood and James seem to be doing great. Edit: Rashford is actually having a good season now. It looks awkward because Utd itself has been inconsistent, but 10 goals and 4 assists is no joke. Manchester United has fielded at least one academy-produced player for the past 4000 games.. (That is, every game since 1937)  You're def right that it hasn't been as prioritized post fergie though, but reverting that trend seems to be part of Ole's purpose. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28914 Posts
On December 20 2019 01:43 Harris1st wrote: Ah okay bad example then. My bad I just had in the back of my head that he transferred to Real way too young and for way too much money and then couldn't even cut it in their 2nd team or sth. Didn't really follow him afterwards Edit: Transfermarkt says he has been loaned to a bunch of low to midlevel clubs in the last 3 years. I'd argue it would have been better to go to a mid to highlevel club in the first place and develop there I mean you can hypothesize that his development might have been even better if he went to Ajax in the first place.. But I'm seeing a player who is one of the very best players in La Liga, at 21 years of age, who is poised to rejoin Real Madrid as a starter from next season, and I'm thinking if you were expecting more than that then that probably wasn't realistic.. Like, honestly, I didn't think RM seemed like a good choice after he had spent a year playing for the Castilla (that's second or third or whatever)-team, and then him spending 3 years in dutch teams makes you think 'why not just go to the dutch teams in the first place'. But then I'm also seeing the outcome of the development, and I'm thinking, he wasn't expected to be any better than he is now at this point in time. The issue is that he got the spotlight on him when he was 15 - not when he was 17 or 18, but 15. So he did need more time to develop than most other highly touted talents, simply because he was younger than most others at the point of really being noticed. Honestly, it seems like, and this really shouldn't have been a surprise to me or any others, that Real Madrid has actually done a very good job cultivating him. Him getting to play 30 minutes in a fairly meaningless game in what made him the youngest player ever to play for Real Madrid was not supposed to be a premonition of him getting more playtime the rest of that season or the season after - it was supposed to establish Ødegaard's position as a player that RM genuinely believed in for the future, and it was supposed to establish Real Madrid as the team Ødegaard himself would most want to play for, in the future. Now during the years in the Heerenveen and Vitesse, that moment was one he was thinking back on and wanting to replicate. It's the same thing Solskjær is doing now, in United. He's making sure that a lot of young players get actual playtime, that they're not just stuck playing for the reserves or b team, because this experience builds a grateful mentality within the players, one where they don't resent the team for not giving them chances, but where they start dreaming about getting to replicate that moment (of being subbed on and having Old Trafford cheer them on, etc), so it makes Manchester United be the one team they most want to play for. All the best teams of the past decades have had some staple players that are there for 10+ years and don't want to play anywhere else, whereas United post Ferguson has seemed not to be like that. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
I remember I mentioned him earlier in the season and Drone pointed out he was developing well. Based on the game I saw last weekend that is certainly the case. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7435 Posts
Are you a manager of some (youth) team by any chance? If not, go do it ^^ Talentwise I absolutely agree. I was arguing more from a social point of view. Go to Ajax, live there for 3+ years with my family, make some friends, git gud, go to a big club and get an awesome salary instead switching clubs more often than underwear, always beeing the outsider. But it seems it all worked out for him, so that's cool | ||
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Malinor
Germany4758 Posts
They really do not want to be german champion. | ||
Pandemona
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Elentos
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On December 21 2019 06:28 Pandemona wrote: Well they are behind Bayern again in the table even if it just is on goal difference that is quite crazy going into todays game. I feel for them here though, playing Tuesday into Friday seems a bit extreme? It's the same as Wednesday to Saturday  Btw I didn't realize how many injured players Bayern had. Their starting 11 for today's game basically fields itself. Their bench will be mostly youth players because everyone else is injured and Thiago is suspended. I guess ultimately that's kind of what they get for having a tiny squad. | ||
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Pandemona
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