EPTThen there's the changes to the aerodynamics, which should eliminate much of the dirty air and presumable allow for more wheel to wheel racing and that might favor some drivers more than others. If its true, Im guessing it will favor more balsy drivers like Verstappen.
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
Then there's the changes to the aerodynamics, which should eliminate much of the dirty air and presumable allow for more wheel to wheel racing and that might favor some drivers more than others. If its true, Im guessing it will favor more balsy drivers like Verstappen. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
 Not a great statement from the FIA, blaming Teams, Drivers and Fans for misunderstanding and ruining the reputation of the championship. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
On December 16 2021 03:34 Zaros wrote: It did ok at power tracks so its probably decent, and its supposed to be upgraded for next year. How upgraded exactly? There's an engine dev freeze. Sure, they can do the same as Merc, and upgrade the reliability and then turn it up a little bit, but it's not going to suddenly move mountains | ||
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
On December 16 2021 05:33 Zaros wrote: https://www.fia.com/news/statement-fia-world-motor-sport-council Not a great statement from the FIA, blaming Teams, Drivers and Fans for misunderstanding and ruining the reputation of the championship. Literally not what was stated at all, did you even read it? The circumstances surrounding the use of the Safety Car following the incident of driver Nicholas Latifi, and the related communications between the FIA Race Direction team and the Formula 1 teams, have notably generated significant misunderstanding and reactions from Formula 1 teams, drivers and fans They're blaming the communication between the FIA and the teams, which in turn generated miscommunication and reactions from the teams, drivers and fans. the FIA President proposed to the World Motor Sport Council that a detailed analysis and clarification exercise for the future with all relevant parties will now take place They're also going to analyse what went wrong and attempt to improve it. How in the world did you read any of this as "blaming the teams, drivers and fans"? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On December 16 2021 06:57 Excludos wrote: How upgraded exactly? There's an engine dev freeze. Sure, they can do the same as Merc, and upgrade the reliability and then turn it up a little bit, but it's not going to suddenly move mountains I believe Mercedes, Honda, Ferrari used their token this year while Renault are doing it for next year before the freeze. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
On December 16 2021 07:03 Zaros wrote: I believe Mercedes, Honda, Ferrari used their token this year while Renault are doing it for next year before the freeze. You seem to be right. I wasn't aware that they were allowed to do so, but articles back up this claim | ||
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Penev
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
Max verstappen said he received congratulations from both Toto wolf and Lewis Hamilton, for having won his first world title; He says he is going to run as car number 1 next season, as when you win you are allowed to run that number for the following season. Hamilton was just officially knighted by the prince of Wales; apperently Thursday there is a ceremony in Paris by the FIA, which both rivals will attend. And also, I really do hope someone creates a new thread here on TL for the 2022 season and keeps it updated week-end by week-end. It’s pretty lame to see that this thread is stuck in 2019. And apperently Alonso had an accident with his bicycle, but is doing his best to recover | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On December 16 2021 15:23 pebble444 wrote: Meanwhile; Max verstappen said he received congratulations from both Toto wolf and Lewis Hamilton, for having won his first world title; He says he is going to run as car number 1 next season, as when you win you are allowed to run that number for the following season. Hamilton was just officially knighted by the prince of Wales; apperently Thursday there is a ceremony in Paris by the FIA, which both rivals will attend. And also, I really do hope someone creates a new thread here on TL for the 2022 season and keeps it updated week-end by week-end. It’s pretty lame to see that this thread is stuck in 2019. And apperently Alonso had an accident with his bicycle, but is doing his best to recover Alonso's bike accident was last year, unless he's had another one. It's important to not confuse the public face of Toto and the business side of Toto (Lewis won't be the one pushing this). Toto is absolutely ruthless as a team boss, and I would expect that there's a lot of legal stuff going on behind the scenes. I don't know how far Merc will go towards legal action, but I don't think the championship to be overturned at this point. That would be even worse than it already is from a PR perspective. The title win, regardless of what happens now has already been tainted, which is unfortunate. More likely they will be seeking a quiet undisclosed ~8-9 digit sum from the FIA to Merc as settlement. | ||
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Penev
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On December 16 2021 10:22 Sermokala wrote: I mean max is a worthy world champion but he's going to have to live with his first WDC being tainted by a bad end to the season. Which would be especially sad because the controversy is not by his doing. But in reality that's not how it works generally speaking. In practice things like this are mostly forgotten and even more so forgiven. Look at what Senna and Schumacher pulled to become world champion and they are both held in high regard from shortly after those incidents to this day. It'll pass. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
On December 16 2021 19:02 Penev wrote: Which would be especially sad because the controversy is not by his doing. But in reality that's not how it works generally speaking. In practice things like this are mostly forgotten and even more so forgiven. Look at what Senna and Schumacher pulled to become world champion and they are both held in high regard from shortly after those incidents to this day. It'll pass. Senna and Schumacher did that in different times though, the world has changed rather significantly since then when it comes to how we experience sports. | ||
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Penev
28524 Posts
On December 16 2021 19:31 Laurens wrote: Senna and Schumacher did that in different times though, the world has changed rather significantly since then when it comes to how we experience sports. It'll still pass. There are several mechanics in place that will make sure of that.The time bubble made up of the present and recent past that we're experiencing will move further away from the incident providing time to, not completely forget, but to forget the intensity of how it felt. New incidents will happen that will grab peoples attention and new fans that never witnessed the occurrence (when it happened) will enter the daily conversation. At some point people just move on. Also I'm sceptical about the "we're living in different times" argument. Sure, we have the internet and social media now but don't underestimate the outrage about what Schumacher did at the time, nothing different from what we're seeing now. There are still some especially salty English moaning about the hand of god but to the world Maradonna is just one of the best footballers of all time, nothing else. Moaning is ugly, at some point people accept what has happened and move away from the ugly. Edit: Changed "Brits" to "English" :O | ||
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Penev
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Malinor
Germany4735 Posts
What better way to decide the championship then head to head in the last round? I understand that Lewis was at a disadvantage due to his tires and that maybe some decisions were not made by the book or even against it. But in the end I would argue all he had to do was hold Max for one round. He could not do that, so he is not the champion. There were like 22 races of good and bad decisions by teams, race directors and drivers that lead up to this. If you are the clear champion, it would have been decided beforehand. you see I can totally support the view that the casual viewer does in fact not care at all, and I believe rightfully so. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
On December 16 2021 20:45 Penev wrote: Mercedes won’t pursue appeal of Abu Dhabi stewards decision, as FIA announce investigation Aha. There we have it. It's official then. Still excited to see what comes out of this investigation. Hopefully it turns into something positive, such as improved consistency when it comes to on track calls and penalties. I think we all agree that is sorely needed | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26603 Posts
On December 16 2021 20:03 Penev wrote: It'll still pass. There are several mechanics in place that will make sure of that.The time bubble made up of the present and recent past that we're experiencing will move further away from the incident providing time to, not completely forget, but to forget the intensity of how it felt. New incidents will happen that will grab peoples attention and new fans that never witnessed the occurrence (when it happened) will enter the daily conversation. At some point people just move on. Also I'm sceptical about the "we're living in different times" argument. Sure, we have the internet and social media now but don't underestimate the outrage about what Schumacher did at the time, nothing different from what we're seeing now. There are still some especially salty English moaning about the hand of god but to the world Maradonna is just one of the best footballers of all time, nothing else. Moaning is ugly, at some point people accept what has happened and move away from the ugly. Edit: Changed "Brits" to "English" :O I think the crucial part is Senna and Schumacher did so much else that they were indisputable greats. If a one-time champion pulled what they did to get a singular title there’d be much more of an asterix there, so it’s up to Max to go out and win some more. Plus while obviously tragic, Senna dying as he did still at the peak of his powers only added to his legend. How we consume media definitely amplifies outrage in the here and now, the flip side of this is that there’s always some new controversy around the corner to replace it. So in longer terms if anything the current culture can have a shorter memory. Moaning does get ugly, especially when it’s ridiculous. As egregious as the Hand of GodTM was, there’s pretty clear footage of Maradona getting elbowed off the ball and kicked around in the game, the former was as pure an act of cheating as Maradona playing handball | ||
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Penev
28524 Posts
On December 16 2021 23:46 WombaT wrote: I think the crucial part is Senna and Schumacher did so much else that they were indisputable greats. If a one-time champion pulled what they did to get a singular title there’d be much more of an asterix there, so it’s up to Max to go out and win some more. Plus while obviously tragic, Senna dying as he did still at the peak of his powers only added to his legend. How we consume media definitely amplifies outrage in the here and now, the flip side of this is that there’s always some new controversy around the corner to replace it. So in longer terms if anything the current culture can have a shorter memory. Moaning does get ugly, especially when it’s ridiculous. As egregious as the Hand of GodTM was, there’s pretty clear footage of Maradona getting elbowed off the ball and kicked around in the game, the former was as pure an act of cheating as Maradona playing handball If Max would retire right now I doubt he would be mostly remembered for the controversy of this final race. No one reasonable is saying he isn't an outstanding driver, quite a few say he's the most talented driver ever even. He would be remembered for a while for being that prodigy that retired way too early for the most part probably. Ultimately he wouldn't be among the most brought up drivers of the sport because of the shortness of his career. This controversy won't really matter either way. | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
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