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LennX
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Excludos
Norway8264 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8264 Posts
On November 26 2023 23:24 Penev wrote: If that's a penalty for Perez we should've seen a lot more penalties given this and previous seasons. The penalty was because he opened the steering wheel for like 0.2 seconds, showing he wasn't "in control". You can get away with a lot in F1, as long as you are in control of your car. The second you aren't, and there's contact, you get a penalty | ||
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Penev
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On November 27 2023 04:07 Excludos wrote: The penalty was because he opened the steering wheel for like 0.2 seconds, showing he wasn't "in control". You can get away with a lot in F1, as long as you are in control of your car. The second you aren't, and there's contact, you get a penalty Oh I'm aware it was a bit clumsy for sure but usually stewards don't give a penalty for this small a correction, even less so when there isn't even a change of position. The judgement was way harsher than usual. I agree with Brundle here and would classify it as a racing incident. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On November 27 2023 04:57 Penev wrote: Oh I'm aware it was a bit clumsy for sure but usually stewards don't give a penalty for this small a correction, even less so when there isn't even a change of position. The judgement was way harsher than usual. I agree with Brundle here and would classify it as a racing incident. In this case Perez missed the apex by a cars width. Lando isn't obligated to give 2 cars worth of room on the inside. Normally I think they let off the hook only if the offending party suffers badly from their own mistake. I think the last 3 non-Max RB have all been guilty of bad divebombs, and are a large reason why the rules are what they are now. | ||
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Penev
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On November 27 2023 06:22 Amui wrote: In this case Perez missed the apex by a cars width. Lando isn't obligated to give 2 cars worth of room on the inside. Normally I think they let off the hook only if the offending party suffers badly from their own mistake. I think the last 3 non-Max RB have all been guilty of bad divebombs, and are a large reason why the rules are what they are now. The problem I have with this decision is lack of consistency from the stewards. You can argue for a penalty here but there have been tons of similar incidents like this, or worse, that went unpunished this season, previous ones and I'm pretty sure in the future seasons as well. It reminds me of Norris' penalty for "unsportsmanlike behavior" in Canada. He did do something (safety car delta shenanigans) that could be seen as a violation of the rules but the problem with the ruling was that what he did happens all the time and is normally never penalized. This has nothing to do with RB or any specific team btw; "dive bombs" are part of the art of overtaking and have always been a point of discussion. For instance Hamilton used to do this all the time to Rosberg which prompted some complaints at first but after a while he just started to return to favor, particularly in 2016. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8264 Posts
The issue lies entirely in the fact that stewards in F1 are changed every single race, and people are people, no matter how hard they try to stay objective, some subjectivity will always seep through, especially in gray-area situations. So while the stewards knows the rules, and one of them must be someone with driver experience, things still change race to race. It's a system that have been criticised for a long time, but I suspect nothing is going to change until there's a large controversy | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10496 Posts
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
someone still had De Vries on their team lol | ||
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Excludos
Norway8264 Posts
On November 28 2023 08:49 CorsairHero wrote: took first place in TL fantasy at the final race :D someone still had De Vries on their team lol Uhm...Yeah, who would do that? How stupid can you be? haha! Hah! haaaaaaayeah it was me. I completely forgot about the whole thing xD | ||
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Excludos
Norway8264 Posts
On November 28 2023 07:19 FlaShFTW wrote: I still don't get why they don't have full time stewards that go with them from race to race. it makes no sense to me. F1 can easily cough up a couple more plane tickets for them to go from race to race. Yeah it's not a money thing. I believe it's to avoid bias (aka, if one steward happen to start disliking one driver, Ocon could conceivably end up with even more penalties somehow). It's also in order to protect them somewhat, and avoid corruption. It's also possibly to avoid burnout among the stewards. There's also the fact that the current rules requires one of the three stewards appointed by the FIA to be a driver, who might have other things to do throughout a year (like..driving), and the fourth steward to be a local. I think possibly a good middle ground could be to have at least the chairman (Who is currently appointed anew every race) to be the same one throughout the season, but that wouldn't protect against corruption or bias I suppose. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27065 Posts
On November 28 2023 09:48 Excludos wrote: Yeah it's not a money thing. I believe it's to avoid bias (aka, if one steward happen to start disliking one driver, Ocon could conceivably end up with even more penalties somehow). It's also in order to protect them somewhat, and avoid corruption. It's also possibly to avoid burnout among the stewards. There's also the fact that the current rules requires one of the three stewards appointed by the FIA to be a driver, who might have other things to do throughout a year (like..driving), and the fourth steward to be a local. I think possibly a good middle ground could be to have at least the chairman (Who is currently appointed anew every race) to be the same one throughout the season, but that wouldn't protect against corruption or bias I suppose. That feels like it would make sense in terms of engendering some consistency, which seems to me the biggest issue. Sure mistakes happen the odd time, but it feels so over the place sometimes as if there’s no common baseline of consistency | ||
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LennX
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F1 rejects Andretti bid to join by 2026 but door left open for 2028 "After an assessment period, F1 says an 11th team alone doesn't add value, it needs to be competitive. Also: While the Andretti name carries some recognition for F1 fans, our research indicates that F1 would bring value to the Andretti brand rather than the other way around" I wonder if Andretti will sue to get in for the 2026 season. FIA approved while FOM rejected. | ||
GTR
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LennX
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My guess is Mercedes created another joker of a car | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
On February 01 2024 22:38 Excludos wrote: Seems like a completely ridiculous move for me. I can't quite fathom the reason behind this, unless Ferrari trucked a literal boatload of money to his house. I for sure don't buy any "Because it's Ferrari! Everyone wants to be at Ferrari!" Bullshit that some fans are clinging on it. Ferrari is barely a B team atm. Ferrari won a race this year, Mercedes didn't. And 2022 was even worse. The Ferrari has clearly been superior to the Mercedes in the past 2 seasons, how can you call it a B team. My guess is there's two parts to this: 1) He doesn't like the way the 2025 car is going, doesn't think he has a shot at being WDC 2) "Because it's Ferrari! Everyone wants to be at Ferrari!" | ||
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On February 01 2024 22:55 Laurens wrote: Ferrari won a race this year, Mercedes didn't. And 2022 was even worse. The Ferrari has clearly been superior to the Mercedes in the past 2 seasons, how can you call it a B team. My guess is there's two parts to this: 1) He doesn't like the way the 2025 car is going, doesn't think he has a shot at being WDC 2) "Because it's Ferrari! Everyone wants to be at Ferrari!" I can call it a B team because Mercedes is also a B team. Ferrari is an absolute clownshow even when they have a competitive car. Hubris is Ferrari's motto, and it has been their downfall for generations. Schumacher brought his whole team over, and had to constantly fight to keep doing things his ways. Ferrari always knows better than their own drivers and experts, and the way they treat their own people makes the whole team look like an abysmal work place. They have a legacy, and that's it. No functional human being would value thay over literally everything else. It is kinda hilarious how Lewis is making this change right after Mercedes testing of the 2024 car tho. It must be a real shit show if that was the catalyst | ||
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Vinekh
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I'm more upset that Leclerc accepted mediocrity and signed a long term contract with this clown fiesta. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10496 Posts
It'll be so weird seeing him in red... | ||
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