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On November 28 2016 22:35 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2016 22:15 DucK- wrote:On November 28 2016 21:16 Salteador Neo wrote:On November 28 2016 10:51 DucK- wrote:
So is it mou fault or is he let down by his players? One thing for sure though is his shit luck with his defenders Mou just sucks as a football coach, let's face it already: His Madrid run was a shitshow. He got sacked from Chelsea after not even making Europe League and playing like crap. Chelsea had played european football for 20 years before that. He signed for ManU and is not producing results or good football, even tho they signed Pogba and specially Zlatan, who is basically the biggest reason Mou got great results in Italy. Sounds like a hater lol. I actually thought he was both an asshole and a genius before, because he got the CL win with Porto, rocked the Calcio with Inter 3 times in a row and got some serious results with Chelsea, a team I literally never heard about before he joined it. Now I think he is just an asshole 
As far as I've understood, he tends to burn out teams in a few years. Previously he has been able to jump in, produce results while drawing everything from the team and then after maybe three years or so, move on and let the team recover. Now it seems he's struggling to find such exceptional results.
I do worry a bit for the younger talents in ManU, Rashford and Martial at least. I don't think Mou is particularly known for developing young talent as much as he's getting the maximum out of the current team.
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On November 29 2016 01:18 Bacillus wrote:
I do worry a bit for the younger talents in ManU, Rashford and Martial at least. I don't think Mou is particularly known for developing young talent as much as he's getting the maximum out of the current team.
It's funny how Mou once had the courage to field a teenager in the champions league final with Porto and yet he has done nothing with youth since. That said, I thought Rashford was getting decent playing time? Haven't really been following much football due to work so I wouldn't know.
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On November 29 2016 01:37 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 01:18 Bacillus wrote:
I do worry a bit for the younger talents in ManU, Rashford and Martial at least. I don't think Mou is particularly known for developing young talent as much as he's getting the maximum out of the current team. It's funny how Mou once had the courage to field a teenager in the champions league final with Porto and yet he has done nothing with youth since. That said, I thought Rashford was getting decent playing time? Haven't really been following much football due to work so I wouldn't know.
Looking at the statistics, yeah Rashford has got decent playing minutes. I've somehow got the understanding that he isn't being utilized particularly well, but I could be mixing things up too. Football journos are having a field day going through all the stuff Mou is doing wrong in their opinion, it's possible I've misunderstood some complaint here and there with all the stuff being thrown at him.
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On November 29 2016 01:59 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 01:37 Ysellian wrote:On November 29 2016 01:18 Bacillus wrote:
I do worry a bit for the younger talents in ManU, Rashford and Martial at least. I don't think Mou is particularly known for developing young talent as much as he's getting the maximum out of the current team. It's funny how Mou once had the courage to field a teenager in the champions league final with Porto and yet he has done nothing with youth since. That said, I thought Rashford was getting decent playing time? Haven't really been following much football due to work so I wouldn't know. Looking at the statistics, yeah Rashford has got decent playing minutes. I've somehow got the understanding that he isn't being utilized particularly well, but I could be mixing things up too. Football journos are having a field day going through all the stuff Mou is doing wrong in their opinion, it's possible I've misunderstood some complaint here and there with all the stuff being thrown at him.
No you raise a good point, seems like Mourinho has been playing him mostly out wide which can be a bit frustrating for Rashford who I think prefers to lead the attack. Still that is going to be difficult when you have Zlatan in your side.
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On November 29 2016 02:33 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 01:59 Bacillus wrote:On November 29 2016 01:37 Ysellian wrote:On November 29 2016 01:18 Bacillus wrote:
I do worry a bit for the younger talents in ManU, Rashford and Martial at least. I don't think Mou is particularly known for developing young talent as much as he's getting the maximum out of the current team. It's funny how Mou once had the courage to field a teenager in the champions league final with Porto and yet he has done nothing with youth since. That said, I thought Rashford was getting decent playing time? Haven't really been following much football due to work so I wouldn't know. Looking at the statistics, yeah Rashford has got decent playing minutes. I've somehow got the understanding that he isn't being utilized particularly well, but I could be mixing things up too. Football journos are having a field day going through all the stuff Mou is doing wrong in their opinion, it's possible I've misunderstood some complaint here and there with all the stuff being thrown at him. No you raise a good point, seems like Mourinho has been playing him mostly out wide which can be a bit frustrating for Rashford who I think prefers to lead the attack. Still that is going to be difficult when you have Zlatan in your side.
Come to think of it, the rotations might get pretty interesting in December with the crazy premier league schedule. Both Rooney and Zlatan might need some time off to rest those ol' aching legs of theirs.
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On November 29 2016 02:33 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 01:59 Bacillus wrote:On November 29 2016 01:37 Ysellian wrote:On November 29 2016 01:18 Bacillus wrote:
I do worry a bit for the younger talents in ManU, Rashford and Martial at least. I don't think Mou is particularly known for developing young talent as much as he's getting the maximum out of the current team. It's funny how Mou once had the courage to field a teenager in the champions league final with Porto and yet he has done nothing with youth since. That said, I thought Rashford was getting decent playing time? Haven't really been following much football due to work so I wouldn't know. Looking at the statistics, yeah Rashford has got decent playing minutes. I've somehow got the understanding that he isn't being utilized particularly well, but I could be mixing things up too. Football journos are having a field day going through all the stuff Mou is doing wrong in their opinion, it's possible I've misunderstood some complaint here and there with all the stuff being thrown at him. No you raise a good point, seems like Mourinho has been playing him mostly out wide which can be a bit frustrating for Rashford who I think prefers to lead the attack. Still that is going to be difficult when you have Zlatan in your side.
Yeah Zlatan is the worst thing that can happen to an attacking player that wants to play down the middle, he commands to much space and time on the ball, thats always been his thing and as much as Zlatan is love, thats something every team has to work around. Historically thats been good enough because he was such a beast but hes not even close to the match winner he used to be so thats something Mou needs to figure out.
Guys like Cavani and Rashford go for being good strikers to kinda useless because they arent versatile enough to impact the game consistently outside their natural positions. And when you dont get into goal scoring positions enough and arent feeling comfortable the chances you do get tend to get fluffed.
And thats not a knock on them, strikers need to be in positions where they can thrive. If you put Lewandowski out on the wing he would be just as useless and hes probably the best pure out and out striker there is.
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Not Suarez? Or do you not consider him a pure striker?
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On November 29 2016 04:35 RvB wrote:
Not Suarez? Or do you not consider him a pure striker?
Naw man Suarez does so much even if hes not scoring.. all of that front 3 can do everything
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Nothing to add Rebs haha. Will be interesting to see what is going to happen in the winter at United.
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Honestly Rashford isn't good enough to be an out and out striker, he's terrible at 1v1s and is best when running at the defender which he can do from the wings. His crossing and dribbling are decent. Zlatan is surprisingly wasteful but he's a good targetman and everyone else is worse at finishing. The good thing is that Pogba + Herrera is a very good midfield except when Pogba gives the ball away by dribbling too much and thinking he still plays in Italy. The defense without Bailly has been solid too but untested.
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On November 29 2016 11:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Honestly Rashford isn't good enough to be an out and out striker, he's terrible at 1v1s and is best when running at the defender which he can do from the wings. His crossing and dribbling are decent. Zlatan is surprisingly wasteful but he's a good targetman and everyone else is worse at finishing. The good thing is that Pogba + Herrera is a very good midfield except when Pogba gives the ball away by dribbling too much and thinking he still plays in Italy. The defense without Bailly has been solid too but untested.
I dono under LVG Rashford was pretty clinical.. if you are going to consider just the games this season then I can be allowed to say that based on the LVG period that he was pretty solid.
He was at his peak performance in that roll, he has been pretty average since, 2 and 2 etc etc...
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I still think he's currently best utilized as a sub. He destroys tired defenders, but is not great at tiring them out.
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The Copa Sudamericana final has been suspended.
The plane that transported Chapecoense (Brasil) players crashed on its way to Colombia, can't say the number of deaths but there are estimated to be around 75
What a tragedy 
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2AUGgID.jpg)
Thats the first oficial statement
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Norway28798 Posts
yea that is a tragedy. From wiki, it looks like this was gonna be the by far biggest game they've ever played- they reached the brazilian top league just 2 seasons ago, never gotten far in copa sudamericana.. And now most of the team is dead. I read 6 survivors, but I'd imagine they're likely to have serious injuries.
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Just copying what i have written in a off-topic general discussion thread.
"DAMN that really made me sad. The team got from serie D to serie A in 6 years, and never backed down. The second international competition for a small team. Everyone loved them, they were impressive, defied big teams even though their budget is 10 times smaller. I will always remind of this team of brave men, that made what everyone thought was impossible, and for me they were a team of champions.
Rest In Peace, Chapeterror"
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Helio Neto was supposedly found alive, 6th survivor
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On November 29 2016 11:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Honestly Rashford isn't good enough to be an out and out striker, he's terrible at 1v1s and is best when running at the defender which he can do from the wings. His crossing and dribbling are decent. Zlatan is surprisingly wasteful but he's a good targetman and everyone else is worse at finishing. The good thing is that Pogba + Herrera is a very good midfield except when Pogba gives the ball away by dribbling too much and thinking he still plays in Italy. The defense without Bailly has been solid too but untested.
good to see phil jones back in match fitness although once bailly comes back i don't know if jones will be able to keep his spot next to smalling.
also i'm a huge proponent of carrick + pogba to allow pogba to push forward to do whatever he wants - herrera is alright too, maybe carrick is just too old to do what jose needs.
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Such a sad day. My condolences to the families and fans. :-(
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Horrific news. Chapecoense was a really sympathetic team.
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