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On March 09 2017 11:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
second penalty is a clear as fuck dive. honestly taints it for me, I'd consider it the greatest comeback ever but now it's like, meh, not deserved, and fuck suarez.
Yeah. The whole thing once again asks big questions about the corruption involved. It's almost 90 minutes played, it's obvious there's going to be desperate dives and you even have the goal line ref there to ensure clear unobstructed view of the situation. There's just no way anything like that should go through by accident.
It's not so much even about that particular game as it is about the sport as a whole. Right now it feels like I'm more than happy if Barca crash and burn in round of eight.
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I find it so funny how people defend the 2nd penalty XD
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On March 09 2017 12:33 stuchiu wrote:
Someone explain to me how big a throw PSG did so I can fully enjoy the schadenfreude.
Soulkey vs Innovation 2013
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On March 09 2017 17:55 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2017 11:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
second penalty is a clear as fuck dive. honestly taints it for me, I'd consider it the greatest comeback ever but now it's like, meh, not deserved, and fuck suarez. Yeah. The whole thing once again asks big questions about the corruption involved. It's almost 90 minutes played, it's obvious there's going to be desperate dives and you even have the goal line ref there to ensure clear unobstructed view of the situation. There's just no way anything like that should go through by accident. It's not so much even about that particular game as it is about the sport as a whole. Right now it feels like I'm more than happy if Barca crash and burn in round of eight.
Because they're the only ones profiting from bad ref decisions? Didn't Dembele deserve a red card in the first half vs Benfica? I see no complaints about Dortmund corrupting the UEFA. Come on, when you spend so much time in the opponent's box, some fouls are bound to be in your favor.
Let's talk conspiracy wooo. How come Real always gets easy draws? They got served their 11th CL on a platter. Thanks UEFA. So is UEFA pro Barça or pro Madrid? Or pro Liga maybe?
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Two wrongs don't make a right, WillyWanker
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You can be "disappointed" to see that kind of game spoiled by some bad ref decisions, but talking about corruption is another level of stupidity.
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On March 09 2017 19:39 WillyWanker wrote:
You can be "disappointed" to see that kind of game spoiled by some bad ref decisions, but talking about corruption is another level of stupidity.
Obviously corruption is going too far.
We all know that the ref has a reputation for bad games.
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On March 09 2017 19:34 sharkie wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a right, WillyWanker
Absolutely, and we can all agree that UEFA and FIFA have made some shitty decisions, and arbitrage needs improving across the board. He was only arguing against the Uefalona corruption crap. UEFA referees don't consistently referee in Barça's favor, just as they don't consistently referee against Benfica (despite our Portuguese colleagues' protestations). They just make crappy mistakes.
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On March 09 2017 19:58 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2017 19:34 sharkie wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a right, WillyWanker Absolutely, and we can all agree that UEFA and FIFA have made some shitty decisions, and arbitrage needs improving across the board. He was only arguing against the Uefalona corruption crap. UEFA referees don't consistently referee in Barça's favor, just as they don't consistently referee against Benfica (despite our Portuguese colleagues' protestations). They just make crappy mistakes.
I have to disagree with the Benefica thing. I actually think Benefica gets consistently the short end of the stick. But it's not on purpose, it's just bad luck. :p
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Norway28923 Posts
yeah I'm not talking about corruption at all, I don't think that's founded in reality. The stars had to align pretty hard for the scoreline to be 4-1 at that point anyway. I just don't like teams winning through cheating, and I feel that happened yesterday. I don't even care about the referee making a mistake, that happens all the time, it's the actions of Suarez that piss me off.
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On March 09 2017 19:27 WillyWanker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2017 17:55 Bacillus wrote:On March 09 2017 11:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
second penalty is a clear as fuck dive. honestly taints it for me, I'd consider it the greatest comeback ever but now it's like, meh, not deserved, and fuck suarez. Yeah. The whole thing once again asks big questions about the corruption involved. It's almost 90 minutes played, it's obvious there's going to be desperate dives and you even have the goal line ref there to ensure clear unobstructed view of the situation. There's just no way anything like that should go through by accident. It's not so much even about that particular game as it is about the sport as a whole. Right now it feels like I'm more than happy if Barca crash and burn in round of eight. Because they're the only ones profiting from bad ref decisions? Didn't Dembele deserve a red card in the first half vs Benfica? I see no complaints about Dortmund corrupting the UEFA. Come on, when you spend so much time in the opponent's box, some fouls are bound to be in your favor. Let's talk conspiracy wooo. How come Real always gets easy draws? They got served their 11th CL on a platter. Thanks UEFA. So is UEFA pro Barça or pro Madrid? Or pro Liga maybe?
As already said, two wrongs don't really make it right. Also, I'm fairly sure you can have more than instance of corruption around too, no need to look for some evil disney villain rigging all the games according to one big plan.
And tough calls have to be made real time, that's all part of the game. Sometimes the refs don't get it right, that's completely understandable too. It's pretty easy to miss some obscure and close cut offside timing on a quick counterattack at 36th minute of the game with lots of active and inactive players involved.
Meanwhile almost anyone can take a look at the scoreline and minutes played and tell that Barca players will be diving any given opportunity and then some. And then the refs are presented a situation with just two players involved and plenty of time and empty space around them to assess the situation before it even happens. As far as I can tell, at least 3 refs should have a decent view of the incident. Apart from crowd pressure, I can't see many reasons why top tier professional referees shouldn't get this call right.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I'm still on the ideology of, it doesn't matter if penalty 2 was debatable or im some eyes clearly not a penalty. The fact that you go to Camp Nou as a team with probably a budget on wages the same as Barcelona, with world class players, play 2 banks of 4 in front of your keeper and fail to defend a 4 goal lead. That's hilarious, then after you get an away goal meaning Barca needed another two and go back to your 2 banks of 4 to still get beaten...well im sorry but that's just appalling and you deserve to lose. Many, many teams haven gone to Barcelona in the champions league with 2 banks of 4 and sitting back and not got beaten that badly. In knock out competitions as well Barcelona have never had that kind of success before and this Barca team is worst than the previous ones.
Diving hasn't come into the game in the last 12 hours, diving has been around for decades and it just more common with certain players who go down with any touch, which they are entitled to do. When you see players like Sterling get himself pulled to the floor blatantly in a league game to make it 2-0 or whatever it was vs Spurs. He stays on his feet, whiffs the shot and then Spurs go down the other end and the game ends in a tie. Players gonna try everything they can to make sure they get said penalty and until referee's get help with video technology, you have to believe in "swings and roundabouts" to balance this out. Which it will, im sure it will.
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On March 09 2017 20:10 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2017 19:27 WillyWanker wrote:On March 09 2017 17:55 Bacillus wrote:On March 09 2017 11:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
second penalty is a clear as fuck dive. honestly taints it for me, I'd consider it the greatest comeback ever but now it's like, meh, not deserved, and fuck suarez. Yeah. The whole thing once again asks big questions about the corruption involved. It's almost 90 minutes played, it's obvious there's going to be desperate dives and you even have the goal line ref there to ensure clear unobstructed view of the situation. There's just no way anything like that should go through by accident. It's not so much even about that particular game as it is about the sport as a whole. Right now it feels like I'm more than happy if Barca crash and burn in round of eight. Because they're the only ones profiting from bad ref decisions? Didn't Dembele deserve a red card in the first half vs Benfica? I see no complaints about Dortmund corrupting the UEFA. Come on, when you spend so much time in the opponent's box, some fouls are bound to be in your favor. Let's talk conspiracy wooo. How come Real always gets easy draws? They got served their 11th CL on a platter. Thanks UEFA. So is UEFA pro Barça or pro Madrid? Or pro Liga maybe? As already said, two wrongs don't really make it right. Also, I'm fairly sure you can have more than instance of corruption around too, no need to look for some evil disney villain rigging all the games according to one big plan. And tough calls have to be made real time, that's all part of the game. Sometimes the refs don't get it right, that's completely understandable too. It's pretty easy to miss some obscure and close cut offside timing on a quick counterattack at 36th minute of the game with lots of active and inactive players involved. Meanwhile almost anyone can take a look at the scoreline and minutes played and tell that Barca players will be diving any given opportunity and then some. And then the refs are presented a situation with just two players involved and plenty of time and empty space around them to assess the situation before it even happens. As far as I can tell, at least 3 refs should have a decent view of the incident. Apart from crowd pressure, I can't see many reasons why top tier professional referees shouldn't get this call right.
Well, Barça players (particularly Suárez and Neymar) will be diving. However, they also have plenty of individual quality to circumvent defenders and defenders pull the emergency breaks. And given the pressure mounting in the last 10 minutes of that match, MSN were in the penalty area a LOT. Distinguising between a dive and a push is hard when there is in fact actual contact. Looking back at the TV footage I think pretty much everybody agrees that it shouldn't have been a penalty. But that isn't what knocked PSG out of the cup. Their own craven play and atrocious defense did. Fighting Barça in Camp Nou is hard. But they only had to defend a 4-0 lead, and they actually managed to score a goal, meaning ALL they had to do was not receive 6 goals. Complaining about the referee is ridiculous in this situation. If you have the quality to win 4-0 at home (and make Barça look completely pathetic while doing so), you have the quality to not fuck up that badly in the away game. The refereeing had very little to do with PSG's fuckup.
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To be completely clear, I'm not claiming any kind of clear cut conspiracy or whatever, but I do absolutely want more transparency in football and I do want that these things are talked about and cleared out as thoroughly as possible.
It's totally foolish to assume there aren't any attempts of foul with so much money involved. Whether this particular one had some bias involved, I really don't know.
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What a comeback from Barcelona. Obviously it is tainted, but they never gave up and they kept in there and that definitely deserves credit. Also the belief beforehand they could actually pull this off was amazing. I'm no Barcelona fan but you have to love their mentality coming into these matches.
PSG on the other hand... One honestly has to wonder what Emery told his players for them to be this scared. Hell he was such a nervous wreck on the sidelines as well for a man coming into a match with a 4-0 lead. Just bizarre to me. I agree completely with Pandemona, a team of comparable finances should not be letting themselves get beaten in such a manner. Two banks of four and you should be fine, especially with a physical advantage. Hell PSG could also have just made it a very open game as away goals would have massively favored them too. Anything was better than what they did yesterday. Oh well, I'm glad Barcelona went through because PSG is obviously not ready yet.
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On March 09 2017 19:27 WillyWanker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2017 17:55 Bacillus wrote:On March 09 2017 11:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
second penalty is a clear as fuck dive. honestly taints it for me, I'd consider it the greatest comeback ever but now it's like, meh, not deserved, and fuck suarez. Yeah. The whole thing once again asks big questions about the corruption involved. It's almost 90 minutes played, it's obvious there's going to be desperate dives and you even have the goal line ref there to ensure clear unobstructed view of the situation. There's just no way anything like that should go through by accident. It's not so much even about that particular game as it is about the sport as a whole. Right now it feels like I'm more than happy if Barca crash and burn in round of eight. Because they're the only ones profiting from bad ref decisions? Didn't Dembele deserve a red card in the first half vs Benfica? I see no complaints about Dortmund corrupting the UEFA. Come on, when you spend so much time in the opponent's box, some fouls are bound to be in your favor. Let's talk conspiracy wooo. How come Real always gets easy draws? They got served their 11th CL on a platter. Thanks UEFA. So is UEFA pro Barça or pro Madrid? Or pro Liga maybe?
If we're talking conspiracy theories and draws, I think the real talk is why arsenal gets shit draws all the time XD
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And in more football entertainment:
York City have released Derwin Martina after just four days - and 81 minutes of reserve team football - having pushed through a deal to sign him last week.
The former Ajax academy defender joined the National League side on Friday after they received international clearance and he was an unused substitute for their 3-1 victory over Eastleigh the following day.
But after manager Gary Mills watched him make his debut for the club's reserve side in a 2-1 defeat by Hartlepool on Tuesday, Martina was immediately released.
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Martina was at fault for Hartlepool's winning goal at Bootham Crescent and admitted afterwards that he struggled to handle his first game in English football.
'It was really hard for me,' he told The York Press.
'I had to take in a lot of information – too much new information.
'In Holland, we always play 4-3-3 and I am a right back, but we played 5-2-3 and it was a new position for me, so I had to do new things with and without the ball.'
Mills has declined to explain his reasons for letting Martina go.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4292622/York-City-release-Derwin-Martina-just-four-days.html
Lol.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Awww another player retires, makes me feel even older. Watched most of Alonso's career and the guy was a beautiful passer and some of his goals he scored were world class. Wish him all the best in the future!
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very hard to believe you can shit on referee. if anything went wrong, then only the 2nd penalty. 5min extra time is ok for me because psg played "wasting time" all the time. cavani had a serious opportunity to score 3 goals at camp nou. psg failed more than the referee if you want to complain something.
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