EPT2015 - 2016 Football Thread - Page 289
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28678 Posts
When Chelsea became the first billionaire playground club (not technically true but whatever, it's true enough), that was really significant for them, as it allowed them to buy players previously unavailable to them. But every 10-17th team in PL becoming twice as rich, I don't see how it's gonna be all that significant in improving league quality. The top managers coming to PL, that however is significant. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:31 Pandemona wrote: Doesn't increase the talent in the world means the English league will buy it all up to a bigger extent of what it does already. For example, the right back from Dynamo Kyiv now plays for relegation fighting Norwich over a champions league club still in said champions league lol On March 04 2016 01:35 Liquid`Drone wrote: Professional football is so saturated with talent that aside from the very, very world class players, there's not a significant difference between having a top 200 player and a top 500 player. Maybe PL has more top 200 players, but the constant pressure for success and getting a 'return for the investment' means that managers aren't given time to build a well-gelled team characterized by great teamwork. And having 11 top 500 players playing together for 3 years is gonna be better than just putting 11 top 200 players together.  | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28678 Posts
And the players.. we had John Carew for 19 matches, then he was bought by Valencia. Aside from that, we had Ørjan Berg who was genuinely fantastic - at his peak he could have been a starter for a top 10 team in the world. Erik Hoftun was also great. The other 9 starters and bench players? Would've had a hard time defending a starting position for any mid-table English, Spanish or Italian team. Yet, when they played for a team with a clearly defined identity (Nils Arne Eggen's Rosenborg was extremely influenced by dutch total football) and incredibly rehearsed movements and tactics (the central line was largely unchanged for almost a decade), they managed to consistently punch way above their weight. I really think that the demise of Manchester United following Ferguson leaving would have showcased the importance of having a cohesive identity and a defined, well-rehearsed gameplan, but I guess not. Unless you are a team of galacticos (and RM has done much worse than their players would have indicated), players alone don't cut it. | ||
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haitike
Spain2714 Posts
Premier league youth squads and reserve teams are mediocre at best, and most of the teams don't have any game plan or tactic scheme. They just run and never defend. Very fun to watch, but terrible level for Europe. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 04 2016 04:55 Pandemona wrote: You honestly think that could happen again Drone, that doesn't happen anymore and it won't. Youuu dont sayyy ? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/csHgzVY.png) And I dont know if you've seen Atelti's squad but barring a couple of players it does not seem impressive on paper at all. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18431 Posts
On March 04 2016 04:55 Pandemona wrote: You honestly think that could happen again Drone, that doesn't happen anymore and it won't. It happened with Dortmund..? | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On March 04 2016 04:52 haitike wrote: I will never Believe that money is so important when Pérez Madrid has 3 leagues in 12 years (13 years with this year). Or City and PSG attemps at champions leagues. Premier league youth squads and reserve teams are mediocre at best, and most of the teams don't have any game plan or tactic scheme. They just run and never defend. Very fun to watch, but terrible level for Europe. Barcelona since missing the mark with "La Masia" has been expeding A SHIT TON OF MONEY in players, Suarez, Neymar, Rakitic, Bravo, to name a few. And before that while it was less and they had a great bunch of youth players, they were always backed up by huge players, Ronaldinho, Henry, Deco, Van Bronckhorst, Marquez, Dani Alves, Mascherano, Villa, etc... Im not saying otherwise about your argument in general, but to blindly say that money isnt that important its somewhat naive. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 04 2016 05:46 Faruko wrote: Barcelona since missing the mark with "La Masia" has been expeding A SHIT TON OF MONEY in players, Suarez, Neymar, Rakitic, Bravo, to name a few. And before that it was less they had a great bunch of youth players, but they were always backed up by huge players, Ronaldinho, Henry, Deco, Van Bronckhorst, Marquez, Dani Alves, Mascherano, Villa, etc... They spent that much money even when they were using youth players. Henry, Alves Masch and Villa came with or after Guardiola and brought in B team guys. La Masia has really only hit the mark in this generation but just because those players dont end up being good enough to play for Barcelona doesnt mean they arent good players. And if you look at the 90's and early 2000's yes its correct that Barca was the club that bought all the big talents and (were ironically less successful) Real prior to the early galacticos era had a chalk full of home growns. Infact Van Gaal basically brought like 80 percent of the 98 Dutch national team in the Barca squad the 2 years he won. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
I guess with them failing so far the following season you could argue it, but also they had big players Klopp worked with and bought forward the talent from themselves. They are also very good talents which were then eaten/injured xd i don't think you can count them, also they did win the bundesliga too. As response to rebs, pretty sure we talking about E U R O P E here not the best league in the world. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 04 2016 06:03 Pandemona wrote: I guess with them failing so far the following season you could argue it, but also they had big players Klopp worked with and bought forward the talent from themselves. They are also very good talents which were then eaten/injured xd i don't think you can count them, also they did win the bundesliga too. As response to rebs, pretty sure we talking about E U R O P E here not the best league in the world. ... .... .... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mFO38RQ.png) | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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bObaZ
Portugal862 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:01 Rebs wrote: Yeah the idea that having more money will somehow increase the overall talent available in the world is rather silly. its a demand and supply market like anything else. It will just make those players more expensive because somene is willing to pay more. What that will end up doing is that you might get more instances of 1 maybe even 2 superstar players on smaller teams (the ones that end up doing well) but it wont massively shake up anything. This will result in more money to the feeder teams! Go Portuguese League! | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13969 Posts
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
On March 04 2016 01:57 Salteador Neo wrote: I'm 100% sure this year RM would not make top4 in PL tho  (Atlético would always make it, and Barça would rule PL ofc) Pique said Barca would not win the PL. He said they'd take a year or two to adjust and said teams line Stoke would give them trouble. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 05 2016 11:11 Eliezar wrote: Pique said Barca would not win the PL. He said they'd take a year or two to adjust and said teams line Stoke would give them trouble. He also said right after that if English teams went to Spain they would'nt win either. And it was an offhanded casual comment. This is why an appeal to some sort of personality making a statement who just said "its debatable" and offered his personal opinion isnt really the best line of reasoning. | ||
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