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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
October 28 2015 21:45 GMT
#3321
Theres the example of when the world rugby federation used the lure of South africa hosting the world rugly cup to ease the transition away from apartheid and banning them from the international game if they didn't. But to compare the 2 you have to be fucking nuts.

There is actively slave labor going on in quatar were people are dieing every day to build stadiums that will never be used the day the games end. The combined seating for the world cup games will exceed the national population. The top flight average attendance is less then 4 thousand. The weather in quatar is terrible for half the world and bad for the rest of it.

USA/mexico should be geting every third world cup because of how much television money pours into FIFA beacuse of them. and another third should be in Europe because thats where the pros all play. Thats not euro centrisim or western centrism thats a basic fact about the world of football.

Slavery and coruption are the basic things that make things shitty and the essence of what you should not like.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
October 28 2015 22:01 GMT
#3322
On October 29 2015 06:45 Sermokala wrote:
Theres the example of when the world rugby federation used the lure of South africa hosting the world rugly cup to ease the transition away from apartheid and banning them from the international game if they didn't. But to compare the 2 you have to be fucking nuts.

There is actively slave labor going on in quatar were people are dieing every day to build stadiums that will never be used the day the games end. The combined seating for the world cup games will exceed the national population. The top flight average attendance is less then 4 thousand. The weather in quatar is terrible for half the world and bad for the rest of it.

USA/mexico should be geting every third world cup because of how much television money pours into FIFA beacuse of them. and another third should be in Europe because thats where the pros all play. Thats not euro centrisim or western centrism thats a basic fact about the world of football.

Slavery and coruption are the basic things that make things shitty and the essence of what you should not like.


Again, i completely agree that giving the WC to Quatar is a mistake because of the things you sayed, slavery and civil rights conditions.

I am just against the tought process that World Cup should only go to "traditional football countries".
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18772 Posts
October 28 2015 22:01 GMT
#3323
It's been pretty clear that Platini and UEFA has been the main reason for qatar, that's no new knowledge.
Only uefa fanboys would claim otherwise, most big clubs are best buddies with qatar (Bayern comes to my mind)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 28 2015 22:04 GMT
#3324
Thats not what i am complaining about. Russia having the world cup makes sense. Huge nation, football has been a big part of its sport culture now. League is half decent, represented well through out Europe. England however didn't get a "fair" shot at challenging them for the rights to World Cup 2018 because Blatter said they will get it with USA in 2018 done and dusted. Prior to anyone hearing any power points etc.

Qatar beat USA and Australia to the 2018 world cup bid. Australia never had a world cup before, why can't they host it instead of Qatar? They play football, huge sporting nation and have the facilities to host it. Nope they wanted Qatar to have it because Platini got bent by THE PRESIDENT of France which is even worst.

Was never Qatar vs England btw. England lost to France and Spain? i think it was.
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Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
October 28 2015 22:13 GMT
#3325
Sepp's words today are attacking Platini and I think right after the vote for 2022 was announced you saw on Sepp's face that there was a problem.

When he says Russia was agreed to beforehand that speaks of corruption.

I think Russia is a viable place to hold the world cup and I get it going there, but it needs to be done above the table.

The US vote was such a joke. Almost a year before the vote Bill Archer wrote that Qatar was buying votes and was going to win the vote...and he was right. Australia? Great location for a cup and haven't hosted it. US? Great location and should have won.

FIFA needs to die and its great to see so many of the corrupt officials falling like dominoes.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 29 2015 01:14 GMT
#3326
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
October 29 2015 02:20 GMT
#3327
On October 29 2015 07:01 sharkie wrote:
It's been pretty clear that Platini and UEFA has been the main reason for qatar, that's no new knowledge.
Only uefa fanboys would claim otherwise, most big clubs are best buddies with qatar (Bayern comes to my mind)


Yeah most Big clubs are, but those big clubs dont award the world cup. They just want their money's.

On October 29 2015 06:45 Sermokala wrote:
Theres the example of when the world rugby federation used the lure of South africa hosting the world rugly cup to ease the transition away from apartheid and banning them from the international game if they didn't. But to compare the 2 you have to be fucking nuts.

There is actively slave labor going on in quatar were people are dieing every day to build stadiums that will never be used the day the games end. The combined seating for the world cup games will exceed the national population. The top flight average attendance is less then 4 thousand. The weather in quatar is terrible for half the world and bad for the rest of it.

USA/mexico should be geting every third world cup because of how much television money pours into FIFA beacuse of them. and another third should be in Europe because thats where the pros all play. Thats not euro centrisim or western centrism thats a basic fact about the world of football.

Slavery and coruption are the basic things that make things shitty and the essence of what you should not like.



Actually East Asia, China and India offer about 6-7 times more TV money to Europe than NA. NA TV money only became a thing a couple years back. The other parties I mentioned made TV deals the thing they are today.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 29 2015 16:20 GMT
#3328
Amazing game.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 29 2015 17:03 GMT
#3329
A leading figure behind England’s 2018 World Cup bid has described Sepp Blatter’s statement that the tournament was always destined for Russia as an “absolute scandal”.

Simon Johnson, the campaign’s chief operating officer, believes the Football Association should take legal action against Fifa to recover the costs of a bid it was never going to win.

Johnson is appalled by the claims from Blatter, the suspended Fifa president, that it was agreed before the vote in 2010 to host the World Cup in Russia.

“It’s an absolute scandal,” Johnson said. “I no longer work for the FA but I personally think they should bring an action to recover the costs of a bidding process which was neither fair nor transparent and we’ve now discovered was rigged.

“I think the FA has an obligation to bring an action against Fifa to recover not just their own costs but those incurred by the 12 host cities who were part of the bid, our sponsors, contractors and the government.

“The FA entered into a contract with Fifa to run a bid in accordance with certain rules – each bidder had to sign a bidding agreement – and, in my view, that contract has been invalidated. Fifa didn’t keep their side of the bargain. I think the bid’s sponsors are entitled to say to the FA: ‘You have a duty to recover the money we’ve spent.’”


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 29 2015 19:14 GMT
#3330
FA also got grilled yesterday over why they backed Platini before any other candidate. Thus backfiring when he himself got suspended due to corruption allegations. Quite funny how quickly they got sent to parliament hearing because of that xD

They "think" that most of Europe will now back the UEFA secretary instead which be interesting.
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fbs
Profile Joined February 2003
United Kingdom2476 Posts
October 29 2015 22:20 GMT
#3331
Neither Russia or Qatar should have got WC. The WC should not be awarded to Russia because of what they are doing/have done in Ukraine and their attitude to human rights and homosexuals. The amount of racism in Russian football is well known, just ask Hulk. Nobody needs further explanation on Qatar, there isn't a single good reason for the WC going there. I don't think any nation should get it more than once every 40 years and especially not a non football nation like USA. 2018 should be England. 2022 should be Australia. After these two countries then it can go back to the Americas.
Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
October 29 2015 23:59 GMT
#3332
Well...to compare:

World Cup Final US viewers 26.5 million, Great Britain 20.6 million. While the per capita viewership isn't near as high, the number of fans in the country is tremendous. Australia's population is 23.49 million to put all of that in perspective.

No country having the World Cup more than once every 40 years sounds reasonable though.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-30 01:03:01
October 30 2015 01:02 GMT
#3333
On October 30 2015 07:20 fbs wrote:
Neither Russia or Qatar should have got WC. The WC should not be awarded to Russia because of what they are doing/have done in Ukraine and their attitude to human rights and homosexuals. The amount of racism in Russian football is well known, just ask Hulk. Nobody needs further explanation on Qatar, there isn't a single good reason for the WC going there. I don't think any nation should get it more than once every 40 years and especially not a non football nation like USA. 2018 should be England. 2022 should be Australia. After these two countries then it can go back to the Americas.


The US is probably one of the best places you can host a tournament. How is the US a non football nation anymore than Australia ?

Do you know how little a shit Aussies give about football over Rugby and Aussie rules, possibly even cricket (but only when England is the opponent).

Not saying England shouldnt get it (I think they should) but the reasons would be quite different.
Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
October 30 2015 13:55 GMT
#3334
He's falling back on an outdated saying that is 20 years outdated.

The most popular sports team in the US per a forbes article a few years back based on merchandise sales, viewer numbers, etc was the Mexican National Futbol team.

The US has a division one league that averages OVER 20k attendance in the world meaning its in the top futbol leagues in the world attendancewise.

TV numbers are really big for national sides both US men and women and for the Mexican men. This doesn't count the fact that the leagues from Mexico, Argentina, England, etc are shown here and watched by large expat communities and futbol fans. In fact the inept and dumb concacaf region's leaders only knew how to do one thing and that was make money...and they figured out the way to make money is by holding tournaments in the US so they do it every 2 years. The US has more fans than most countries that could host world cups and has more sponsorship money than anywhere else that would host it.

All of this doesn't mean that spread the world cup around isn't a good thing and I personally prefer it NOT to be in the US so that I have more traveling options. Germany in 06 was just amazing.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-30 15:39:41
October 30 2015 15:35 GMT
#3335
Was it me that posted the most valuable clubs in the world a few months back and there were two MLS clubs that were worth over several hundred million dollars, even more than a few EPL teams? Not to mention the ratings have skyrocketed since NBC bought the rights to air games in the states. SO much so it is actually easier in some parts of the UK to just air NBC in pubs so the games can be shown and to avoid blackouts at certain times

Not to mention our infrastructure we could just showcase games in College stadiums some can fit over 100k. Don't believe me look at earlier this year the Real Madrid versus Utd(?) game, think the attendance was over 100k....


Found it:

Less than three months after Comcast Corp.’s NBCUniversal committed to spend about $950 million to air English Premier League soccer games in the U.S., the deal is starting to look like a rare commodity in the hot market for sports rights: a bargain.

In August, when the media company announced the new deal, which extends an earlier partnership and spans the 2016-17 season through 2021-22, NBC Sports Chairman Mark Lazarus predicted the company wouldn’t make money on the transaction, positioning it more as a loss-leader that would support the broader NBC sports portfolio.

But as the U.S. audience for the Premier League surges, he already is hedging those comments, saying in a recent interview: “We won’t make money at the beginning.” Premier League matches are just about the only major sports property in the U.S. showing any significant long-term growth in a splintering media environment in which executives declare victory when audience sizes remain flat or dip only slightly.

NBCUniversal, which has owned Premier League rights since 2013, outbid 21st Century Fox Inc. and BeInSports—a spinoff of Qatar’s Al Jazeera Media Network—in the most recent Premier League bidding.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-30 16:18:21
October 30 2015 16:17 GMT
#3336
On October 31 2015 00:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Was it me that posted the most valuable clubs in the world a few months back and there were two MLS clubs that were worth over several hundred million dollars, even more than a few EPL teams? Not to mention the ratings have skyrocketed since NBC bought the rights to air games in the states. SO much so it is actually easier in some parts of the UK to just air NBC in pubs so the games can be shown and to avoid blackouts at certain times

Not to mention our infrastructure we could just showcase games in College stadiums some can fit over 100k. Don't believe me look at earlier this year the Real Madrid versus Utd(?) game, think the attendance was over 100k....


Found it:

Show nested quote +
Less than three months after Comcast Corp.’s NBCUniversal committed to spend about $950 million to air English Premier League soccer games in the U.S., the deal is starting to look like a rare commodity in the hot market for sports rights: a bargain.

In August, when the media company announced the new deal, which extends an earlier partnership and spans the 2016-17 season through 2021-22, NBC Sports Chairman Mark Lazarus predicted the company wouldn’t make money on the transaction, positioning it more as a loss-leader that would support the broader NBC sports portfolio.

But as the U.S. audience for the Premier League surges, he already is hedging those comments, saying in a recent interview: “We won’t make money at the beginning.” Premier League matches are just about the only major sports property in the U.S. showing any significant long-term growth in a splintering media environment in which executives declare victory when audience sizes remain flat or dip only slightly.

NBCUniversal, which has owned Premier League rights since 2013, outbid 21st Century Fox Inc. and BeInSports—a spinoff of Qatar’s Al Jazeera Media Network—in the most recent Premier League bidding.


Source


I still use my old room mates comcast account details to watch NBC football streams online. Oh and a VPN, its better than any coverage in Canada unless your willing to fork out stupid amounts of money. There is nothing comparable on basic cable to what NBC has now.
fbs
Profile Joined February 2003
United Kingdom2476 Posts
October 30 2015 18:06 GMT
#3337
On October 30 2015 22:55 Eliezar wrote:
He's falling back on an outdated saying that is 20 years outdated.

What are you on about, football is more popular but it hardly makes USA a football nation.
fbs
Profile Joined February 2003
United Kingdom2476 Posts
October 30 2015 18:13 GMT
#3338
On October 30 2015 10:02 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:20 fbs wrote:
Neither Russia or Qatar should have got WC. The WC should not be awarded to Russia because of what they are doing/have done in Ukraine and their attitude to human rights and homosexuals. The amount of racism in Russian football is well known, just ask Hulk. Nobody needs further explanation on Qatar, there isn't a single good reason for the WC going there. I don't think any nation should get it more than once every 40 years and especially not a non football nation like USA. 2018 should be England. 2022 should be Australia. After these two countries then it can go back to the Americas.


The US is probably one of the best places you can host a tournament. How is the US a non football nation anymore than Australia ?

Do you know how little a shit Aussies give about football over Rugby and Aussie rules, possibly even cricket (but only when England is the opponent).

Not saying England shouldnt get it (I think they should) but the reasons would be quite different.

My point was I don't think any nation should get it more than once every 40 years and especially not a non football nation like USA. Aus has never had it so deserves it more.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-30 18:25:43
October 30 2015 18:20 GMT
#3339
On October 31 2015 03:13 fbs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 10:02 Rebs wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:20 fbs wrote:
Neither Russia or Qatar should have got WC. The WC should not be awarded to Russia because of what they are doing/have done in Ukraine and their attitude to human rights and homosexuals. The amount of racism in Russian football is well known, just ask Hulk. Nobody needs further explanation on Qatar, there isn't a single good reason for the WC going there. I don't think any nation should get it more than once every 40 years and especially not a non football nation like USA. 2018 should be England. 2022 should be Australia. After these two countries then it can go back to the Americas.


The US is probably one of the best places you can host a tournament. How is the US a non football nation anymore than Australia ?

Do you know how little a shit Aussies give about football over Rugby and Aussie rules, possibly even cricket (but only when England is the opponent).

Not saying England shouldnt get it (I think they should) but the reasons would be quite different.

My point was I don't think any nation should get it more than once every 40 years and especially not a non football nation like USA. Aus has never had it so deserves it more.


Yeah its fine that you want it rotated around evenly, but calling the US a non football nation is a bit harsh. What exactly is a non football nation? One where its not the most popular sport ?

A country that consistently makes it to the knockout stages of the WC seems like a football nation to me.

Also if your just going to try and explain your point using the exact same words, then you dont have to. We got it the first time.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-30 19:15:35
October 30 2015 19:13 GMT
#3340
The WC in Australia should def happen only major problem is the timezone difference... It's 14 hrs ahead in the US CST. 11 hrs ahead of London time.
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