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On January 22 2017 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 01:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Ugh, I had food poisoning yesterday night. It's been like 4-5 years since that's last happened to me, probably the most uncomfortable and painful non-serious sickness you can have - bent over on the bathroom floor for 4-5 hours in excruciating pain. Do any of you guys use excel to record your lifts? Mind if I see how you record everything, I need a template. Currently I have an extremely bad system where I essentially have a really big matrix, where I put what exercise it is on left in a column, and then my top row is: Day 1 Day 2 Weight, Reps x6 Weight, Reps x6 Naturally this gets way too long, with far too much scrolling left and right. I can't really split it MWF, since I do a different exercises week to week, and I don't even follow a one-week cycle anyway, just to keep it flexible. Just a few days ago I went to this play called InjaNation, and if you guys have ever seen American Ninja Warrior, I ran up that wall! Except one my attempts I didn't have a good run up it, and grinded my knees on the surface - which felt like sandpaper. Also I ended up buying this vest, and it's fantastic: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-40-lb-adjustable-weighted-vest-wvtk244.html#.WIOFfhsrKUkHighly recommended. It's very comfortable and fits the body really well. Really good for pull-ups, planks, push-ups, handstand push-ups, and maybe I'll end up using it for cycling too. Probably too light for dips, but I don't do those. Weighted vests are nice for dips tho even if they are too light, if ur like me and have to hold a 90lbs dumbbell between your legs having the 40lbs on your torso and the remaning 50 between your legs makes it more comfortable xD
Why do you do that to yourself though? O_o Just buy a dip belt for $20-$30:
http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-synthetic-dip-belt-calf-raise-belt-ladipbelttko.html#.WIOWQRsrK70
Surely that's more comfortable, 90lbs for reps there was no discomfort when I used to do them, and my friend used his for a 300lb-350lb weighted dip and didn't even get cut from the belt or anything. Or are you trying to work out your legs while doing dips? S:
I'm just not the biggest fan of dips, fairly easy to injure yourself, and when doing a full RoM, I don't like the position it puts you into, just seems like a lot of unneeded stress on your shoulders (that, and it's a lot of gym real estate to take up for one exercise)
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On January 22 2017 02:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:On January 22 2017 01:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Ugh, I had food poisoning yesterday night. It's been like 4-5 years since that's last happened to me, probably the most uncomfortable and painful non-serious sickness you can have - bent over on the bathroom floor for 4-5 hours in excruciating pain. Do any of you guys use excel to record your lifts? Mind if I see how you record everything, I need a template. Currently I have an extremely bad system where I essentially have a really big matrix, where I put what exercise it is on left in a column, and then my top row is: Day 1 Day 2 Weight, Reps x6 Weight, Reps x6 Naturally this gets way too long, with far too much scrolling left and right. I can't really split it MWF, since I do a different exercises week to week, and I don't even follow a one-week cycle anyway, just to keep it flexible. Just a few days ago I went to this play called InjaNation, and if you guys have ever seen American Ninja Warrior, I ran up that wall! Except one my attempts I didn't have a good run up it, and grinded my knees on the surface - which felt like sandpaper. Also I ended up buying this vest, and it's fantastic: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-40-lb-adjustable-weighted-vest-wvtk244.html#.WIOFfhsrKUkHighly recommended. It's very comfortable and fits the body really well. Really good for pull-ups, planks, push-ups, handstand push-ups, and maybe I'll end up using it for cycling too. Probably too light for dips, but I don't do those. Weighted vests are nice for dips tho even if they are too light, if ur like me and have to hold a 90lbs dumbbell between your legs having the 40lbs on your torso and the remaning 50 between your legs makes it more comfortable xD Why do you do that to yourself though? O_o Just buy a dip belt for $20-$30: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-synthetic-dip-belt-calf-raise-belt-ladipbelttko.html#.WIOWQRsrK70Surely that's more comfortable, 90lbs for reps there was no discomfort when I used to do them, and my friend used his for a 300lb-350lb weighted dip and didn't even get cut from the belt or anything. Or are you trying to work out your legs while doing dips? S: I'm just not the biggest fan of dips, fairly easy to injure yourself, and when doing a full RoM, I don't like the position it puts you into, just seems like a lot of unneeded stress on your shoulders (that, and it's a lot of gym real estate to take up for one exercise)
Do your dips with the weight behind you, that keeps you straight and focuses on the triceps, with little shoulder strain. Dipping is a natural movement, if you can't do it your shoulders are fucked up.
For reference:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BAnYpm_NIQl/?taken-by=fyuseff
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On January 22 2017 02:24 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 02:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:On January 22 2017 01:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Ugh, I had food poisoning yesterday night. It's been like 4-5 years since that's last happened to me, probably the most uncomfortable and painful non-serious sickness you can have - bent over on the bathroom floor for 4-5 hours in excruciating pain. Do any of you guys use excel to record your lifts? Mind if I see how you record everything, I need a template. Currently I have an extremely bad system where I essentially have a really big matrix, where I put what exercise it is on left in a column, and then my top row is: Day 1 Day 2 Weight, Reps x6 Weight, Reps x6 Naturally this gets way too long, with far too much scrolling left and right. I can't really split it MWF, since I do a different exercises week to week, and I don't even follow a one-week cycle anyway, just to keep it flexible. Just a few days ago I went to this play called InjaNation, and if you guys have ever seen American Ninja Warrior, I ran up that wall! Except one my attempts I didn't have a good run up it, and grinded my knees on the surface - which felt like sandpaper. Also I ended up buying this vest, and it's fantastic: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-40-lb-adjustable-weighted-vest-wvtk244.html#.WIOFfhsrKUkHighly recommended. It's very comfortable and fits the body really well. Really good for pull-ups, planks, push-ups, handstand push-ups, and maybe I'll end up using it for cycling too. Probably too light for dips, but I don't do those. Weighted vests are nice for dips tho even if they are too light, if ur like me and have to hold a 90lbs dumbbell between your legs having the 40lbs on your torso and the remaning 50 between your legs makes it more comfortable xD Why do you do that to yourself though? O_o Just buy a dip belt for $20-$30: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-synthetic-dip-belt-calf-raise-belt-ladipbelttko.html#.WIOWQRsrK70Surely that's more comfortable, 90lbs for reps there was no discomfort when I used to do them, and my friend used his for a 300lb-350lb weighted dip and didn't even get cut from the belt or anything. Or are you trying to work out your legs while doing dips? S: I'm just not the biggest fan of dips, fairly easy to injure yourself, and when doing a full RoM, I don't like the position it puts you into, just seems like a lot of unneeded stress on your shoulders (that, and it's a lot of gym real estate to take up for one exercise) Do your dips with the weight behind you, that keeps you straight and focuses on the triceps, with little shoulder strain. Dipping is a natural movement, if you can't do it your shoulders are fucked up. For reference: https://www.instagram.com/p/BAnYpm_NIQl/?taken-by=fyuseff
I did them for a long time, but my shoulders weren't happy with something in my workout.
It's not like it's a useless exercise, since otherwise nobody would do it, but my mentality is if there's something that can do the job just as well, but in a safer way, then you should do that.
You have the issue if you're pretty tired already or fatigued, and fail on a rep without responding quickly enough, you're going to pull something. The dip in your video, I don't think of that as a natural motion, even though the dip form is good. Your triceps being perpendicular to your trunk isn't a normal position, most people probably can't even lift their arm that high while keeping their arms close to their body without any weight being added.
Anyway, my anecdotal experience is that, I've read plenty who felt the same way, and so since I'm not an elite level lifter, I'll avoid things that have more risk than almost any exercise if there's alternatives. Heck, even going to youtube videos there will be plenty of people complaining about the safety of them, and if youtube comments talk about safety, you know there can be a significant risk.
My recommendation to anyone who doesn't compete would be to not do dips. At the very least, recognize that increasing RoM is not a good thing on this exercise. Before I was all about ATG squats, touch bar to chest incline bench press... But just be super super careful to not go beyond your range of motion, never go past 90 degrees.
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i like dips coz they seem to do a lot of work that doesn't overlap with bench (i may be wrong)
if you have shoulder problems then doing exercises like this needs to be done carefully and very gradually and hopefully should build strength in that area and help to resolve the underlying issue
i couldnt do 5kg side shoulder raises (like 5 reps or something , idr) because of shoulder problems, like i couldnt raise my arms to the sides of my body or put them behind my head to even grab a bench i was lying on properly. i kept doing it super light for a fucking long time and slowly my shoulders got way way way way stronger and more mobile.
so, i would say to keep doing things that aggrevate your problems, very gently, and because they target the problem area they are maybe the best thing to help fix it over time
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On January 22 2017 02:47 FFGenerations wrote:
i like dips coz they seem to do a lot of work that doesn't overlap with bench (i may be wrong)
if you have shoulder problems then doing exercises like this needs to be done carefully and very gradually and hopefully should build strength in that area and help to resolve the underlying issue
i couldnt do 5kg side shoulder raises (like 5 reps or something , idr) because of shoulder problems, like i couldnt raise my arms to the sides of my body or put them behind my head to even grab a bench i was lying on properly. i kept doing it super light for a fucking long time and slowly my shoulders got way way way way stronger and more mobile.
so, i would say to keep doing things that aggrevate your problems, very gently, and because they target the problem area they are maybe the best thing to help fix it over time
I think decline bench press is very similar, particularly a slightly closer grip than usual.
I would overall disagree with your philosophy. I think if you injure your back, shoulder, knees... Usually the way you want to deal with these injuries is by putting as little strain as you can on them, because they'll never be the same as they used to be.
Side raises are definitely another exercise that is incredibly easy to injure yourself on (any momentum on those is gg), it happened to my workout partner. During my shoulder struggles, side raises definitely suffered, these sharp pains in the shoulder, not fun. But anyway, I think the key to the dip is finding out how far to go and sticking to it, but it's kind of human natural to want to get that full range of motion, whether it's going a tad lower for the squat, getting your head up as high as you can in a pull-up, touching your shoulders in a bicep curl (very unnecessary), etc.
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On January 22 2017 02:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:On January 22 2017 01:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Ugh, I had food poisoning yesterday night. It's been like 4-5 years since that's last happened to me, probably the most uncomfortable and painful non-serious sickness you can have - bent over on the bathroom floor for 4-5 hours in excruciating pain. Do any of you guys use excel to record your lifts? Mind if I see how you record everything, I need a template. Currently I have an extremely bad system where I essentially have a really big matrix, where I put what exercise it is on left in a column, and then my top row is: Day 1 Day 2 Weight, Reps x6 Weight, Reps x6 Naturally this gets way too long, with far too much scrolling left and right. I can't really split it MWF, since I do a different exercises week to week, and I don't even follow a one-week cycle anyway, just to keep it flexible. Just a few days ago I went to this play called InjaNation, and if you guys have ever seen American Ninja Warrior, I ran up that wall! Except one my attempts I didn't have a good run up it, and grinded my knees on the surface - which felt like sandpaper. Also I ended up buying this vest, and it's fantastic: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-40-lb-adjustable-weighted-vest-wvtk244.html#.WIOFfhsrKUkHighly recommended. It's very comfortable and fits the body really well. Really good for pull-ups, planks, push-ups, handstand push-ups, and maybe I'll end up using it for cycling too. Probably too light for dips, but I don't do those. Weighted vests are nice for dips tho even if they are too light, if ur like me and have to hold a 90lbs dumbbell between your legs having the 40lbs on your torso and the remaning 50 between your legs makes it more comfortable xD Why do you do that to yourself though? O_o Just buy a dip belt for $20-$30: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-synthetic-dip-belt-calf-raise-belt-ladipbelttko.html#.WIOWQRsrK70Surely that's more comfortable, 90lbs for reps there was no discomfort when I used to do them, and my friend used his for a 300lb-350lb weighted dip and didn't even get cut from the belt or anything. Or are you trying to work out your legs while doing dips? S: I'm just not the biggest fan of dips, fairly easy to injure yourself, and when doing a full RoM, I don't like the position it puts you into, just seems like a lot of unneeded stress on your shoulders (that, and it's a lot of gym real estate to take up for one exercise)
i actually own a belt im just lazy/forget to bring it sometimes because i have alot of other stuff in my gym bag :D
dips is one of my main pushing excersizes, i love them, never had any discomfort doing them but i work on my shoulder mobility pretty much every day
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Do you guys do tricep or chest dips? There seem to be fairly strong opinions on the internet.
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On January 22 2017 08:01 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Do you guys do tricep or chest dips? There seem to be fairly strong opinions on the internet.
Wow, there's a difference??? Loooooool so much I still need to learn.
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On January 22 2017 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 02:24 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2017 02:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:On January 22 2017 01:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Ugh, I had food poisoning yesterday night. It's been like 4-5 years since that's last happened to me, probably the most uncomfortable and painful non-serious sickness you can have - bent over on the bathroom floor for 4-5 hours in excruciating pain. Do any of you guys use excel to record your lifts? Mind if I see how you record everything, I need a template. Currently I have an extremely bad system where I essentially have a really big matrix, where I put what exercise it is on left in a column, and then my top row is: Day 1 Day 2 Weight, Reps x6 Weight, Reps x6 Naturally this gets way too long, with far too much scrolling left and right. I can't really split it MWF, since I do a different exercises week to week, and I don't even follow a one-week cycle anyway, just to keep it flexible. Just a few days ago I went to this play called InjaNation, and if you guys have ever seen American Ninja Warrior, I ran up that wall! Except one my attempts I didn't have a good run up it, and grinded my knees on the surface - which felt like sandpaper. Also I ended up buying this vest, and it's fantastic: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-40-lb-adjustable-weighted-vest-wvtk244.html#.WIOFfhsrKUkHighly recommended. It's very comfortable and fits the body really well. Really good for pull-ups, planks, push-ups, handstand push-ups, and maybe I'll end up using it for cycling too. Probably too light for dips, but I don't do those. Weighted vests are nice for dips tho even if they are too light, if ur like me and have to hold a 90lbs dumbbell between your legs having the 40lbs on your torso and the remaning 50 between your legs makes it more comfortable xD Why do you do that to yourself though? O_o Just buy a dip belt for $20-$30: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-synthetic-dip-belt-calf-raise-belt-ladipbelttko.html#.WIOWQRsrK70Surely that's more comfortable, 90lbs for reps there was no discomfort when I used to do them, and my friend used his for a 300lb-350lb weighted dip and didn't even get cut from the belt or anything. Or are you trying to work out your legs while doing dips? S: I'm just not the biggest fan of dips, fairly easy to injure yourself, and when doing a full RoM, I don't like the position it puts you into, just seems like a lot of unneeded stress on your shoulders (that, and it's a lot of gym real estate to take up for one exercise) Do your dips with the weight behind you, that keeps you straight and focuses on the triceps, with little shoulder strain. Dipping is a natural movement, if you can't do it your shoulders are fucked up. For reference: https://www.instagram.com/p/BAnYpm_NIQl/?taken-by=fyuseff I did them for a long time, but my shoulders weren't happy with something in my workout. It's not like it's a useless exercise, since otherwise nobody would do it, but my mentality is if there's something that can do the job just as well, but in a safer way, then you should do that. You have the issue if you're pretty tired already or fatigued, and fail on a rep without responding quickly enough, you're going to pull something. The dip in your video, I don't think of that as a natural motion, even though the dip form is good. Your triceps being perpendicular to your trunk isn't a normal position, most people probably can't even lift their arm that high while keeping their arms close to their body without any weight being added. Anyway, my anecdotal experience is that, I've read plenty who felt the same way, and so since I'm not an elite level lifter, I'll avoid things that have more risk than almost any exercise if there's alternatives. Heck, even going to youtube videos there will be plenty of people complaining about the safety of them, and if youtube comments talk about safety, you know there can be a significant risk. My recommendation to anyone who doesn't compete would be to not do dips. At the very least, recognize that increasing RoM is not a good thing on this exercise. Before I was all about ATG squats, touch bar to chest incline bench press... But just be super super careful to not go beyond your range of motion, never go past 90 degrees.
As I said, if you can't do dips your shoulders are fucked up; seems to be your case. You can either skip movements or fix the underlying cause.
Gymnast dip until the ring touches their shoulders, poor mobility is not the exercises fault, it's yours.
Protip: If you can't squat weight on a normal range of motion, you are fucked up aswell. I would go as far as saying that if you can't overhead squat or do bodyweight pistol squats, you are fucked up somewhere.
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On January 22 2017 09:31 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:24 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2017 02:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:On January 22 2017 01:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Ugh, I had food poisoning yesterday night. It's been like 4-5 years since that's last happened to me, probably the most uncomfortable and painful non-serious sickness you can have - bent over on the bathroom floor for 4-5 hours in excruciating pain. Do any of you guys use excel to record your lifts? Mind if I see how you record everything, I need a template. Currently I have an extremely bad system where I essentially have a really big matrix, where I put what exercise it is on left in a column, and then my top row is: Day 1 Day 2 Weight, Reps x6 Weight, Reps x6 Naturally this gets way too long, with far too much scrolling left and right. I can't really split it MWF, since I do a different exercises week to week, and I don't even follow a one-week cycle anyway, just to keep it flexible. Just a few days ago I went to this play called InjaNation, and if you guys have ever seen American Ninja Warrior, I ran up that wall! Except one my attempts I didn't have a good run up it, and grinded my knees on the surface - which felt like sandpaper. Also I ended up buying this vest, and it's fantastic: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-40-lb-adjustable-weighted-vest-wvtk244.html#.WIOFfhsrKUkHighly recommended. It's very comfortable and fits the body really well. Really good for pull-ups, planks, push-ups, handstand push-ups, and maybe I'll end up using it for cycling too. Probably too light for dips, but I don't do those. Weighted vests are nice for dips tho even if they are too light, if ur like me and have to hold a 90lbs dumbbell between your legs having the 40lbs on your torso and the remaning 50 between your legs makes it more comfortable xD Why do you do that to yourself though? O_o Just buy a dip belt for $20-$30: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-synthetic-dip-belt-calf-raise-belt-ladipbelttko.html#.WIOWQRsrK70Surely that's more comfortable, 90lbs for reps there was no discomfort when I used to do them, and my friend used his for a 300lb-350lb weighted dip and didn't even get cut from the belt or anything. Or are you trying to work out your legs while doing dips? S: I'm just not the biggest fan of dips, fairly easy to injure yourself, and when doing a full RoM, I don't like the position it puts you into, just seems like a lot of unneeded stress on your shoulders (that, and it's a lot of gym real estate to take up for one exercise) Do your dips with the weight behind you, that keeps you straight and focuses on the triceps, with little shoulder strain. Dipping is a natural movement, if you can't do it your shoulders are fucked up. For reference: https://www.instagram.com/p/BAnYpm_NIQl/?taken-by=fyuseff I did them for a long time, but my shoulders weren't happy with something in my workout. It's not like it's a useless exercise, since otherwise nobody would do it, but my mentality is if there's something that can do the job just as well, but in a safer way, then you should do that. You have the issue if you're pretty tired already or fatigued, and fail on a rep without responding quickly enough, you're going to pull something. The dip in your video, I don't think of that as a natural motion, even though the dip form is good. Your triceps being perpendicular to your trunk isn't a normal position, most people probably can't even lift their arm that high while keeping their arms close to their body without any weight being added. Anyway, my anecdotal experience is that, I've read plenty who felt the same way, and so since I'm not an elite level lifter, I'll avoid things that have more risk than almost any exercise if there's alternatives. Heck, even going to youtube videos there will be plenty of people complaining about the safety of them, and if youtube comments talk about safety, you know there can be a significant risk. My recommendation to anyone who doesn't compete would be to not do dips. At the very least, recognize that increasing RoM is not a good thing on this exercise. Before I was all about ATG squats, touch bar to chest incline bench press... But just be super super careful to not go beyond your range of motion, never go past 90 degrees. As I said, if you can't do dips your shoulders are fucked up; seems to be your case. You can either skip movements or fix the underlying cause. Gymnast dip until the ring touches their shoulders, poor mobility is not the exercises fault, it's yours. Protip: If you can't squat weight on a normal range of motion, you are fucked up aswell. I would go as far as saying that if you can't overhead squat or do bodyweight pistol squats, you are fucked up somewhere.
I don't think your terminology is right. There's very few people I know that can do pistol squats when they don't actively work on their mobility.
And it's not a I can't do it, it's just I don't think it's good long-term, or at least increasing your risk of injury. Many of the regulars here ended up getting really silly injuries that I warned against earlier on, and it's a kind of a "I told you so" kind of thing. Now I see way larger focus on taking care of the body in this thread compared to 2-3 years back.
You tend to use the "I didn't get injured, so everyone else must be fucked up" mentality to a lot things that people say. But even if you look at dip videos online, read comments... You'll see that many people do injure themselves, almost everyone complaining about their shoulders talks about dips. Some surely is genetic, for example your nerves, and some people's nerves can get pinched easier than others, simply due to slightly different joint geometries, or ever so slightly poor form, etc.
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On January 22 2017 09:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 09:31 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2017 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:24 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2017 02:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:On January 22 2017 01:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Ugh, I had food poisoning yesterday night. It's been like 4-5 years since that's last happened to me, probably the most uncomfortable and painful non-serious sickness you can have - bent over on the bathroom floor for 4-5 hours in excruciating pain. Do any of you guys use excel to record your lifts? Mind if I see how you record everything, I need a template. Currently I have an extremely bad system where I essentially have a really big matrix, where I put what exercise it is on left in a column, and then my top row is: Day 1 Day 2 Weight, Reps x6 Weight, Reps x6 Naturally this gets way too long, with far too much scrolling left and right. I can't really split it MWF, since I do a different exercises week to week, and I don't even follow a one-week cycle anyway, just to keep it flexible. Just a few days ago I went to this play called InjaNation, and if you guys have ever seen American Ninja Warrior, I ran up that wall! Except one my attempts I didn't have a good run up it, and grinded my knees on the surface - which felt like sandpaper. Also I ended up buying this vest, and it's fantastic: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-40-lb-adjustable-weighted-vest-wvtk244.html#.WIOFfhsrKUkHighly recommended. It's very comfortable and fits the body really well. Really good for pull-ups, planks, push-ups, handstand push-ups, and maybe I'll end up using it for cycling too. Probably too light for dips, but I don't do those. Weighted vests are nice for dips tho even if they are too light, if ur like me and have to hold a 90lbs dumbbell between your legs having the 40lbs on your torso and the remaning 50 between your legs makes it more comfortable xD Why do you do that to yourself though? O_o Just buy a dip belt for $20-$30: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-synthetic-dip-belt-calf-raise-belt-ladipbelttko.html#.WIOWQRsrK70Surely that's more comfortable, 90lbs for reps there was no discomfort when I used to do them, and my friend used his for a 300lb-350lb weighted dip and didn't even get cut from the belt or anything. Or are you trying to work out your legs while doing dips? S: I'm just not the biggest fan of dips, fairly easy to injure yourself, and when doing a full RoM, I don't like the position it puts you into, just seems like a lot of unneeded stress on your shoulders (that, and it's a lot of gym real estate to take up for one exercise) Do your dips with the weight behind you, that keeps you straight and focuses on the triceps, with little shoulder strain. Dipping is a natural movement, if you can't do it your shoulders are fucked up. For reference: https://www.instagram.com/p/BAnYpm_NIQl/?taken-by=fyuseff I did them for a long time, but my shoulders weren't happy with something in my workout. It's not like it's a useless exercise, since otherwise nobody would do it, but my mentality is if there's something that can do the job just as well, but in a safer way, then you should do that. You have the issue if you're pretty tired already or fatigued, and fail on a rep without responding quickly enough, you're going to pull something. The dip in your video, I don't think of that as a natural motion, even though the dip form is good. Your triceps being perpendicular to your trunk isn't a normal position, most people probably can't even lift their arm that high while keeping their arms close to their body without any weight being added. Anyway, my anecdotal experience is that, I've read plenty who felt the same way, and so since I'm not an elite level lifter, I'll avoid things that have more risk than almost any exercise if there's alternatives. Heck, even going to youtube videos there will be plenty of people complaining about the safety of them, and if youtube comments talk about safety, you know there can be a significant risk. My recommendation to anyone who doesn't compete would be to not do dips. At the very least, recognize that increasing RoM is not a good thing on this exercise. Before I was all about ATG squats, touch bar to chest incline bench press... But just be super super careful to not go beyond your range of motion, never go past 90 degrees. As I said, if you can't do dips your shoulders are fucked up; seems to be your case. You can either skip movements or fix the underlying cause. Gymnast dip until the ring touches their shoulders, poor mobility is not the exercises fault, it's yours. Protip: If you can't squat weight on a normal range of motion, you are fucked up aswell. I would go as far as saying that if you can't overhead squat or do bodyweight pistol squats, you are fucked up somewhere. Some surely is genetic, for example your nerves, and some people's nerves can get pinched easier than others, simply due to slightly different joint geometries, or ever so slightly poor form, etc.
lol rip my forearm that randomly gets a pinched nerve doing ohp
i gave up with mobility. now i just put 20kg weight under my heels. wtvr
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On January 22 2017 09:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 09:31 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2017 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:24 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2017 02:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:On January 22 2017 01:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Ugh, I had food poisoning yesterday night. It's been like 4-5 years since that's last happened to me, probably the most uncomfortable and painful non-serious sickness you can have - bent over on the bathroom floor for 4-5 hours in excruciating pain. Do any of you guys use excel to record your lifts? Mind if I see how you record everything, I need a template. Currently I have an extremely bad system where I essentially have a really big matrix, where I put what exercise it is on left in a column, and then my top row is: Day 1 Day 2 Weight, Reps x6 Weight, Reps x6 Naturally this gets way too long, with far too much scrolling left and right. I can't really split it MWF, since I do a different exercises week to week, and I don't even follow a one-week cycle anyway, just to keep it flexible. Just a few days ago I went to this play called InjaNation, and if you guys have ever seen American Ninja Warrior, I ran up that wall! Except one my attempts I didn't have a good run up it, and grinded my knees on the surface - which felt like sandpaper. Also I ended up buying this vest, and it's fantastic: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-40-lb-adjustable-weighted-vest-wvtk244.html#.WIOFfhsrKUkHighly recommended. It's very comfortable and fits the body really well. Really good for pull-ups, planks, push-ups, handstand push-ups, and maybe I'll end up using it for cycling too. Probably too light for dips, but I don't do those. Weighted vests are nice for dips tho even if they are too light, if ur like me and have to hold a 90lbs dumbbell between your legs having the 40lbs on your torso and the remaning 50 between your legs makes it more comfortable xD Why do you do that to yourself though? O_o Just buy a dip belt for $20-$30: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-synthetic-dip-belt-calf-raise-belt-ladipbelttko.html#.WIOWQRsrK70Surely that's more comfortable, 90lbs for reps there was no discomfort when I used to do them, and my friend used his for a 300lb-350lb weighted dip and didn't even get cut from the belt or anything. Or are you trying to work out your legs while doing dips? S: I'm just not the biggest fan of dips, fairly easy to injure yourself, and when doing a full RoM, I don't like the position it puts you into, just seems like a lot of unneeded stress on your shoulders (that, and it's a lot of gym real estate to take up for one exercise) Do your dips with the weight behind you, that keeps you straight and focuses on the triceps, with little shoulder strain. Dipping is a natural movement, if you can't do it your shoulders are fucked up. For reference: https://www.instagram.com/p/BAnYpm_NIQl/?taken-by=fyuseff I did them for a long time, but my shoulders weren't happy with something in my workout. It's not like it's a useless exercise, since otherwise nobody would do it, but my mentality is if there's something that can do the job just as well, but in a safer way, then you should do that. You have the issue if you're pretty tired already or fatigued, and fail on a rep without responding quickly enough, you're going to pull something. The dip in your video, I don't think of that as a natural motion, even though the dip form is good. Your triceps being perpendicular to your trunk isn't a normal position, most people probably can't even lift their arm that high while keeping their arms close to their body without any weight being added. Anyway, my anecdotal experience is that, I've read plenty who felt the same way, and so since I'm not an elite level lifter, I'll avoid things that have more risk than almost any exercise if there's alternatives. Heck, even going to youtube videos there will be plenty of people complaining about the safety of them, and if youtube comments talk about safety, you know there can be a significant risk. My recommendation to anyone who doesn't compete would be to not do dips. At the very least, recognize that increasing RoM is not a good thing on this exercise. Before I was all about ATG squats, touch bar to chest incline bench press... But just be super super careful to not go beyond your range of motion, never go past 90 degrees. As I said, if you can't do dips your shoulders are fucked up; seems to be your case. You can either skip movements or fix the underlying cause. Gymnast dip until the ring touches their shoulders, poor mobility is not the exercises fault, it's yours. Protip: If you can't squat weight on a normal range of motion, you are fucked up aswell. I would go as far as saying that if you can't overhead squat or do bodyweight pistol squats, you are fucked up somewhere. I don't think your terminology is right. There's very few people I know that can do pistol squats when they don't actively work on their mobility. And it's not a I can't do it, it's just I don't think it's good long-term, or at least increasing your risk of injury. Many of the regulars here ended up getting really silly injuries that I warned against earlier on, and it's a kind of a "I told you so" kind of thing. Now I see way larger focus on taking care of the body in this thread compared to 2-3 years back. You tend to use the "I didn't get injured, so everyone else must be fucked up" mentality to a lot things that people say. But even if you look at dip videos online, read comments... You'll see that many people do injure themselves, almost everyone complaining about their shoulders talks about dips. Some surely is genetic, for example your nerves, and some people's nerves can get pinched easier than others, simply due to slightly different joint geometries, or ever so slightly poor form, etc.
there's very few people i know who don't have fucked up mobility that don't actively work on their mobility.
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On January 22 2017 09:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 09:31 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2017 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:24 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2017 02:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:On January 22 2017 01:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Ugh, I had food poisoning yesterday night. It's been like 4-5 years since that's last happened to me, probably the most uncomfortable and painful non-serious sickness you can have - bent over on the bathroom floor for 4-5 hours in excruciating pain. Do any of you guys use excel to record your lifts? Mind if I see how you record everything, I need a template. Currently I have an extremely bad system where I essentially have a really big matrix, where I put what exercise it is on left in a column, and then my top row is: Day 1 Day 2 Weight, Reps x6 Weight, Reps x6 Naturally this gets way too long, with far too much scrolling left and right. I can't really split it MWF, since I do a different exercises week to week, and I don't even follow a one-week cycle anyway, just to keep it flexible. Just a few days ago I went to this play called InjaNation, and if you guys have ever seen American Ninja Warrior, I ran up that wall! Except one my attempts I didn't have a good run up it, and grinded my knees on the surface - which felt like sandpaper. Also I ended up buying this vest, and it's fantastic: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-40-lb-adjustable-weighted-vest-wvtk244.html#.WIOFfhsrKUkHighly recommended. It's very comfortable and fits the body really well. Really good for pull-ups, planks, push-ups, handstand push-ups, and maybe I'll end up using it for cycling too. Probably too light for dips, but I don't do those. Weighted vests are nice for dips tho even if they are too light, if ur like me and have to hold a 90lbs dumbbell between your legs having the 40lbs on your torso and the remaning 50 between your legs makes it more comfortable xD Why do you do that to yourself though? O_o Just buy a dip belt for $20-$30: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-synthetic-dip-belt-calf-raise-belt-ladipbelttko.html#.WIOWQRsrK70Surely that's more comfortable, 90lbs for reps there was no discomfort when I used to do them, and my friend used his for a 300lb-350lb weighted dip and didn't even get cut from the belt or anything. Or are you trying to work out your legs while doing dips? S: I'm just not the biggest fan of dips, fairly easy to injure yourself, and when doing a full RoM, I don't like the position it puts you into, just seems like a lot of unneeded stress on your shoulders (that, and it's a lot of gym real estate to take up for one exercise) Do your dips with the weight behind you, that keeps you straight and focuses on the triceps, with little shoulder strain. Dipping is a natural movement, if you can't do it your shoulders are fucked up. For reference: https://www.instagram.com/p/BAnYpm_NIQl/?taken-by=fyuseff I did them for a long time, but my shoulders weren't happy with something in my workout. It's not like it's a useless exercise, since otherwise nobody would do it, but my mentality is if there's something that can do the job just as well, but in a safer way, then you should do that. You have the issue if you're pretty tired already or fatigued, and fail on a rep without responding quickly enough, you're going to pull something. The dip in your video, I don't think of that as a natural motion, even though the dip form is good. Your triceps being perpendicular to your trunk isn't a normal position, most people probably can't even lift their arm that high while keeping their arms close to their body without any weight being added. Anyway, my anecdotal experience is that, I've read plenty who felt the same way, and so since I'm not an elite level lifter, I'll avoid things that have more risk than almost any exercise if there's alternatives. Heck, even going to youtube videos there will be plenty of people complaining about the safety of them, and if youtube comments talk about safety, you know there can be a significant risk. My recommendation to anyone who doesn't compete would be to not do dips. At the very least, recognize that increasing RoM is not a good thing on this exercise. Before I was all about ATG squats, touch bar to chest incline bench press... But just be super super careful to not go beyond your range of motion, never go past 90 degrees. As I said, if you can't do dips your shoulders are fucked up; seems to be your case. You can either skip movements or fix the underlying cause. Gymnast dip until the ring touches their shoulders, poor mobility is not the exercises fault, it's yours. Protip: If you can't squat weight on a normal range of motion, you are fucked up aswell. I would go as far as saying that if you can't overhead squat or do bodyweight pistol squats, you are fucked up somewhere. I don't think your terminology is right. There's very few people I know that can do pistol squats when they don't actively work on their mobility. And it's not a I can't do it, it's just I don't think it's good long-term, or at least increasing your risk of injury. Many of the regulars here ended up getting really silly injuries that I warned against earlier on, and it's a kind of a "I told you so" kind of thing. Now I see way larger focus on taking care of the body in this thread compared to 2-3 years back. You tend to use the "I didn't get injured, so everyone else must be fucked up" mentality to a lot things that people say. But even if you look at dip videos online, read comments... You'll see that many people do injure themselves, almost everyone complaining about their shoulders talks about dips. Some surely is genetic, for example your nerves, and some people's nerves can get pinched easier than others, simply due to slightly different joint geometries, or ever so slightly poor form, etc.
Huh, no, my point is:
"If your shoulders hurt when doing dips, you have poor mobility and need to fix it"
Your point seems to be:
"Dips hurt, dips are bad" to which my reply would be: "Dips hurt because you have poor mobility; fix your mobility, your shoulders, and then you can do dips".
When I switched to crossfit there were various movements I simply could not do, and working actively on my flexibility and accesory work has made my body overall more flexible and healthier. Full snatches, Dumbell Snatches, Pistols, jogging, even bar muscle ups.
I fully remember needing to warm up for an hour or more to be able to back squat (back when I did powerlifting) painlessly, while now I can even do it without my oly shoes (If I need to) after a general warm up and maybe some joint specific stuff if I'm stiff from training the day before (ankles usually)
I do fully understand and agree that (over)doing movements to which you are not prepared is a recipe for injury. However, rather than avoiding them altogether, one should recognize the problem and gradualy build into them.
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I've been avoiding dips for years because they always hurt like fuck and my biceps tendonitis flares up. Turns out I was just doing them wrong lol (leaning way too forward). Now I'm doing sets of ten without pain.
And it's not a I can't do it, it's just I don't think it's good long-term, or at least increasing your risk of injury. Many of the regulars here ended up getting really silly injuries that I warned against earlier on, and it's a kind of a "I told you so" kind of thing. Now I see way larger focus on taking care of the body in this thread compared to 2-3 years back.
You tend to use the "I didn't get injured, so everyone else must be fucked up" mentality to a lot things that people say. But even if you look at dip videos online, read comments... You'll see that many people do injure themselves, almost everyone complaining about their shoulders talks about dips. Some surely is genetic, for example your nerves, and some people's nerves can get pinched easier than others, simply due to slightly different joint geometries, or ever so slightly poor form, etc
Lol what? Who here is getting injuries that you warned against?
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Also, PR 375 lb front squat yesterday morning after partying til 5 am lols. Going out might as well be part of my taper for my meet in a few weeks. I was only able to hit 180kg normal FS on monday when I was rested and feeling great.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPk-Z5vDt34/
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so much psychological shit going on that boosts or decreases your performance
pretty much the definition of "sub conscious"
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On January 22 2017 09:31 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:24 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2017 02:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:On January 22 2017 01:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Ugh, I had food poisoning yesterday night. It's been like 4-5 years since that's last happened to me, probably the most uncomfortable and painful non-serious sickness you can have - bent over on the bathroom floor for 4-5 hours in excruciating pain. Do any of you guys use excel to record your lifts? Mind if I see how you record everything, I need a template. Currently I have an extremely bad system where I essentially have a really big matrix, where I put what exercise it is on left in a column, and then my top row is: Day 1 Day 2 Weight, Reps x6 Weight, Reps x6 Naturally this gets way too long, with far too much scrolling left and right. I can't really split it MWF, since I do a different exercises week to week, and I don't even follow a one-week cycle anyway, just to keep it flexible. Just a few days ago I went to this play called InjaNation, and if you guys have ever seen American Ninja Warrior, I ran up that wall! Except one my attempts I didn't have a good run up it, and grinded my knees on the surface - which felt like sandpaper. Also I ended up buying this vest, and it's fantastic: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-40-lb-adjustable-weighted-vest-wvtk244.html#.WIOFfhsrKUkHighly recommended. It's very comfortable and fits the body really well. Really good for pull-ups, planks, push-ups, handstand push-ups, and maybe I'll end up using it for cycling too. Probably too light for dips, but I don't do those. Weighted vests are nice for dips tho even if they are too light, if ur like me and have to hold a 90lbs dumbbell between your legs having the 40lbs on your torso and the remaning 50 between your legs makes it more comfortable xD Why do you do that to yourself though? O_o Just buy a dip belt for $20-$30: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-synthetic-dip-belt-calf-raise-belt-ladipbelttko.html#.WIOWQRsrK70Surely that's more comfortable, 90lbs for reps there was no discomfort when I used to do them, and my friend used his for a 300lb-350lb weighted dip and didn't even get cut from the belt or anything. Or are you trying to work out your legs while doing dips? S: I'm just not the biggest fan of dips, fairly easy to injure yourself, and when doing a full RoM, I don't like the position it puts you into, just seems like a lot of unneeded stress on your shoulders (that, and it's a lot of gym real estate to take up for one exercise) Do your dips with the weight behind you, that keeps you straight and focuses on the triceps, with little shoulder strain. Dipping is a natural movement, if you can't do it your shoulders are fucked up. For reference: https://www.instagram.com/p/BAnYpm_NIQl/?taken-by=fyuseff I did them for a long time, but my shoulders weren't happy with something in my workout. It's not like it's a useless exercise, since otherwise nobody would do it, but my mentality is if there's something that can do the job just as well, but in a safer way, then you should do that. You have the issue if you're pretty tired already or fatigued, and fail on a rep without responding quickly enough, you're going to pull something. The dip in your video, I don't think of that as a natural motion, even though the dip form is good. Your triceps being perpendicular to your trunk isn't a normal position, most people probably can't even lift their arm that high while keeping their arms close to their body without any weight being added. Anyway, my anecdotal experience is that, I've read plenty who felt the same way, and so since I'm not an elite level lifter, I'll avoid things that have more risk than almost any exercise if there's alternatives. Heck, even going to youtube videos there will be plenty of people complaining about the safety of them, and if youtube comments talk about safety, you know there can be a significant risk. My recommendation to anyone who doesn't compete would be to not do dips. At the very least, recognize that increasing RoM is not a good thing on this exercise. Before I was all about ATG squats, touch bar to chest incline bench press... But just be super super careful to not go beyond your range of motion, never go past 90 degrees. As I said, if you can't do dips your shoulders are fucked up; seems to be your case. You can either skip movements or fix the underlying cause. Gymnast dip until the ring touches their shoulders, poor mobility is not the exercises fault, it's yours. Protip: If you can't squat weight on a normal range of motion, you are fucked up aswell. I would go as far as saying that if you can't overhead squat or do bodyweight pistol squats, you are fucked up somewhere.
I always do every excersize in as big of a ROM i can, even weighted ones. Weighted pullups: to fully extended elbows and elevated scapula at the bottom of each rep. My hands are pretty close to my shoulders even when doing 90lbs weighted dips.
IMO, if people cannot do a movement with full ROM they have no business adding weight to it. Fix the mobility issues and get strong through the entire range, then add weight 
A lot of "that is bad because it hurts" is usually a symptom of poor mobility. There are some cases where certain individuals cannot perform certain movements based on anatomy. If you cannot do dips your shoulders need fixing, if you cannot do pistol squats you probably have mobility issues in the hips or ankles.
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I think people don't really know what full RoM means, like who decides what is full range of motion.
I can do my squats in socks, and my butt goes down around 10cm above the floor while keeping my back straight, is that considered full RoM? I can do dips (without pain) up to a 45 degree angle between my forearm and bicep, still full RoM? When doing dumbbell press I can go say 5cm below my chest, does that mean that every bench press I do is not full range of motion because my chest is in the way? I can do deadlifts while being on a block a foot off the ground, does that mean that all normal deadlifts I do are garbage?
Yes, my tone here is a tad aggressive, but for some stupid reason, people think that more range of motion = better. Our bodies aren't designed to be strong in really absurd positions. There isn't some magic line where RoM is crap, and then your RoM is perfect, it's all on a sliding scale. Exercises like dips are on the very edge of that continuum where strength can be developed, you go a bit lower, and you reach a point where strength can't be developed, and you injure yourself. Or you have injured yourself in the past, and that limits your new practical RoM, or you had not ideal genetics for it.
To me it's just absurd how we're talking about range of motion like you're fucked up if you can't do a certain movement. Like every single person here is fucked up when you're comparing themselves to a contortionist, or most weightlifters are pretty bad compared to the crossfit people.
Then there's things too consider, like generally speaking, when you increase range of motion, you're going to decrease strength on your lifts, for example squatting to parallel for 1 year versus squatting 20 degrees below parallel for 1 year, the person squatting to parallel will be quite a bit stronger than the person squatting to 20 degrees below parallel (and switching to parallel to see who's stronger).
To me, the mentality in this thread seems to be about practical strength, and so when talking about practical movements, we never really squat ATG, so it's not a movement that really needs to be given much attention. Even think about when you're lifting something, you're never really going below parallel with your squats. When you're pushing something, you're never really start pushing with your hands at your chest, etc.
So what constitutes "full RoM" is very fabricated - and all that we can easily generalize is that the more increase your RoM, the more unnatural positions you're reaching, and the easier it is to injure yourself in those positions. Some are injuries that everyone will receive, like trying to do a bench press with elbows completely flared out and going to your neck, or doing deadlifts with an arched back (even though your muscles are telling you nothing is wrong)... Then there's some exercises that depend quite a bit on genetics, and very precise form. Exercies depending on genetics are things like knee, elbow, and shoulder injuries, because slightly different geometries in the body can make a big difference. Going a bit past the RoM here can quickly injure you, so stuff like dips, incline bench press, flies, potentially squats if your knees are too far forward, lat raises, deadlifts, good mornings, etc.
Also the other difference between joint injuries and muscle injuries is that if you go a bit past your RoM on an exercise where you slightly pull a muscle, you'll feel a bad sore, but it's a lot easier to measure when you're going too far. Joint injuries on the other hand are a "you're fine you're fine, and then bam, nasty injury where you'll struggle to lift your arm up for 2 months". Also, unlike muscles, cartilage in your joints doesn't repair itself like your muscles. Think of it like you get only one joint, and you wear it out more and more. There's a reason why runners have far more knee injuries than their normal non-running counterparts. Muscles you can strengthen with exercise, joints much less so.
Injuring a joint like a shoulder leads to joint instability because the ligaments aren't all the exact exact same length they were originally. Doing exercise on a joint that has instability, is going to wear away your cartilage even faster (hence why the approach isn't the same as treating a muscle injury). Putting your joint in positions that it isn't designed well for will also wear it out faster. Ligaments and tendons don't increase strength anywhere as much as muscles with training either, and is also the primary reason why elite level bodybuilders and powerlifters reduce their range of motion as they lift heavier weights. Because maybe squatting 225lbs with ATG will be fine (or a slow detriment) to your joints, 400lbs might not be. And once you mess your joints up, you're never going to fix them (though strengthening them a bit is possible), they'll only ache more when you're older.
This is my motivation for saying some of this stuff is risky, and you might not notice the impacts for a while. For example, when I was doing dips, everything was completely okay for say 1 year, same as running injuries, or elbow injuries like tennis elbow. Sure, my form wasn't the best form you've ever seen, but by no means was it awful, and it still led to shoulder pain for me. If I do dips now, my body doesn't hurt, but I would imagine that if I kept it up for longer periods of time of increasing intensity and a large RoM, it would come back. My view is that you want to strengthen your muscles as much as you can, while putting the lowest possible stress on your joints that you can. It's for these reasons why I'm giving a big word of caution to people about dips, and using alternatives when they can.
@decaf See, when someone like you decaf was struggling with dips for a long time, chances are that many less dedicated people do too. Also, our brains are only able to respond to short-term pain, it's difficult for us to see whether we're injuring our body long-term. There's a good chance that if your body was so unhappy with your dips, and then you tilted your body 10-20 degrees towards vertical, it'll still be unhappy with something, just wont tell you yet.
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On January 22 2017 09:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 09:31 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2017 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:24 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2017 02:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 22 2017 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:On January 22 2017 01:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Ugh, I had food poisoning yesterday night. It's been like 4-5 years since that's last happened to me, probably the most uncomfortable and painful non-serious sickness you can have - bent over on the bathroom floor for 4-5 hours in excruciating pain. Do any of you guys use excel to record your lifts? Mind if I see how you record everything, I need a template. Currently I have an extremely bad system where I essentially have a really big matrix, where I put what exercise it is on left in a column, and then my top row is: Day 1 Day 2 Weight, Reps x6 Weight, Reps x6 Naturally this gets way too long, with far too much scrolling left and right. I can't really split it MWF, since I do a different exercises week to week, and I don't even follow a one-week cycle anyway, just to keep it flexible. Just a few days ago I went to this play called InjaNation, and if you guys have ever seen American Ninja Warrior, I ran up that wall! Except one my attempts I didn't have a good run up it, and grinded my knees on the surface - which felt like sandpaper. Also I ended up buying this vest, and it's fantastic: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-40-lb-adjustable-weighted-vest-wvtk244.html#.WIOFfhsrKUkHighly recommended. It's very comfortable and fits the body really well. Really good for pull-ups, planks, push-ups, handstand push-ups, and maybe I'll end up using it for cycling too. Probably too light for dips, but I don't do those. Weighted vests are nice for dips tho even if they are too light, if ur like me and have to hold a 90lbs dumbbell between your legs having the 40lbs on your torso and the remaning 50 between your legs makes it more comfortable xD Why do you do that to yourself though? O_o Just buy a dip belt for $20-$30: http://www.fitnessdepot.ca/C11FCA690367/tko-synthetic-dip-belt-calf-raise-belt-ladipbelttko.html#.WIOWQRsrK70Surely that's more comfortable, 90lbs for reps there was no discomfort when I used to do them, and my friend used his for a 300lb-350lb weighted dip and didn't even get cut from the belt or anything. Or are you trying to work out your legs while doing dips? S: I'm just not the biggest fan of dips, fairly easy to injure yourself, and when doing a full RoM, I don't like the position it puts you into, just seems like a lot of unneeded stress on your shoulders (that, and it's a lot of gym real estate to take up for one exercise) Do your dips with the weight behind you, that keeps you straight and focuses on the triceps, with little shoulder strain. Dipping is a natural movement, if you can't do it your shoulders are fucked up. For reference: https://www.instagram.com/p/BAnYpm_NIQl/?taken-by=fyuseff I did them for a long time, but my shoulders weren't happy with something in my workout. It's not like it's a useless exercise, since otherwise nobody would do it, but my mentality is if there's something that can do the job just as well, but in a safer way, then you should do that. You have the issue if you're pretty tired already or fatigued, and fail on a rep without responding quickly enough, you're going to pull something. The dip in your video, I don't think of that as a natural motion, even though the dip form is good. Your triceps being perpendicular to your trunk isn't a normal position, most people probably can't even lift their arm that high while keeping their arms close to their body without any weight being added. Anyway, my anecdotal experience is that, I've read plenty who felt the same way, and so since I'm not an elite level lifter, I'll avoid things that have more risk than almost any exercise if there's alternatives. Heck, even going to youtube videos there will be plenty of people complaining about the safety of them, and if youtube comments talk about safety, you know there can be a significant risk. My recommendation to anyone who doesn't compete would be to not do dips. At the very least, recognize that increasing RoM is not a good thing on this exercise. Before I was all about ATG squats, touch bar to chest incline bench press... But just be super super careful to not go beyond your range of motion, never go past 90 degrees. As I said, if you can't do dips your shoulders are fucked up; seems to be your case. You can either skip movements or fix the underlying cause. Gymnast dip until the ring touches their shoulders, poor mobility is not the exercises fault, it's yours. Protip: If you can't squat weight on a normal range of motion, you are fucked up aswell. I would go as far as saying that if you can't overhead squat or do bodyweight pistol squats, you are fucked up somewhere. I don't think your terminology is right. There's very few people I know that can do pistol squats when they don't actively work on their mobility. And it's not a I can't do it, it's just I don't think it's good long-term, or at least increasing your risk of injury. Many of the regulars here ended up getting really silly injuries that I warned against earlier on, and it's a kind of a "I told you so" kind of thing. Now I see way larger focus on taking care of the body in this thread compared to 2-3 years back. You tend to use the "I didn't get injured, so everyone else must be fucked up" mentality to a lot things that people say. But even if you look at dip videos online, read comments... You'll see that many people do injure themselves, almost everyone complaining about their shoulders talks about dips. Some surely is genetic, for example your nerves, and some people's nerves can get pinched easier than others, simply due to slightly different joint geometries, or ever so slightly poor form, etc.
I have a fucked up shoulder. I can't touch my chest on an incline bench, I can only do light DB overhead work, and I can't OHP a barbell AT ALL. Dips on the other hand feel great on my shoulders, and I actually credit them as a big part of improving my shoulder health. I go quite low, even past 90 degrees at the upper arm, and do both tricep and chest versions. The only thing is that I go relatively light on them, never under 8 reps per set, and I do them after flat bench but before any other related work so I'm not particularly fatigued beforehand.
W/R/T pistol squats, I think it's fairly normal to not have the balance to do them, but if you can't get down into that position it's because you have worse than normal mobility, not because the people who can get down there are anything special.
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that huge wall of text collapses onto itself from too many angles to warrant a complete response but you've been on and on about this "wearing your body out through exercise" for months now. im sure you have figured out the perfect balance and will maintain your healthy and working body until you are a centenarian. you should start commercialization of your longevity program now. can you imagine 80 years of compounded growth on that shit to enjoy with your limber but not too limber, strong but not too strong 120 year old body?
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EPT
