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On December 09 2016 06:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Those studies are bad and don't consider anything I was saying.
You're comparing people who sit on their ass all day, and people who walk essentially. The people in this experiment don't workout in the sense that people in this thread do.
Doing a study on what I'm saying is difficult, because you have to follow people throughout their life, my argument is that if you weigh 200lbs due to high muscle when you're 20-45, that's going to have a negative impact on your organs that will be seen later in your life.
The studies are both very disconnect from what I'm saying. Strength training is very different from what government programs consider as physical activity. So yeah, I think those studies are garbage at getting an understanding of how strength training affects people.
For what I'm proposing, I think fully controlled experiments on animals are infinitely more useful than these studies on people, which you guys seem to disagree with. Obtaining valuable empirical evidence is too difficult, and you're better off creating a model and simulating that.
You don't have an argument. You're spouting off unfounded bullshit without any sources as if it's an accepted truth.
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On December 09 2016 06:33 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 06:13 Aerisky wrote:On December 09 2016 00:05 decafchicken wrote:On December 08 2016 09:45 decafchicken wrote:On December 08 2016 08:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I agree with the conclusion Jimmy, but my impression is that by having more body mass, it means that your heart has to work more, your lungs have to work more, your liver, everything, since your body does more work.
By doing more work, your cells need to be repaired and duplicated more, which in the end is what ends up killing you.
There's certainly trade-offs, like having to move a lot of blood, versus having clogged arteries, and where exactly the sweetspot is. Too many variables to control for, but I think the skinny guy who goes for a run here and there, and will go play a sport with his friend recreationally has the best odds for living the longest assuming the other stuff in his life is in order. I'm talking about someone who if 5'9" would weigh like 120-135lbs.
Same idea as why women live longer than men, and no, more men smoking, drinking, and hurting themselves doesn't explain the whole story, female monkeys live longer than males as well.
Again, it's a reasonably well established fact of science, but I'm merely sharing it as my opinion to relieve me of my responsibility to justify it. A recent, very large meta-analysis has shaken the epidemiological community by showing that the lowest inflection point for the BMI–mortality curve (its nadir) lays in the overweight range (62). From The NLM. Tell me more about this well-established science. In a representative sample of the US population, higher LTPA(leisure time physical activity) levels and lean body mass were associated with lower mortality in those without kidney disease. In CKD(chronic kidney disease), higher LTPA was associated with lower risk of death. There was no association between adiposity measures and death in those with and without CKD except for lower mortality associated with overweight among those without CKD. The data suggests the need to develop programs to facilitate an increase in physical activity in people with and without kidney disease. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4099406/After accounting for baseline lifestyle factors and medical conditions, a higher risk of mortality was found for men with weight loss (HR 1.84, 95%CI 1.50, 2.26), total lean mass loss (HR 1.78, 95% CI 1.45, 2.19) and total fat mass loss (HR 1.72, 95% CI 1.34, 2.20) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3403719/All the research I've been able to find shows that lower body mass = higher mortality. Seems that more LBM especially decreases mortality and even overall increased body mass (including people in the overweight BMI) regardless of LBM decreases mortality. FUCK as a 118 5'10" guy i need to start gaining weight Don't worry. You'll gain weight. Just make sure it's the right kind.
True. My dad's pretty fat now and he was ludicrously skinny back in the day. Just gotta make sure the weight I put on is the right kind ya @.@
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When doing bench presses, what angle should your arm at the shoulder be at the bottom of the motion? 90 degrees or kinda tucked in like when doing push-ups?
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raise your hands parallel to your breast and pull your shoulders back behind you, your elbows follow that in a natural path. a close grip bench would be closer to your pushup i guess, so try widening your grip a bit. you can use a wide grip to work your chest more and close grip to hit your triceps harder, but generally i use a medium/wide grip (to get a bit of everything involved)
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I wear a rubber band around mine.
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Canada8159 Posts
'Tis the season to be bulking
Fa la la la la, la la la la
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fuck it i'll go for a run before the DC game, then i can justify this mania 
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I've fucked up my deadlift. I was trying to do that lock in thing and I think I'm starting with my knees way too bent. They should probably be at least 100 degrees, right? I'll just go lighter until I can recreate that feeling I had of pushing away the ground.
In other pathetic news, I was able to do 3x5 pullups, which is sad for someone so light.
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On December 10 2016 10:42 Jerubaal wrote:
I've fucked up my deadlift. I was trying to do that lock in thing and I think I'm starting with my knees way too bent. They should probably be at least 100 degrees, right? I'll just go lighter until I can recreate that feeling I had of pushing away the ground.
In other pathetic news, I was able to do 3x5 pullups, which is sad for someone so light.
Gotta start somewhere though, alot of ppl cannot even do a single one
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Canada8159 Posts
that's a whole lot of cringe
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what's cringe about it? the huge variation?
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ehh i was getting ready to decide whether i was 30% or 25% but they never went up that far
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What's this guy's credentials? He seems to be trying to be scientific, but I'm not sure he has a 100% grasp of it.
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Canada8159 Posts
On December 12 2016 07:54 IgnE wrote:
what's cringe about it? the huge variation?
his editing of the video
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meh the source and the style are not why i posted it
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