EPT2014 - 2015 Football Thread - Page 634
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:08 Kenpark wrote: It is kind of a small pool but Bayern dominating ManCity on their own turf with a bunch of subs being 1 man down is kinda telling. Maybe the PL teams suck because of no break in the winter, more games etc., but its pretty clear they are the worse teams compared to Barca, Real or Bayern. They lost that game??? | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Could be different in 5 years, was different 5 years ago, but currently the top 3 clubs in Europe are a league above the PL clubs. | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2108 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:37 Twisted wrote: I was trolling a little bit but I'm serious when I change that answer to top 2. Both Real and Barça would absolutely stomp the PL and I think it's very easy to say that in fact. Could be different in 5 years, was different 5 years ago, but currently the top 3 clubs in Europe are a league above the PL clubs. Barca and Real play maybe one 'hard' game in six weeks. If they played in the PL they would collapse around half-way through the season. Maybe one of them would get a top 4 finish. edit: Actually Real would get a CL place, Barca would have a lot of trouble. edit2: Spanish clubs can't play in the rain. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28906 Posts
I do think there's an element of truth to the "bottom PL teams are so good that the season as a whole becomes more exhausting and there's less of a chance to really summon extra strength and energy for the biggest games" idea, but it doesn't work as a complete explanation - the difference in ability showcased has been too large for that. Fact is, Real, Bayern and Barca are more stacked on talent than Chelsea or any other PL team is, and all three teams also have a more cohesive identity with more essential players who have been at the club for longer periods of time. Chelsea is building an identity, and at their best, they've had it, but this season as a whole, they just haven't been at the same level as the top three. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Hope they get better soon though but the whole footballing culture in the PL is sick. They need to focus a whole lot more on their academies/overall club philosophy (attacking play or not and standard formations throughout the club) instead of just buying 10 players and somehow hope 2 of them work out. Would help the national team as well. Right now English youngsters have almost zero chance. It's so bad nowadays that I think even clubs like Valencia and Sevilla would have a decent to good shot at getting second-fourth in the PL (Chelsea only team that's really stronger than them). We can never know for sure of course but I think it's a fair assessment in current football. PL teams might have stronger players in some teams but their strategy and stuff is all dreadful because of the new can of players/managers every year and no clear way of playing so players can never get into a nice comfort zone. Little example: when a team that plays as bad as Manchester United is two points behind second place in the league you know something is wrong. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On March 25 2015 06:15 Twisted wrote: Chelsea and other top teams in the PL having trouble against low level teams in the PL isn't just strength of the lower tier clubs, it also shows the weakness of the top teams. Chelsea was destroying teams 5-0 and stuff earlier in the season but now that they're kind of out of form they're having trouble against the Burnley's of the world. There are plenty of quality sides in La Liga.. maybe the bottom 5 in the PL are a little bit stronger than La Liga but I think the top 8 of La Liga are a whole lot stronger than the top 8 of PL currently. Barça and Real just make it look easy against the lower tier teams in La Liga but it would be the same in England, arguably bigger beatdowns actually because La Liga teams are better accustomed to playing against the Spanish giants. Hope they get better soon though but the whole footballing culture in the PL is sick. They need to focus a whole lot more on their academies/overall club philosophy (attacking play or not and standard formations throughout the club) instead of just buying 10 players and somehow hope 2 of them work out. Would help the national team as well. Right now English youngsters have almost zero chance. It's so bad nowadays that I think even clubs like Valencia and Sevilla would have a decent to good shot at getting second-fourth in the PL (Chelsea only team that's really stronger than them). We can never know for sure of course but I think it's a fair assessment in current football. PL teams might have stronger players in some teams but their strategy and stuff is all dreadful because of the new can of players/managers every year and no clear way of playing so players can never get into a nice comfort zone. Little example: when a team that plays as bad as Manchester United is two points behind second place in the league you know something is wrong. Burnley is a richer club than Ajax. There are 15 English clubs in the top 30 richest clubs in the world, you can't just say a club like Valencia who are outside top 40 could get second place. There are maybe 3-4 clubs from Spain that could be somewhat competitive in the PL, but they would need to go though a painful transition period to even get close to the European spots. English clubs get a lot of money just for being one place above where they are before a match, they scratch and kick to get from 13 to 12. And it brings a whole lot more money than winning some Eurocup match, while in Spain... | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 25 2015 03:25 zeo wrote: Lol, if winning a league where the bottom ranked teams are richer than Porto, Valencia ect. isn't an achievement then maybe its time people stopped paying attention to Mickey Mouse tier click-bait journalism that fails very hard at hiding very obvious envy at how one club can manage to piss all over so many haters. Hate all you want guys, we will still finish the season with two trophies. Write all the blogs you want. So the rebutall if I gather correctly iss... 1) PL teams are rich therefore they are better ? And hence the league is harder. Oh and the loling cup also. 2) Chelsea is a great team because they are the top of said league (which is kinda the same as point number one just wt more jargon) 3) John Brewin a reasonable well respected football writer is dismissively reduced to a Mickey Mouse level click baiter (on the basis of the above 2 points I am guessing ? So basically the above 3 arguments address none of the points raised and are simply dismissed. well just because. You know the obvious signs of tiring and injuries due to lack of squad rotation and all that stuff is click bait. I see. Chelsea sure is a fortunate club to have such profound thoughtful support. Definitely puts things into perspective. edit: Oh oh and wait the facile and ever available argument that "the only way to know is to make these other top clubs from other leagues play in our league." Nevermind the fact that these other top clubs from weak leagues take the piss out of the top clubs from England reasonably often these last few years (with the odd exception ofcourse). The never ending counter to which is "well our league is so hard we soften each other up for those European shit kickers who dont play hard games and just pussyfoot around warming up to English behemoths that are just to jaded to be. competitive." Its like those annoying songs that keep playing on the radio over and over again. Like listening Pitbull or something. Look anyone can argue and be dismissive using a one size fits all logic to suggest there really isnt a problem. But a meaningful discussion actually addresses the finer points. Just some advice. For example this. "There are maybe 3-4 clubs from Spain that could be somewhat competitive in the PL, but they would need to go though a painful transition period to even get close to the European spots. English clubs get a lot of money just for being one place above where they are before a match, they scratch and kick to get from 13 to 12. And it brings a whole lot more money than winning some Eurocup match, while in Spain..." Its really just a lengthy rehashing of the same "money" argument. You simply suggest that only 3-4 teams can compete in England because ... well money. Every argument that's ever made to counter any criticism of English teams is basically a summary of the above. Just the presentation varies along with anecdotal evidence that is more exception than the rule. Oh well. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Weirdly enough it does so from all that money going into it, after they successfully marketed it to asia in the 90's. No english talents are allowed to develop because why would a mid table team give time to a youngster, when they can splash some cash to a more mature foreign footballer? Just look at chelsea and their host of loaned players. Also, their players are really illiterate in various football aspects, culturally, tactically etc. Imagine if the wages for homegrown talents weren't so blown out of proportion, then we would see many english players being tested in other leagues, mby a promising defender could play in italy and develop his skill set there. Or mby a buzzing midfielder could find a place in villareal, battling it out with the greats of la liga week in week out, transforming into a much better player after a couple seasons. I can safely predict that as long as epl don't put their income in better use, the quality of the league and even more so of their national team, will keep dropping. Sure, every now and then due to all the money being spent a team will do something in europe, but as a whole the structure needs to be rebuilt bottom up. *and look at what randomly cropped up on reddit just now + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://164.177.157.12/img/blog/2015%2f3%2fNationalityv2.jpg) | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
Simeone extends his contract till 2020. whew nice. Manchester City are planning to replace Manuel Pellegrini with current Real Madrid boss Carlo Ancelotti in the summer, according to Sky Italia. Diego Simeone rejected a "huge" offer from Manchester City and several other European clubs and will sign a new contract with Atletico Madrid, according to Guillem Balague. Juventus general manager Giuseppe Marotta has insisted the Serie A champions have no need to sell Paul Pogba amid interest from Manchester United and Chelsea. Cologne defender Kevin Wimmer is set to join Premier League side Tottenham Hotspur in a transfer worth £4.3m, according to reports in the German media on Sunday. Manchester United scouted long-standing target Nicolas Otamendi on Friday night, according to Spanish newspaper Superdeporte. Manchester United have been handed a boost in their pursuit Mats Hummels with Borussia Dortmund now prepared to listen to offers, sources have told ESPN FC. Manchester United midfielder Michael Carrick has signed a one-year contract extension that will keep him at the club until the end of next season. Some news from Ligue 1 as Brazilian defender Maxwell has signed a one-year contract extension with Paris St-Germain. Here’s a bit more on that line that Southampton want to sign Real Madrid’s Martin Odegaard on loan next season. Arsenal are set to make a ‘significant’ offer to sign Bayer Leverkusen winger Karim Bellarabi, according to The Metro. Toby Alderweireld has said he would like join Jan Vertonghen at Tottenham. Juventus are winning the race to sign Manchester United and Arsenal target Paulo Dybala, according to Gazzetta dello Sport. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
Barcelona picnic. So if I want to be the best footballer in the world, all I need to eat is pizza and Sprite? I can do that. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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pretender58
Germany713 Posts
On March 25 2015 22:58 Pandemona wrote: Lol Ter Stegen with the nutella xD wtf Pique as well :p and sergi roberto with triple nutella :D | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On March 25 2015 23:25 Ferrose wrote: That's probably why Guardiola left. Messi wanted Sprite, not PEPsi. Hahaha worst joke ever xD | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
Best worst joke :p | ||
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Akka
France291 Posts
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